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Post by Sarah on May 18, 2019 18:59:50 GMT
No order.
Glengarry Glen Ross
Chinese Coffee People I Know The Humbling Scarecrow
As bonus two favorite quotes
Jake Manheim: I'm exhausted from being exhausted.
Ricky Roma: All train compartments smell vaguely of shit. It gets so you don't mind it. That's the worst thing that I can confess. You know how long it took me to get there? A long time. When you die you're going to regret the things you don't do. You think you're queer? I'm going to tell you something: we're all queer. You think you're a thief? So what? You get befuddled by a middle-class morality? Get shut of it. Shut it out. You cheated on your wife? You did it, live with it. You **** little girls, so be it. There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, then be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way. A hell exists on earth? Yes. I won't live in it. That's me. You ever take a dump made you feel like you'd just slept for twelve hours?
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Post by stephen on May 18, 2019 19:20:43 GMT
Angels in America.
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Post by Sarah on May 18, 2019 19:54:45 GMT
Nice choise.
Some trivia: Dustin Hoffman was considered for the role of Roy M. Cohn. (He would also play gay werry well)
Shortly before his death in 2014, director Mike Nichols revealed that out of all the films he had directed in his lifetime, he considered this to be his magnum opus. (Really? Wow. I mean he did even better movies...)
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Post by pacinoyes on May 18, 2019 19:55:28 GMT
Ok, I'll play:
There's usually 2 ways to define the greatest actors and those come from the obvious 2 guys - Brando and "a great run" or Olivier and "overall amount of great performances". This isn't an absolute - Jack Lemmon doesn't exactly fit Olivier's path or Day-Lewis Brando's - they had their own but as a generality it mostly fits. Well Pacino specifically resembles Brando for a time in his career and then he switches to Olivier........that's pretty cool.
GF II, DDA, AiA are my top 3, but I will reference the one I usually put around 4th - just to show how special he is. 50 minutes. About 6 scenes. Shaky accent (at best). But this performance isn't about that - it's about a kind of inspired acting genius - this isn't even "the big" scene in the film but look at how many things he balances here (again, fnck the accent, just watch how he acts) - fraternity and NOT fraternity from the start, a crazed excitement because he knows what comes next when they will leave the bar and has played it out in his mind repeatedly, the character is ACTING........and to how he relates to each of the other characters here - one his soon to be victim, one his soon to be accomplice. He charmingly mocks here with a genuinely frightening underlying menace and contempt all at once - most actors wouldn't really be smart enough to think this through at all much less this deeply or to portray it.
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Post by Sarah on May 19, 2019 7:18:58 GMT
Gonna watch Local Stigmatic soon. Why it has only around 50 mins? Was it heavily cut or any production problems?
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Post by pacinoyes on May 19, 2019 8:50:46 GMT
Gonna watch Local Stigmatic soon. Why it has only around 50 mins? Was it heavily cut or any production problems? It's just a short play - so they merely filmed the play - he only decided to release it much later - most of it is shot in 84/85. He filmed with his own money (as he has all those films like Looking For Richard, Chinese Coffee, Wilde Salome)........that's another thing I love about him, who else uses his own money 4 times to get something on film just because he loves it and wants it to be preserved historically? Originally he'd done this play in 1969..........he also famously did this play with John Cazale in the 70s too ............
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Post by Longtallsally on May 19, 2019 12:15:22 GMT
Scarecrow Bobby Deerfield Two Bits
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Post by TerryMontana on May 19, 2019 16:13:15 GMT
Scarecrow Bobby Deerfield Two Bits Now, that's some votes we don't get very often!!!!
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Post by TerryMontana on May 19, 2019 16:22:58 GMT
I think we've played this game before. OK, I wasn't here back then. So I'll write down my opinion.
1. Godfather II 2. Godfather I 3. Donnie Brasco 4. Serpico 5. Dog Day Afternoon 6. Scent of a Woman 7. The Merchant of Venice 8. Godfather Part III 9. Chinese Coffee (I LOVE THAT ONE!!!) 10. The Insider
I don't rank his TV work among the others. If I did, then AiA and YDKJ would be very very high. I consider them two of his best performances ever. Pacino's Roy Cohn would be #2 for me.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 19, 2019 16:55:25 GMT
Some great mentions in this thread which is a little surprising since he's been talked about a lot before and he is a little played out here until OUATIH I guess but the ones people list really do sometimes reveal so much. For example, the key thing that separates him is the totality of roles and his connection to them and across material (sometimes Jeff Bridges also has some of this same attribute I think).
