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Post by sevennovember on Dec 15, 2019 6:49:04 GMT
Her character is very one-dimensional. I'm looking at the previous BSA winners over the last decade or so and basically all of them played characters who go through some sort of internal transformation.
Jennifer Lopez's character in Hustlers screams BSA winner.
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 7:15:58 GMT
Jennifer Lopez's character in Hustlers screams BSA winner. But does it scream loud enough?
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Post by countjohn on Dec 15, 2019 8:12:29 GMT
Supporting actress has awarded some tiny parts in the past so you never know. Also don't really see the big deal about the performance. She was fine in a one note part. If she wins it will be a career achievement thing.
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Post by morton on Dec 15, 2019 10:22:39 GMT
Supporting actress has awarded some tiny parts in the past so you never know. Also don't really see the big deal about the performance. She was fine in a one note part. If she wins it will be a career achievement thing. I haven’t seen every performance that won for Supporting Actress, but I do think career achievement and other factors have played a part as much as internal transformation perhaps even more. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it seems in this category especially this decade it’s been a way to honor a respected veteran’s career and/or to honor one of the strongest nominees in the category with a few “it” girl wins. 2018 - King - Critics favorite/Respected veteran from television and film. 2017 - Janney - Scene stealing role/Respected veteran from television and film. 2016 - Davis - Strong film/Respected veteran from television and film. 2015 - Vikander - Critics favorite for Ex Machina/Banner year/“It” girl/Only nominee in the category from a Best Picture nominee didn’t get every precursor and Spotlight was a weak BP winner. 2014 - Arquette - Critics favorite/Strong film/Respected veteran from television and film. 2013 - Nyong’o - Critics favorite/Strong film/Lawrence had won the year before, and I believe would have been the youngest two time winner or one of the youngest two time winners. 2012 - Hathaway - Gets to sing the showstopper./America’s Sweetheart type of winner like Roberts, Witherspoon, and Bullock./Field and Hunt were previous winners. SLP was already winning actress and Weaver wasn’t given much to do. 2011 - Spencer - Scene stealing role/Respected television and film veteran. 2010 - Leo - Scene stealing role/Critics favorite/Respected television and film veteran. 2009 - Mo’Nique - Scene stealing role/Critics favorite/Not that Mo’Nique was losing, but it didn’t help that Up in the Air really deflated in phase II of voting. While Dern may not get to do too much, she fits the mold of winners this decade by being a respected television and film veteran that is also will likely be in the strongest film of the category or one of the strongest films. The trouble with Robbie is that even if she’s nominated for OUATIH instead of Bombshell, critics haven’t singled her out for it, and even with Bombshell she’s not been singled out yet. Johansson missed the Globes nomination, so whoever wins there gets an advantage over her. Of course Lopez seems like Dern’s biggest competition now, but Hustlers is unlikely to be nominated for anything else. To me Lopez feels very much like a Stallone, Keaton, Rourke, Murphy, or Reynolds, in that there’s too much baggage even if a few of them won more critics awards, and that the nomination is the reward. Demographics have changed within the Academy, but I think that NYFCC and a few other groups but especially them really dealt a big blow to Lopez’s chances. Before NYFCC the argument was that Lopez would win there and be more of a critics favorite than Dern who some felt did nothing, but instead the first few critics backed Dern. I haven’t checked the scorecard lately, but I would guess that it’s pretty close with Pugh maybe being in third now after picking up some recent wins. It doesn’t mean that Lopez can’t pull ahead in the end with the critics awards, but that was going to be one of her advantages over Dern yet so far that didn’t quite happen. ETA: I just checked the scorecard and right now Dern has 6 wins while Lopez and Pugh both have two.
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Post by sevennovember on Dec 15, 2019 10:57:07 GMT
JL has been a regular attendee/presenter at the Academy Awards though. She was sitting in the front row next to Meryl Streep the year Patricia Arquette won.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 15, 2019 14:35:23 GMT
I'm pretty convinced she will be the winner.
But I can't really understand why her upcoming win is so undeniable...
Very weak year in the category.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 15, 2019 16:20:13 GMT
Her character is very one-dimensional. I'm looking at the previous BSA winners over the last decade or so and basically all of them played characters who go through some sort of internal transformation. Jennifer Lopez's character in Hustlers screams BSA winner. J-Lo basically plays a variation of herself - another glam role. Very little acting involved.
Laura Dern fits the narrative of Supporting Actress winners like Regina King, Allison Janney, Viola Davis, Patricia Arquette, Melissa Leo, Octavia Spencer - that of the older, respected veteran actress.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 15, 2019 16:44:13 GMT
JL has been a regular attendee/presenter at the Academy Awards though. She was sitting in the front row next to Meryl Streep the year Patricia Arquette won. Laura Dern is on Board of Governors of the Academy - and was considered to lead the organization a few years ago.
Marriage Story will be a big Oscar contender. Whereas Hustlers will likely have only 1 nod.
