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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 9, 2020 17:33:33 GMT
And, uh ... I think that's everyone! Genuinely such a boring performance that I feel nothing for one way or the other. And I feel bad saying that because I feel that Johansson's acting talents are often unfairly maligned in general and I like that other people are finding something special in this performance, but ... I didn't. She's just there, and it certainly doesn't help that she has an absolute joke of a character to work with.
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Post by sg90 on Feb 9, 2020 17:36:19 GMT
I didn't find it remotely funny and it was annoying. I don't get why it's Best Picture worthy.. Meh.
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Post by notacrook on Feb 9, 2020 17:54:39 GMT
Genuinely such a boring performance that I feel nothing for one way or the other. And I feel bad saying that because I feel that Johansson's acting talents are often unfairly maligned in general and I like that other people are finding something special in this performance, but ... I didn't. She's just there, and it certainly doesn't help that she has an absolute joke of a character to work with. Fair enough. I thought she was just lovely in that film, giving the character a vibrant warmth and strong determination that wasn't quite there in the script. Her mannerisms, particularly in the dinner table scene, were also pretty damn funny. She was easily the best part of the film in my opinion, and it's one truly deserved nomination (I liked it overall well enough, but it was nowhere near as smart or funny as it seemed to think it was).
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 9, 2020 18:46:38 GMT
I can’t wait for this to win adapted screenplay...strictly for the reactions.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 9, 2021 1:10:16 GMT
Juvenile, reductionist crap. It's okay to make fun of Nazis, but good lord, don't go about actually trying to question their beliefs or refute them in any way, you may lose some of your potential audience!
It is all so damn safe, taking the most childish potshots at NAZIS because if you tack any unfunny gag onto a Nazi, it is magically funny! Because we all hate Nazis, so we all laugh! Ha ha! Ha.
Even the friendship between the core characters doesn't actually teach Jojo one thing about Jews. He just gets a hard on for the girl (I can't even remember her name and I finished this half an hour ago) and that changes his whole outlook. You could make a genuinely funny comedy about a hateful kid learning about his misconceptions through interactions with the girl in the walls, but Jojo never learns anything. Heavens forbid that he change in any meaningful way, because that would mean that we have to actually address real issues.
Fuck, I hate this movie. I did like Sam Rockwell, as there are a lot of hints about his past in the army and his self-loathing that is pretty cool. I don't like that they used the reductionist "he's gay, so he's not a real Nazi, it's okay to like him" shit, but the stuff about him being disillusioned after fighting at the front is pretty cool and Waititi completely ignores it because he's a child.
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Post by dadsburgers on Mar 11, 2021 19:33:29 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults.
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Post by Archie on Mar 11, 2021 19:51:27 GMT
Quietly judging all the people who think Scarjo is good in this. Worst nominated performance of the decade.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 11, 2021 20:34:34 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults. I've never bought that argument, really. Children can enjoy stories that don't speak down to them, and children can handle complex themes without having them watered down. And make no mistake, Jojo Rabbit is watered down. The only conversations it will start is "Nazis sure are bad." Which has two psychological results. First result is that it will make everybody pat themselves on the back for not being a Nazi, and not question their own beliefs that align with those of the Nazis. Second result is that it enforces an "Us vs. Them" mentality. You are told that somebody is a right-wing extremist, and you are enforced to believe that this is bad (extremism is bad, but bear with me). People who hold to this will not engage in conversation with the "Nazi," they will not listen to the viewpoints of the "Nazi," and will seek to tear down and destroy the "Nazi" because they are told that the opposite viewpoint is evil, and they must remain ideologically pure. Juvenile humor can be a lot of fun and can work in thematically complex narratives. Jojo Rabbit is not fun, and has a reductive narrative that is nothing more than "Nazis are bad."
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Post by stephen on Mar 11, 2021 20:40:30 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults. I still love it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 11, 2021 21:23:51 GMT
Quietly judging all the people who think Scarjo is good in this. Worst nominated performance of the decade. She was better than Dern.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 11, 2021 22:51:32 GMT
Quietly judging all the people who think Scarjo is good in this. Worst nominated performance of the decade. She was better than Dern. Oh, 100%.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 11, 2021 22:52:22 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults. I still really like it.
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Post by dazed on Mar 11, 2021 23:45:42 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults. One of the best movies of 2019.