One thing I always say is if you look at 1999-now, he has several acting triumphs just playing Jewish characters : AiA, Phil Spector, The Insider, People I Know, Chinese Coffee, Merchant Of Venice (film) and maybe OUATIH (assuming he's good in it?) and The Hunt (assuming he's good in that too?) . That is a big amount - prior to 1999 he played just 1 Jewish character in 30 years and all of a sudden he's played all of these ones and Dustin Hoffman who would be better suited on paper for most of those roles and was friends with and had worked with almost all the directors before got........ none of them.
It's kind of amazing really he was able to get all those opportunities and been able to get so much out of them so far.....
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Post by TerryMontana on May 19, 2019 17:59:38 GMT
I think we've played this game before. OK, I wasn't here back then. So I'll write down my opinion. 1. Godfather II 2. Godfather I 3. Donnie Brasco 4. Serpico 5. Dog Day Afternoon 6. Scent of a Woman 7. The Merchant of Venice 8. Godfather Part III 9. Chinese Coffee (I LOVE THAT ONE!!!) 10. The Insider I don't rank his TV work among the others. If I did, then AiA and YDKJ would be very very high. I consider them two of his best performances ever. Pacino's Roy Cohn would be #2 for me. I quote myself to point out that I mentioned my 10+2 best Al performances and I didn't include parts like Local Stigmatic, Scarecrow, Paterno, Panic in Needle Park, Insomnia, Phil Spector, People I know, Carlito or Scarface and Heat (slightly over the top in those two. Ok, maybe a bit more than just slightly... Out of all his over-the-top perfs, I prefer Scent of a Woman). And of course I didn't include some of his Oscar nominated performances: Justice for All, Dick Tracy, Glengarry. Most actors would have built a great career only by starring in the movies I left out...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 19, 2019 18:42:21 GMT
I mean it's Godfather 2 and Dog Day Afternoon but that should go without saying. Pretty basic obvious choices but they're beloved for a reason. I also love him in Glengary Glen Ross and The Insider, the latter of which was weirdly underrated. His chemistry with Crowe and Plummer was positively electric. Serpico and Godfather 1 too obviously. All the classics. I also really like him in Panic in Needle Park (which itself is an underrated gem), even though Kitty Winn out-performed him by quite a stretch.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 20:23:13 GMT
1. I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. 2. Attica! Attica! 3. If you love a man's garden, you gotta love the man! 4. Who ever told you that you could work with men? 5. GREAT ASS!
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 20, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
I mean it's Godfather 2 and Dog Day Afternoon but that should go without saying. Pretty basic obvious choices but they're beloved for a reason. I also love him in Glengary Glen Ross and The Insider, the latter of which was weirdly underrated. His chemistry with Crowe and Plummer was positively electric. Serpico and Godfather 1 too obviously. All the classics. I also really like him in Panic in Needle Park (which itself is an underrated gem), even though Kitty Winn out-performed him by quite a stretch. I agree, Panic in Needle Park is such a great gem and Kitty is really amazing in it. The fun thing that you can argue regarding Big Al's great and famous run in the early 70's is that he arguably wasn't even the best performance in any of his 3 first starring roles or at least didn't get the best notices and awards attentions, kitty as already metionned who won Best Actress at Cannes, an iconic Brando in The Godfather who deservly won the oscar and Gene Hackman being at the very top of his game (arguably his best imo) in Scarecrow. Al was great from the start but he got some really terrific "opponents" too, which is always a plus. These early 70's american films were no jokes. TGF II is my favorite and the one I see as his best too but Lefty (Donnie Brasco) is probably my favorite character he has ever portrayed.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 20, 2019 11:44:43 GMT
The fun thing that you can argue regarding Big Al's great and famous run in the early 70's is that he arguably wasn't even the best performance in any of his 3 first starring roles or at least didn't get the best notices and awards attentions Agreed. But he was the best performance in his next three roles (Serpico, GF II, DDA).