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Post by quetee on Dec 15, 2019 17:40:31 GMT
You guys if jlo gets a nod ugh...she will be a nightmare. I just can't with that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 18:54:12 GMT
Even though it's one-dimensional and relatively small, the role is showy enough to get attention and Dern plays it with a complete lack of subtlety. That being said, I do agree that the recognition she is getting has more to do with her career than this particular performance, which is nowhere near her best work.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 15, 2019 19:11:43 GMT
In a stronger year, she'd have been lucky to get the nomination, let alone a win. I don't think any other actress could have done more with the role, though.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 15, 2019 19:33:04 GMT
I think that four of last years supporting actress nominees could have won this year. Very week field.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 15, 2019 20:02:51 GMT
Nowhere near to her finest hours, but I would say is a very fine performance and given the discussion around the movie, the diffrent sides and perspectives, she did a good job to be ambiguos enough ( ???? ) to read her the way you wanted.
The girl I saw it with said she trusted the character the moment she appeard on screen and even though she did some questionable choices it was worth the price. On the other hand, I saw it differently, the moment she gave Scarjo cookies and took off her pumps to made her feel at home, it was the warning sign of someone selling you their brand, and her big speech, which played well in the audience, even a couple of claps, to me it was the cherry op top to comfirm that she's only playing a character and she's there just for the money. That's why she doesn't come off as human. But if we're talking about about selling a brand and draw a line between friendship and business, Jlo sweeps the floor with Dern.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Dec 15, 2019 20:03:02 GMT
To me she seems exactly like a winner.
Considered overdue...tick Weak field in the limited vision of awards circles...tick A showy moment for the clip...tick
I said it in my review of the film on its thread, but it would be a shame if this is the performance an actress of the level of Laura Dern wins for, but I'm over it. It's happening.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 15, 2019 20:57:14 GMT
Agreeing with OP after watching the movie. Also ScarJo didn't seem as strong as I'd assumed. She didn't move me and Driver did only in his big scenes. Both left me a bit cold.
I feel like ScarJo could upset in BSA if she's double-nommed whhile Renee takes Actress.
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Post by sevennovember on Dec 16, 2019 2:56:40 GMT
She'll win becuz of her overdueness and the popularity of her iconic performance in Big Little Lies. And no one cares about Supporting Actress anyway, It's always won either by hot newcomers or old talented overdue hags. Her S1 performance was great - she was the epitome of that sort of woman whose social skills are very good yet horrible at the same time. In S2 she was just a hammy caricature of who she was in S1. In her defense, the writing was nowhere near as good as it was in the first season.
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Post by morton on Dec 16, 2019 20:22:34 GMT
Dern also tops Indiewire's Poll for Best Supporting Actress. I definitely wouldn't have picked her for that even though I want her to win the Oscar out of those that have a realistic chance to win, so I think it shows that she does have a lot of support even though she's not given a whole lot to do.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 16, 2019 20:36:56 GMT
If Marriage Story does well in nominations like getting in at Directing and Editing then Dern will win. If Hustlers gets surprise nominations like Picture or Screenplay then she has a big chance. If both underperform and Bombshell does really well then Robbie may be the beneficiary.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 26, 2019 23:39:35 GMT
Agree. It's a nothing role but a very weak year. Personally, I still have Lopez, Robbie, and Scar Jo ahead of her.
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Post by morton on Dec 27, 2019 19:32:11 GMT
After seeing Little Women, I like her much more there; although, I'm one of the few it seems that likes her in Marriage Story here and would be okay with her winning, just because I don't think Lopez did all that much either aside from her introduction and no one else has a chance to win, and it wouldn't be the worst recent win in this category.
I prefer Pugh more in Little Women, but Dern is still great and certainly better than Sarandon who was nominated for the same role, imo. I would prefer that Dern were nominated for LW instead of MS, but either way I think that her performance in LW will help her clinch her victory for MS especially if LW is a late hitter like I think it will be after seeing it. After the Globes and SAG and the other guilds, I did worry, but there's so many elements that I think BAFTA and AMPAS will go for. Not sure what happened during its guild run, but for SAG, I think Bombshell being about the television industry probably helped it with the AFTRA voters, similar to how The Morning Show also did better than expected. It was also probably also too much to ask SAG to nominate Parasite and not nominate Jojo Rabbit and Bombshell, so I'm glad they at least made some good decisions.
The Globes are the Globes, although I'm still mad that I guess they didn't deem Florence Pugh a big enough star yet compared to Kathy Bates or Annette Bening to nominate when Pugh was much better than both imo.
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Post by ibbi on Dec 27, 2019 20:03:11 GMT
I liked her much more in Little Women. Her scene sitting by the bed with Ronan and then the line telling her husband he isn't an immigrant. Those alone were better than anything she did in Baumbach's movie.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 27, 2019 20:48:11 GMT
Dern is still great and certainly better than Sarandon who was nominated for the same role, imo. Have to correct; Sarandon was nominated for "The Client" at that year (for which she also won a BAFTA). No one other than Winona have made it from the cast and I believe even she was bit of a surprise, considering rather weak precursor run.
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Post by morton on Dec 27, 2019 21:06:38 GMT
Dern is still great and certainly better than Sarandon who was nominated for the same role, imo. Have to correct; Sarandon was nominated for "The Client" at that year (for which she also won a BAFTA). No one other than Winona have made it from the cast and I believe even she was bit of a surprise, considering rather weak precursor run. Whoops sorry. I just looked it up recently too on IMDB, and knew that, lol. Oh well for some reason I thought she was because they nominated her for everything in the 90s, it seemed, until she finally won.
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Post by stabcaesar on Dec 28, 2019 5:31:45 GMT
Having seen Marriage Story recently, Laura Dern's character is exactly like a BSA winner.
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