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Post by dadsburgers on Mar 12, 2021 0:45:57 GMT
Any positive takes here on Jojo Rabbit, one year later? I definitely hear the criticisms, but at the same time I do think the target audience is an important factor here. The satire and commentary are fairly simple and straightforward, but in doing so it has started important conversations for younger audiences, at whom the juvenile humor appeals to as well. I can see still not liking the movie and finding it problematic, but some of the criticism seems to come from the fact that the movie happens to be geared towards younger audiences more than just for adults. I've never bought that argument, really. Children can enjoy stories that don't speak down to them, and children can handle complex themes without having them watered down. And make no mistake, Jojo Rabbit is watered down. The only conversations it will start is "Nazis sure are bad." Which has two psychological results. First result is that it will make everybody pat themselves on the back for not being a Nazi, and not question their own beliefs that align with those of the Nazis. Second result is that it enforces an "Us vs. Them" mentality. You are told that somebody is a right-wing extremist, and you are enforced to believe that this is bad (extremism is bad, but bear with me). People who hold to this will not engage in conversation with the "Nazi," they will not listen to the viewpoints of the "Nazi," and will seek to tear down and destroy the "Nazi" because they are told that the opposite viewpoint is evil, and they must remain ideologically pure. Juvenile humor can be a lot of fun and can work in thematically complex narratives. Jojo Rabbit is not fun, and has a reductive narrative that is nothing more than "Nazis are bad." Interesting, for me it was sort of eye-opening that anyone can buy into it, even your family, even yourself, and that something can be done about it. If anything, my criticism would be that it's almost too forgiving.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2021 1:36:37 GMT
Still can't believe this thing won Adapted Screenplay over Little Women and The Irishman only for quota reasons.
Sometimes i feel like that legendary standing ovation to Scorsese was a response from the crowd as if to say "Fuck you, Academy for giving this award to Jojo Rabbit instead of Scorsese".
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 12, 2021 3:00:25 GMT
Still can't believe this thing won Adapted Screenplay over Little Women and The Irishman only for quota reasons. Sometimes i feel like that legendary standing ovation to Scorsese was a response from the crowd as if to say "Fuck you, Academy for giving this award to Jojo Rabbit instead of Scorsese". ...What quota reasons??? If they were trying to fill a quota, they would have gone with Little Women.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 12, 2021 3:30:46 GMT
I've never bought that argument, really. Children can enjoy stories that don't speak down to them, and children can handle complex themes without having them watered down. And make no mistake, Jojo Rabbit is watered down. The only conversations it will start is "Nazis sure are bad." Which has two psychological results. First result is that it will make everybody pat themselves on the back for not being a Nazi, and not question their own beliefs that align with those of the Nazis. Second result is that it enforces an "Us vs. Them" mentality. You are told that somebody is a right-wing extremist, and you are enforced to believe that this is bad (extremism is bad, but bear with me). People who hold to this will not engage in conversation with the "Nazi," they will not listen to the viewpoints of the "Nazi," and will seek to tear down and destroy the "Nazi" because they are told that the opposite viewpoint is evil, and they must remain ideologically pure. Juvenile humor can be a lot of fun and can work in thematically complex narratives. Jojo Rabbit is not fun, and has a reductive narrative that is nothing more than "Nazis are bad." Interesting, for me it was sort of eye-opening that anyone can buy into it, even your family, even yourself, and that something can be done about it. If anything, my criticism would be that it's almost too forgiving. Anyone can buy into it isn't really what the movie says, to my eyes. The movie says that stupid people played by Rebel Wilson and even stupider ten year old boys can buy into it. The very idea that anybody believes in Nazism at all is laughed at, that it is so absurd that it is hardly possible. I'm gonna open up a comparison to one of my favorite books, The Westing Game by Ellen Raskin. Newbery winning children's novel, very well regarded. That has a very complex mystery plot that trusts its audience to be able to follow some pretty complex twists and crazy theories from its many hilariously wacky detectives. But it is also complex thematically, dealing with racism, classism, ableism, emotional abuse, even an attempted suicide (the last is implied, but never outright stated). It tackles these ideas by first presenting the characters as stereotypes - the Chinese man insists that his son STUDY STUDY STUDY, the racist white woman is just the worst person imaginable, etc. It then takes these stereotypes and your initial impressions of the characters, and gives you insight into their lives. It tries to make you understand that every one of these people is different than what you can see on the surface, and that there are negative and positive traits to everyone. It tries to make you empathize with people that you normally wouldn't - either because they're terrible people, or because you're a young child and you normally wouldn't read a book in which you're asked to understand the motivations of a union organizer or a suicidal person. It is a book that I would absolutely recommend to any eight year old with the reading skills to process it, as it asks you to understand people that you normally wouldn't think about. I can only say the opposite for Jojo Rabbit, which makes it quite clear that the only reason Nazism exists is because people are either stupid (Rebel Wilson) or naive and misinformed (Jojo) and leaves it at that, at a level of simple mockery.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2021 15:12:49 GMT
Still can't believe this thing won Adapted Screenplay over Little Women and The Irishman only for quota reasons. Sometimes i feel like that legendary standing ovation to Scorsese was a response from the crowd as if to say "Fuck you, Academy for giving this award to Jojo Rabbit instead of Scorsese". ...What quota reasons??? If they were trying to fill a quota, they would have gone with Little Women. By quota reasons, i mean he was the first indigenous director ever to win an Oscar, that was his narrative during awards season. Anyway, my point still stands, Zaillian or Gerwig should have won, and even the audience knew it.
