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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 2:13:26 GMT
Sure to be one of the most polarizing films of the year - Waititi's audaciously irreverent satire certainly does feel like a Nazi comedy directed by Wes Anderson, but only if Anderson's kooky style were significantly amplified... I can certainly understand people taking issues with it (for instance, having just visited Germany last month, I can't imagine how it will be received there...), but I personally found it very funny. It walks a real tonal tightrope - there are moments of shocking sadness peppered throughout - but I think it succeeds, aided by very strong performances (even bit players are worthy of mention here, truly).
As of now, in the major categories, I'm expecting double Supporting Actress nominations for Johansson and McKenzie, and probably Picture, Director, and Adapted Screenplay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 15:51:39 GMT
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Post by bob-coppola on Oct 13, 2019 16:11:21 GMT
Ew So nice that you liked Jojo Rabbit. It's one my most anticipated movies this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 16:20:40 GMT
bob-coppola - I can't wait for you all to see this and Marriage Story. Johansson hasn't been this good since Lost in Translation and Girl with a Pearl Earring. Why is it that her best work always comes in pairs?
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Post by idioticbunny on Oct 13, 2019 16:35:12 GMT
Caught this a few days ago with a Q+A with Taika, Roman Griffin Davis, & Thomasin McKenzie. Because of Taika, it was maybe the funniest Q+A I've ever been to, was nearly in tears, such a hilarious man. But when he got serious and they opened up questions to the kids, it was really insightful (particularly Thomasin McKenzie who has wisdom beyond her years and I can see her really becoming the real thing in terms of acting as her career furthers).
As for the film, I liked it well enough. It was funny without ever going over-the-top and it handled the drama well without being overly sentimental. I do agree that Johansson is actually good here, which surprised me considering I felt she and Rockwell were only cast for that star factor. But both worked well in their respective roles (even if I think casting actual German actors may have made a world of difference, but maybe that was the point with Taika's vision was to have Americans do silly accents).
Only wish it delved into the drama a bit more, it seemed to play it almost too safe. I'm sure it was difficult in this era to toe that line between sympathy for your characters and no sympathy for their actions (I mean look what happened with Joker), but I still felt like at least with the drama aspect it could have gone further - especially with McKenzie's character's background.
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Post by Film Socialism on Oct 13, 2019 17:20:35 GMT
would rather be waterboarded tbh
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Post by The-Havok on Oct 13, 2019 18:22:32 GMT
would rather be waterboarded tbh Based.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 13, 2019 18:36:07 GMT
would rather be waterboarded tbh
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 13, 2019 19:18:53 GMT
Nice to hear something positive. Not sure which way I'll swing on this but I'm fascinated to find out.
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Post by LaraQ on Oct 13, 2019 19:52:07 GMT
Nice to hear something positive. Not sure which way I'll swing on this but I'm fascinated to find out.Same.I loved the script,hated the trailer.I literally have no idea if I'm going to like this or not.
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 15, 2019 14:26:09 GMT
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Post by morton on Nov 3, 2019 19:10:17 GMT
After first watching it on Friday, I thought that it was a 7/10. I enjoyed parts of it, but I felt that there were problems. After thinking about it for a few days, now I'm hovering between 5/10 or 6/10. Even though I enjoyed it more than Green Book, it's just so reminiscent of that film in certain ways that I feel all stabby that this could win Best Picture just like that one did. It wouldn't be the worst BP winner, but I'm just very afraid of what kind of trend that GB might have started. I think they'll go a completely different way this year, but you never know I guess. Like I said there were things I enjoyed though like I thought Scarlett Johansson and Sam Rockwell really elevated the script, and they were my favorite parts of it. I could see Johansson perhaps being Lange'd in winning Supporting Actress for this instead of Actress for Marriage Story. I would still rank Johansson below Lopez who I thought was good but not Oscar worthy. I'd rather Lopez win though if Dern doesn't just because I think it'd be awkward for the rest of the awards season if Dern was the big favorite, and then ended up losing everywhere to her costar. Rockwell doesn't really get to do much except be comic relief until two scenes at the end, so I'm not sure if that will be enough for him to be nominated this year. I guess it depends on how strong Richard Jewell is too. I hope he's not because until his two moments I thought he was bordering on offensive but that wasn't his fault, but at least I wouldn't dislike a nomination for him this year as much as I