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Post by countjohn on Aug 29, 2018 21:56:52 GMT
Damn, that looks good. My expectations for this were tempered by the history of other people editing Welles' films.
Never thought I'd see "The Mind That Brought You Citizen Kane" in a movie trailer. That kind of has more oomph than the "Director of Big Blockbuster III" stuff you see a lot of the time.
Predictably the response on here seems to be people saying it looks great and saying it will suck. Classic Welles polarization. Same deal as with nearly all of Kubrick's movies initially.
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Post by stephen on Aug 29, 2018 22:03:17 GMT
Here's my question: can we really, in good conscience, call it a true Orson Welles film? He never got the chance to do a final pass on it. It's a film that was shot and created by one person, but someone else has taken the footage long after his death and recut it. It's kind of tantamount to when they release manuscripts from deceased writers that they find in their trunks or attics, without having gone through the editing process. Such a naked and raw version, without having gone under the knife by the original creative, is almost obscene, like you're seeing how the bratwurst is made rather than sitting down to eat it as intended.
Just something I thought I'd bring up, and I wonder how others feel on it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 29, 2018 22:03:22 GMT
Classic Welles polarization. Same deal as with nearly all of Kubrick's movies initially. This doesn't look like a Welles film though. It feels much more like contemporary Godard.
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Post by Viced on Aug 29, 2018 22:12:33 GMT
Random... but looking closer at this picture... how many people here do we know? - Tarantino (second row - far right) - Bogdanovich (far right in the back) - Crispin Glover in the front row? - Is that Alexander Payne two rows behind him? - Rian Johnson two seats to maybe-Payne's right. - Danny Huston two seats to Johnson's right. - Almost looks like PTA behind maybe-Payne... - Oliver Stone near-ish to Bogdanovich?
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 29, 2018 22:39:33 GMT
I believe that's Larry Karaszewski (writer of Ed Wood) in the mid second row. And next to Danny Huston is his nephew Jack Huston!
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Aug 29, 2018 22:40:31 GMT
Random... but looking closer at this picture... how many people here do we know? - Tarantino (second row - far right) - Bogdanovich (far right in the back) - Crispin Glover in the front row? - Is that Alexander Payne two rows behind him? - Rian Johnson two seats to maybe-Payne's right. - Danny Huston two seats to Johnson's right. - Almost looks like PTA behind maybe-Payne... - Oliver Stone near-ish to Bogdanovich? - Peter Jason two seats to PTA's left (that is indeed PTA) - That's definitely Crispin Glover - Who's that guy at Tarantino's right?
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Post by quetee on Aug 29, 2018 22:49:04 GMT
Random... but looking closer at this picture... how many people here do we know? - Tarantino (second row - far right) - Bogdanovich (far right in the back) - Crispin Glover in the front row? - Is that Alexander Payne two rows behind him? - Rian Johnson two seats to maybe-Payne's right. - Danny Huston two seats to Johnson's right. - Almost looks like PTA behind maybe-Payne... - Oliver Stone near-ish to Bogdanovich? correct. Forgot p.the Anderson behind Payne..guy with hand under chin.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 29, 2018 22:56:40 GMT
Here's my question: can we really, in good conscience, call it a true Orson Welles film? He never got the chance to do a final pass on it. It's a film that was shot and created by one person, but someone else has taken the footage long after his death and recut it. I think it's definitely a true Welles film - he wrote and filmed it and even edited 40 minutes himself and now everybody (most of them old collaborators who knew him) honoring and serving his vision. To say it isn't would mean you'd have to say Magnificent Ambersons isn't his film either (RKO totally betrayed Welles but I'd say 90% of the film is still pure Welles and that's enough) - getting into that then opens up a whole new reconsideration of the old studio era and most the contract filmmakers who never touched their films in post. Back to TOSOTW I'm also fairly sure there are a lot of letters and written instructions by Welles explaining exactly how he'd like the film to be put together..... We'll get more inside info from the doc Netflix is puttin out Nov 2 too - !
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 29, 2018 23:23:12 GMT
I'm gonna need a Netflix subscription, aren't I.... Just ignore that bit about the punisher.
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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 29, 2018 23:40:51 GMT
Here's my question: can we really, in good conscience, call it a true Orson Welles film? He never got the chance to do a final pass on it. It's a film that was shot and created by one person, but someone else has taken the footage long after his death and recut it. It's kind of tantamount to when they release manuscripts from deceased writers that they find in their trunks or attics, without having gone through the editing process. Such a naked and raw version, without having gone under the knife by the original creative, is almost obscene, like you're seeing how the bratwurst is made rather than sitting down to eat it as intended. Just something I thought I'd bring up, and I wonder how others feel on it. I'd say it is perhaps a bit more akin to Mozart's Requiem. In that Welles evidently intended to finish the film but it was a series of unfortunate events that prevented that. It wasn't a product that was never intended to see the light of day like an abandoned manuscript. Welles left extensive notes on how to finish the film, and one of the essential figures in the completion of the film was a professional collaborator/personal friend in Peter Bogdanovich, much like Franz Xaver Süssmayr with the Requiem. The idea being one of passion rather than of a cheap cash grab by someone lucky enough to find something in their closet. Obviously not ideal circumstances, but hey do you consider the superior 1998 cut of "Touch of Evil" an "Orson Welles's film"?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 30, 2018 12:14:14 GMT
To me it looks like or at least from the trailer feels like Wenders The State Of Things which of course it probably isn't but could make an interesting double feature.
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Post by Pavan on Sept 1, 2018 18:56:53 GMT
I didn't know John Huston was in this! Regardless of the output, i think some of us are really lucky that we'll be watching an Orson Welles picture on silver screen in this age.
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 27, 2018 17:19:21 GMT
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