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 20, 2019 11:53:50 GMT
The fun thing that you can argue regarding Big Al's great and famous run in the early 70's is that he arguably wasn't even the best performance in any of his 3 first starring roles or at least didn't get the best notices and awards attentions Agreed. But he was the best performance in his next three roles (Serpico, GF II, DDA). That goes without saying
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Post by pacinoyes on May 21, 2019 19:24:04 GMT
Some great mentions in this thread which is a little surprising since he's been talked about a lot before and he is a little played out here until OUATIH I guess but the ones people list really do sometimes reveal so much. For example, the key thing that separates him is the totality of roles and his connection to them and across material (sometimes Jeff Bridges also has some of this same attribute I think). One thing I always say is if you look at 1999-now, he has several acting triumphs just playing Jewish characters : AiA, Phil Spector, The Insider, People I Know, Chinese Coffee, Merchant Of Venice (film) and maybe OUATIH (assuming he's good in it?) and The Hunt (assuming he's good in that too?) . That is a big amount - prior to 1999 he played just 1 Jewish character in 30 years and all of a sudden he's played all of these ones and Dustin Hoffman who would be better suited on paper for most of those roles and was friends with and had worked with almost all the directors before got........ none of them. It's kind of amazing really he was able to get all those opportunities and been able to get so much out of them so far..... Just to follow up on this post: notices are already good from what I've seen about his Marvin Schwarz in OUATIH so that seems like another plus Jewish characterization/role for Al - we'll see as more reviews come out later but so far so good and here's the 5/5 Guardian review from today which calls his performance "an uproarious cameo" ....... www.theguardian.com/film/2019/may/21/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review-tarantino-dazzling-dicaprio-pitt
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Post by chris3 on May 21, 2019 21:02:18 GMT
His performance in Dog Day Afternoon is one of my all time favorites in cinema history. Angels in America would be second, and then The Godfather: Parts I and II.
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Post by countjohn on May 21, 2019 21:54:29 GMT
Godfather, Dog Day Afternoon, Glengarry Glen Ross
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 30, 2019 12:51:34 GMT
I got a couple of nice DM's about from people about where I rank The Irishman so I thought it through and have updated my top 10 for him - Scarface, Scent of a Woman, Heat, Carlito's Way, Insomnia, The Insider, Glengarry Glen Ross, Merchant of Venice ...... and even more (!) all fall in that 11-~30 range 1. Godfather Part II 2. Dog Day Afternoon 3. Angels in America
No Order:
Irishman YDK Jack The Godfather Serpico The Local Stigmatic (see above in this thread for the "why") Donnie Brasco Scarecrow
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 30, 2019 13:28:58 GMT
Interestingly (or probably not...) I loved his performance in the Irishman but I wouldn't list it in my top-10 Pacino perfs. Maybe not even in his top-15.
Especially if I take his TV work into account.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 30, 2019 13:40:21 GMT
Interestingly (or probably not...) I loved his performance in the Irishman but I wouldn't list it in my top-10 Pacino perfs. Maybe not even in his top-15. Especially if I take his TV work into account. I hear ya buddy he just goes so deep it's hard to do with him as opposed to most other guys - to me anyway. I gave up after that top 10 but if you go deeper and try to rank other great stuff like for example .....And Justice For All, Sea of Love, Panic in Needle Park and Chinese Coffee ...... you get to the point where you're like "Oh fnck this"
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 30, 2019 14:29:19 GMT
Interestingly (or probably not...) I loved his performance in the Irishman but I wouldn't list it in my top-10 Pacino perfs. Maybe not even in his top-15. Especially if I take his TV work into account. I hear ya buddy he just goes so deep it's hard to do with him as opposed to most other guys - to me anyway. I gave up after that top 10 but if you go deeper and try to rank other great stuff like for example .....And Justice For All, Sea of Love, Panic in Needle Park and Chinese Coffee ...... you get to the point where you're like "Oh fnck this" As a matter of fact, I do rank his performance in Chinese Coffee very highly. But in my top-10 you'd meet stuff like Scent of a Woman, Donnie Brasco and Merchant of Venice. Stuff you wouldn't normally expect in a Pacino top performances list.
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 30, 2019 16:22:07 GMT
I'd say: 1. The Godfather II 2. Dog Day Afternoon 3. Heat 4. Serpico 5. Scent of a Woman 6. Insomnia
Those are the outstanding ones. Next probably:
7. Donnie Brasco 8. The Godfather
9. The Irishman 10. Scarecrow 11. Glengarry Glen Ross 12. And Justice for All
all are really great performances. And I have to leave off even more great ones.
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Post by DeepArcher on Nov 30, 2019 17:54:02 GMT
The GOAT. Still a hell of a lot I haven't seen, but here's a top five:
1. Dog Day Afternoon 2. The Godfather (& Part II) 3. The Irishman (cannot stop thinking about his work here) 4. Carlito's Way 5. Glengarry Glen Ross
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