did last year. I guess Stephen Merchant was another bright spot, but beyond that I found the acting pretty uneven. Don't want to criticize a child, so I'll just say Roman Griffin Davis was mostly good but had a few rough spots. Then there was Thomasin McKenzie and Taika Waititi. All I can say is yikes. At least McKenzie was much better in the second half, as the film was imo, and I don't blame her because I think a lot of the fault is the script. I love Waititi, but he should have just cut imaginary Hitler out altogether because it didn't work for me at all. In fact, I think the whole film would have been much better if it had been more dramatic. Idioticbunny is right in that they should have delved into that more. While my crowd ate up the comedy, and I admit I laughed too, the jokes are pretty stale. Things like the "Heil Hitler" scene or the German Shepherds scene are all its that were old when The Last Supper took place. I get that everything has been done before, but I definitely expected more after hearing what a crowd pleaser it was. Unfortunately after Green Book won over The Favourite in Screenplay, I could see this also winning over much better screenplays this year too because of the crowdpleasing element. At this point, I think I'd even take Anthony McCarten winning for The Two Popes over this just because how much I felt like the script was the worst part. It's just a mess. I don't think it really goes beyond "Nazis are bad", and except for the mom I guess, none of the characters have much of an arc especially the main relationship between Jojo and Elsa. I felt sort of gross thinking about it later because it feels like if Elsa were a teenage boy that Jojo would have been okay with letting Elsa die. Plus, after the war is over , it's even worse.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 7, 2019 20:33:38 GMT
(5.5-6/10) This film confuses pulling the rug out from under you with plot development and narrative twists. It also confuses script trickery with actual writing, so naturally I expect this to win the Oscar (that's a joke but that's what the script does too - see what I did there?). Not only is the acting also uneven, but the casting is uneven too - a million actors could have played the Rockwell role for example - I kept wondering why cast him? I like Thomasin McKenzie here and she carries a heavy burden that she illogically and almost insultingly can have her shrug off in this screenplay. There is a gross scene - that typifies the film where Stephen Merchant asks for McKenzie's papers that undercuts all the tension inherent in that situation by mocking the behavior of Merchant and the Nazis. It's that off-base and it's that off-base specifically with what satire really is - in this scene the Nazis overtly thank McKenzie twice - what is to fear, people who would kill her with politeness? My crowd seemed to love it btw.......
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Post by jakob on Nov 9, 2019 4:58:38 GMT
I loved this movie so much. I get that it is sentimental, quirky, twee, tonally tricky, and the comedy can be polarizing for people, but this movie hit me like a freight train of emotions. I was sobbing throughout the entire last third of this film and it may very well deliver the single hardest gut drop in any movie this year. I would be THRILLED for this movie to win Best Picture. I know people are making Green Book comparisons, but I think that this is actually the anti-Green Book. I don't think it plays it nearly as safe as GB, but even when it appears "safe" I think that only works in favor of its storytelling because of the youth perspective. GB didn't impress me nearly enough but this was wildly the opposite. I was blown away. It's a film that just teaches such a strong message in such a powerful way but it also reminded me of early Wes Anderson in its pure poignancy and unbelievably strong character work. I thought the script was as perfectly constructed and beautifully tight as it could possibly be. My favorite film of the year.
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Post by stephen on Nov 10, 2019 14:48:53 GMT
Yeah, I thought this was wonderful.
I caught this in a packed theater (which shocked me, to be honest; I didn't think so many people would be flocking to see a satirical comedy set in Nazi Germany, but word of mouth must be insane) and I was utterly enchanted by it. Roman Griffin Davis anchored the hell out of this movie, and he was backstopped by a rather excellent ensemble that, frankly, was turning in a lot of career-best work. Johansson and McKenzie were magnificent and rightly deserve supporting nominations this year, Rockwell was a fun delight, and Alfie Allen was stealing every scene he was in with some excellent physicality even if he didn't have a whole lot of dialogue (seriously, I'd love to see a movie about him and Rockwell's relationship during this time). The humor landed 99% of the time with me, the dramatic moments had a lot of heft, and I was absolutely stunned at how Waititi was able to navigate between the two with alacrity where others who attempted such drastic tonal shifts fell on their faces.
This could win Best Picture. And I'd be fine with it.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Nov 12, 2019 1:08:22 GMT
Honestly surprised by the pedestrian reviews. It's fantastic and it feels like a film that could win Best Picture. Seamless blend of humor and drama. Both hit hard. My #3 of the year.