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Post by stephen on Mar 12, 2021 15:13:54 GMT
...What quota reasons??? If they were trying to fill a quota, they would have gone with Little Women. By quota reasons, i mean he was the first indigenous director ever to win an Oscar, that was his narrative during awards season. Anyway, my point still stands, Zaillian or Gerwig should have won, and even the audience knew it. If the audience knew it, the audience would've voted for them. Jojo Rabbit was well-liked by audiences. People liked it. There's no mystery. There's no grand conspiracy. And to say that Waititi only won to fulfill a "quota" is incredibly narrow-minded.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2021 18:02:05 GMT
No, everyone knew Jojo's screenplay was absolutely inferior to Little Women and The Irishman.
Waititi is apparently popular and well connected with the industry folks, and the whole "indigenous" narrative worked.
It was totally a popularity contest, none based on actual merit. That's all i'm going to say about it.
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Post by stephen on Mar 12, 2021 18:05:53 GMT
It was totally a popularity contest Welcome to the Oscars. Also, I much preferred Jojo Rabbit's screenplay to either of those listed, and it has nothing to do with the "indigenous" narrative. Your argument is a crock of shit.
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Post by LaraQ on Mar 12, 2021 18:06:02 GMT
No, everyone knew Jojo's screenplay was absolutely inferior to Little Women and The Irishman. Waititi is apparently popular and well connected with the industry folks, and the whole "indigenous" narrative worked. It was totally a popularity contest, none based on actual merit.That's all i'm going to say about it. I've always believed that's why he won.People in the industry seem to love Taika and I think they wanted to reward him.No way he would've won on merit.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 12, 2021 18:10:29 GMT
No, everyone knew Jojo's screenplay was absolutely inferior to Little Women and The Irishman. Waititi is apparently popular and well connected with the industry folks, and the whole "indigenous" narrative worked. It was totally a popularity contest, none based on actual merit. That's all i'm going to say about it. Scorsese got a standing O because he's one of the most legendary filmmakers in the industry. Waititi is indeed popular and campaigned well, but I'd venture to guess the branding of Jojo Rabbit as an "anti-hate satire" in the middle of the Trump administration and the originality of its premise (which is always advantageous in screenplay categories, even Adapted) did much more to put it over the line than Waititi being indigenous. Especially since the movie won WGA and BAFTA, both industry awards with smaller membership and have had no historical concerns or considerations for "quotas" (especially in BAFTA's case).
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Post by stephen on Mar 12, 2021 18:14:21 GMT
No, everyone knew Jojo's screenplay was absolutely inferior to Little Women and The Irishman. Waititi is apparently popular and well connected with the industry folks, and the whole "indigenous" narrative worked. It was totally a popularity contest, none based on actual merit. That's all i'm going to say about it. Scorsese got a standing O because he's one of the most legendary filmmakers in the industry. Waititi is indeed popular and campaigned well, but I'd venture to guess the branding of Jojo Rabbit as an "anti-hate satire" in the middle of the Trump administration and the originality of its premise (which is always advantageous in screenplay categories, even Adapted) did much more to put it over the line than Waititi being indigenous. Especially since the movie won WGA and BAFTA, both industry awards with smaller membership and have had no historical concerns or considerations for "quotas" (especially in BAFTA's case). Just people getting pressed about the fact that a crowdpleaser won over the "cool" choice of a Scorsese crime epic or a Greta Gerwig adaptation.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2021 18:29:54 GMT
No, everyone knew Jojo's screenplay was absolutely inferior to Little Women and The Irishman. Waititi is apparently popular and well connected with the industry folks, and the whole "indigenous" narrative worked. It was totally a popularity contest, none based on actual merit. That's all i'm going to say about it. Yeah...........I've said this a lot in my 10 million posts on the brilliance of The Irishman .......but that film is the most Scorsese has depended on the screenplay since Taxi Driver - usually scripts for him are fluid things where he can go off script for his artistic flourishes. In that film every artistic flourish or choice is because of that script that he never strays far from. That script should be taught in screenplay classes - it juggles personal and political over a dazzling dense and deep canvas and never becomes confusing or like a history lesson - he's just a great writer - one of our finest and in tradition of the great modern writers ( Schrader, Towne, Mamet) - he evokes that school of written craft more than almost anyone in American film. As for Jojo - um, I'm not going to trash it again but I could - but screenplay winner is always awarded to Shitsville writing nowadays - Spotlight, Blackkklansman, Get Out .....all of those screenplays are written in broken crayons compared to Zailllian's work imo.
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