rhodoraonline
Badass
Your Generosity Hides Something Dirtier and Meaner
Posts: 1,027 
Likes: 505
|
Post by rhodoraonline on Jan 12, 2019 23:21:00 GMT
The final lines of the article:
Andrew is tragically wasting his effort on this sociopathic void of a man, but you can't help but be stirred by his superhuman effort all the same. Whiplash treads that uncomfortable line as tightly as possible and leaves the audience feeling a little queasy for admiring Andrew's victory, no matter how Pyrrhic it might be.
____
The exact interpretation will of course be divisive but that is the point. Chazelle is putting the uncomfortable question upfront. Sure Fletcher did achieve his purpose and will even feel an enhanced sense of achievement and be reinforced in his arrogant bullying, while being blithely unaware/uncaring/indifferent to what that cost his student.
|
|
|
|
Post by ibbi on Jan 13, 2019 0:30:33 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 13, 2019 0:44:56 GMT
I'm not as high on it as I used to be, but I still find pretty damn entertaining with great acting and directing. He's the reason I'm not big on it. I felt like he was playing the same role as in Rabbit Hole, aka incredibly wooden. He was anything but wooden in Rabbit Hole (which is an exceptional film btw). His character in Whiplash is just boring. A metaphorical stand-in for perfectionism as uninteresting as it was when Natalie Portman did it in Black Swan, but at least that film had more happening. Whiplash is a basic story about a naive kid with a dream and a mean teacher. It's predictable, simplistic, and familiar. |
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 13, 2019 1:45:53 GMT
The final lines of the article: Andrew is tragically wasting his effort on this sociopathic void of a man, but you can't help but be stirred by his superhuman effort all the same. Whiplash treads that uncomfortable line as tightly as possible and leaves the audience feeling a little queasy for admiring Andrew's victory, no matter how Pyrrhic it might be. ____ The exact interpretation will of course be divisive but that is the point. Chazelle is putting the uncomfortable question upfront. Sure Fletcher did achieve his purpose and will even feel an enhanced sense of achievement and be reinforced in his arrogant bullying, while being blithely unaware/uncaring/indifferent to what that cost his student. How exactly does the film benefit from an ending that you think can be interpreted differently in this case? To suggest that it's open to interpretation is already problematic because there should be no ambiguity about abuse, regardless of whether or not you think Andrew's "artistic achievement" is earned in the end. The movie has a streak of mean-spiritedness in the way that the final "victory" is achieved through the approval of Simmons' character in the first place. It's framed in such a way that Simmons' character gets some of the credit for what Andrew's own efforts and abilities have achieved, and seems to suggest that such abusive behavior is just "part of what it takes" for art. Abuse is never ok, and the movie's BS ending is not sufficiently critical of this, opting instead for a "rousing" finale. |
|
rhodoraonline
Badass
Your Generosity Hides Something Dirtier and Meaner
Posts: 1,027
Likes: 505
|
Post by rhodoraonline on Jan 13, 2019 4:38:54 GMT
Well, that wasn't my read when I watched it.
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,699
Likes: 2,126
|
Post by cherry68 on Jan 13, 2019 6:11:46 GMT
I found the teacher in Notte prima degli esami (2006) a more nuanced and interesting character.
|
|
|
|
Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 13, 2019 19:38:34 GMT
Breaking news: dude with a Margaret avatar has pretentious opinions not everyone can have good taste in this cruel world You know that high brow film taste and contrarian views don’t make you smart or cool or cultured right. Get out of your little bubble and read some books or go to an art museum or something. You can tell you have no perspective outside of your own. I know this because I thought I was hot shit and knew everything when I was in my early 20’s too. Hopefully you grow out of it soon when you get some real life experience. I hope you two evolve one day. |
|
wonky
Full Member
Posts: 596 
Likes: 713
|
Post by wonky on Jan 13, 2019 20:46:35 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Jan 13, 2019 20:48:39 GMT
It amazes me how quickly everyone seemed to turn on this movie, and it seemed to coincide with the release and success of La La Land.
|
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 13, 2019 20:56:08 GMT
I mean, I love La La Land and disliked Whiplash when it was first released.
|
|
wonky
Full Member
Posts: 596
Likes: 713
|
Post by wonky on Jan 13, 2019 21:03:46 GMT
It amazes me how quickly everyone seemed to turn on this movie, and it seemed to coincide with the release and success of La La Land. Or after it won 3 Oscars. |
|
|
|
Post by stabcaesar on Jan 13, 2019 21:05:54 GMT
I really like La La Land, but I'm pretty indifferent towards Whiplash.
|
|
|
|
Post by JangoB on Jan 13, 2019 21:06:10 GMT
I dunno whether some people turned on it or not but my opinion about it is exactly the same as it was when I first saw it - it's an excellent adrenaline rush of a film that sometimes goes too over-the-top for its own good (the biggest example would be the car crash scene). And the Simmons character sometimes seems almost cartoonish with his behavior. But as an entertainment piece it still works immensely well. The hurricane sweep of it all is quite enticing and it's incredibly well made.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 21:22:08 GMT
It amazes me how quickly everyone seemed to turn on this movie, and it seemed to coincide with the release and success of La La Land. Have people really turned on it though? It's still highly adored by the majority of filmgoers. I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread bashing it (myself included) have always strongly disliked it. Certainly no one in here suddenly did a 180 on it. |
|
Film Socialism
Based
99.9999% of rock is crap
Posts: 2,557
Likes: 1,389
|
Post by Film Socialism on Jan 13, 2019 22:28:10 GMT
not everyone can have good taste in this cruel world You know that high brow film taste and contrarian views don’t make you smart or cool or cultured right. Get out of your little bubble and read some books or go to an art museum or something. You can tell you have no perspective outside of your own. I know this because I thought I was hot shit and knew everything when I was in my early 20’s too. Hopefully you grow out of it soon when you get some real life experience. I hope you two evolve one day. u sure told me mr "go to an art museum" |
|
|
|
Post by moonman157 on Jan 14, 2019 3:45:22 GMT
You know that high brow film taste and contrarian views don’t make you smart or cool or cultured right. Get out of your little bubble and read some books or go to an art museum or something. You can tell you have no perspective outside of your own. I know this because I thought I was hot shit and knew everything when I was in my early 20’s too. Hopefully you grow out of it soon when you get some real life experience. I hope you two evolve one day. u sure told me mr "go to an art museum" lol movies aren't art bro, they're just a real fun time. get your popcorn, put the butter on it, chill with your friends, have some laughs. afterwards don a suit and head to the art museum and let the serious evolution begin. |
|
|
|
Post by Sharbs on Jan 14, 2019 3:59:10 GMT
It amazes me how quickly everyone seemed to turn on this movie, and it seemed to coincide with the release and success of La La Land. Dont know about 180 but I don't think people cared enough about it before LLL and people just got louder |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:56:01 GMT
It’s ok. A little better than LLL.
|
|
|
|
Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jan 14, 2019 15:58:30 GMT
I thought it was very good when I saw it, and I don't think that's changed. It's intense and fantastically edited. I have my issues with some of the third act, and I think people went a little overboard in the praise for Simmons, as while his performance was very good, it was nothing he didn't do before and better in Oz.
|
|
|
|
Post by getclutch on Jan 16, 2019 4:49:32 GMT
This is a really short, exciting and easy film to watch and will excite film buffs and general audiences easily.
|
|