MVP is Roman Griffin Davis in his 1st movie.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 12, 2019 6:08:13 GMT
Quite a likable film, though I can't help but feel like it could have been much more. I'm not even sure it could really be called a satire, since satire implies a deeper purpose and urgency. This is more just a comedy about Nazis. And don't get me wrong, it's really funny, but the comedy never goes beyond the surface. It never gets into the "why" of the Nazis and with the current state of things, there's plenty worth satirizing. The cast is all around great though, especially McKenzie and Johansson, and really bring the most out of the film.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Nov 13, 2019 1:58:24 GMT
It was really charming. Not BP worthy, but wouldn’t be too bothered if it won.
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Post by AKenjiB on Nov 13, 2019 7:15:43 GMT
I really enjoyed this! Taika Waititi is now 5 for 5 in my book (I still have to see Eagle vs. Shark). The acting was really strong and I’m happy Taika Waititi’s Hitler wasn’t milked from beginning to end for easy jokes. He appeared when he needed to and he worked well in showing Jojo’s character development. Roman Griffin Davis is great as the lead which is a relief since he’s in nearly every scene and a weak lead child performance could’ve derailed everything. I also thought the tonal shifts were handled well.
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Post by clunkybob2 on Nov 13, 2019 11:05:42 GMT
Anti-Nazi propaganda
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 18, 2019 17:00:11 GMT
Movie was meh with a good cast. Yorki is everything.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Nov 28, 2019 7:25:59 GMT
Five minutes in and I knew I was going to hate it. Painfully unfunny (I think I chuckled once), grating characters, and zero control of tone whatsoever. Under 2 hours but felt like an eternity... can't remember the last time I wanted a movie to end this badly tbh. Easily my least favorite film I've seen this year.
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 28, 2019 12:22:18 GMT
Five minutes in and I knew I was going to hate it. Painfully unfunny (I think I chuckled once), grating characters, and zero control of tone whatsoever. Under 2 hours but felt like an eternity... can't remember the last time I wanted a movie to end this badly tbh. Easily my least favorite film I've seen this year. Same.I've loved everything Taika has done so far but I loathed this.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 25, 2019 23:49:38 GMT
The movie was perfectly fine and I really don't understand why the heck there was so much conversation about it being offensive or tasteless. From the get-go it establishes itself as taking place in a heightened version of reality, like in a world of a comic strip, and moreover the story is pretty much entirely told from a child's point of view. Now, whether one goes along with that perspective will be anyone's choice but as someone who's pretty open to all sorts of tones and approaches to movies I found myself liking what Waititi did here. Sure, a lot of the visual choices reek of Wes Anderson but in a lite sort of way, and despite a couple of strong emotional beats the cumulative effect of the film ends up being a bit slight with the very ending in particular failing to reach its supposed emotional goal. Yet I always kept in mind that this was a child's POV so I guess that lightness and lack of real depth is appropriate. Of course that doesn't make the movie great but it doesn't make it bad either. Thomasin McKenzie gives the most powerful performance in the piece - in a movie where pretty much every actor is required to play the caricature aspect up, McKenzie is given the character who feels the most genuine and her acting follows suit. It's not a bombastic, sentimental turn - McKenzie is rather subdued yet highly moving. Roman Griffin Davis is also quite remarkable (and much better at his job than his dad). I found the death scene to be unexpectedly powerful and very well-handled by Waititi and I kinda wish it had more of an impact on the rest of the film. I mean, in a way it does because it definitely becomes less humorous and more dramatic from that point on but I do feel that Waititi still desperately wanted to cling on to the lightness of the film where a dive into full seriousness might've worked better. Then again, his running with his concept all the way through is also somewhat admirable.
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Post by Viced on Dec 28, 2019 5:17:00 GMT
Total pukefest.
Outside of being insanely unfunny, cringey, and stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid (in many, many ways)... not enough people are talking about how stunningly boring this is. I think the first scene that actually held my attention happened around an hour into it (Stephen Merchant's appearance... though the Nazi salute "jokes" ruined any chance of that scene having any power). Some of that scene, some of Rockwell's character (and his last scene), and the awesome Yorki were the only parts of this that weren't dogshit.
3/10. David Bowie must be rolling over in his grave after one of his songs was used to close out this shitshow.
And imaginary Hitler might be the worst movie character of the decade. Every time he showed up I wanted to gouge my eyes out.
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