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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 7, 2019 8:08:13 GMT
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Post by akittystang on Jan 7, 2019 8:53:08 GMT
Very, very happy for her. Wonderful Actress! One of our best.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 7, 2019 16:21:04 GMT
Besides, she had the privilege of receiving the Golden Globe from the hands of Gary Oldman 😀
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 7, 2019 16:54:42 GMT
Look, speaking as someone who's yet to watch either Close or Colman's performances and therefore has no personal favorite between the two of them, it's wiser to keep those expectations in check before the winner is actually announced, or run the risk of massive disappointment. Close surged in a huge way last night, but Colman has a LOT of factors working in her favor too, and even Gaga isn't completely out of the race given the SAG-AFTRA love for ASIB.
There's almost two months left to go; who knows how much can change before the voting's finished. As the saying goes, don't count your chickens before Gary Oldman actually reads their name out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 17:08:21 GMT
Besides, she had the privilege of receiving the Golden Globe from the hands of Gary Oldman 😀 Did you hear him whisper to her how terrific she was in the film? It was so sweet.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 7, 2019 17:15:19 GMT
I'd much prefer to see Glenn win for the Sunset Blvd. musical she said she'd shoot this year
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 17:35:26 GMT
Zeb31 - I'll be interested to see who your preference is. I really enjoyed Colman's performance - she blends the broad physical comedy with her character's personal tragedy seamlessly, and she is handily the greatest of her actressing trio, but there isn't really any sort of arc for her to "act." (Indeed, Stone's character is the only one with any sort of personal growth or change in the film.) I think Close has the far greater challenge with a character with far more depth and nuance, and she rises to it with incredible intelligence and restraint. Just my $0.02.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 7, 2019 18:00:54 GMT
(Indeed, Stone's character is the only one with any sort of personal growth or change in the film.) I disagree. I think it was clear that Queen Anne literally grew a spine. To quote Colman, Queen Anne was originally Sarah and Abigail's bitch, but towards the end they became her bitches.
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Post by stephen on Jan 7, 2019 18:29:02 GMT
(Indeed, Stone's character is the only one with any sort of personal growth or change in the film.) I disagree. I think it was clear that Queen Anne literally grew a spine. To quote Colman, Queen Anne was originally Sarah and Abigail's bitch, but towards the end they became her bitches. I'd also argue Weisz changed as well. Lady Sarah saw Queen Anne originally as little more than a puppet she could manipulate. Sure, she may have had some affection for "Mrs. Morley", but it was often used to manipulate and cajole rather than actually expressing any sort of love. S he thought that she could boss and bully her the way she did with the likes of Harley and Abigail, as seen in her attempted blackmail scene. But when she realizes that it will not work on Anne (due to that character's growth), she at first lashes out . . . and then we see her despondent. Not because of her sudden lack of power or even that Abigail triumphed over her, but because she lost the Queen's trust and love, and it hurts her personally. Some could read her interaction through the secret door as her trying to manipulate Anne further, but I think that is the one moment where she is open and honest with herself, and we see that despite her silver tongue and general alacrity, she fails in her goals in the one time where she is vulnerable.
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Post by The-Havok on Jan 7, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
Umm no sweetie... Colman has it in the bag jk Close has this in the bag. The Favorite couldn't even get Ensemble at SAG lel.
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Post by quetee on Jan 7, 2019 19:20:51 GMT
jinx...jinx....jinx....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 19:37:58 GMT
Umm no sweetie... Colman has it in the bag jk Close has this in the bag. The Favorite couldn't even get Ensemble at SAG lel. All jokes aside, I do think people are overestimating The Favourite. I don't think it's a Top 5 contender for Best Picture (at all), and I could easily see it getting something like 9 nominations and not winning a single one.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 8, 2019 1:27:13 GMT
jk Close has this in the bag. The Favorite couldn't even get Ensemble at SAG lel. ...and The Wife could? 3 nominations still > 1 nomination. It makes no sense to bring up the SAG Ensemble snub as proof that Colman is out when that's basically The Favourite's only substantial guild miss so far (not counting the WGA, for which it was ineligible anyway; speaking of which, was The Wife ineligible too, or just snubbed?). The Favourite's three leads were all SAG-nodded, just like they were expected to be, and the film also hit PGA, ACE, ASC and the Art Directors' Guild. It's shown up everywhere so far, while Close's SAG nod is The Wife's only guild appearance at this point (and will likely be its only one). Saying " The Favourite couldn't even get SAG Ensemble" is like saying " The Wife couldn't even get Supporting Actor in a paper-thin field". Obviously The Wife not getting nominated for Art Direction doesn't mean Close can't win, because it's not the type of film to court tech love, but the fact remains that The Favourite is getting support from all branches, and far outpacing The Wife with literally every awards group. They both won the same prize at the Globes, but The Favourite also had four additional nods including Motion Picture and Screenplay, while The Wife had zilch outside of Actress; the two films are a whole 13 nominations apart at BFCA; one's expected to dominate at BAFTA and is in the running for a DGA nod, while the other will be vastly overperforming by getting any additional noms from the former and isn't even remotely in the conversation for the latter. And that's saying nothing of their performance with critics' groups. To cling to The Favourite's one snub as proof of anything (in the most atypical year in recent memory, no less) while ignoring that The Wife is getting left out everywhere (including SAG Ensemble, of course) is letting your dislike of Lanthimos affect your perception of which film is actually stronger overall. Also: The Shape of Water won Picture and Director without a SAG Ensemble nod; The Favourite can manage Actress without it. La La Land and Room were in a similar position, with Stone/Gosling and Larson/Trembley all landing individual SAG nods while the films were snubbed for Ensemble. Both actresses still had no problem winning the Oscar. I'm not writing Close off, but I'm gonna need a better argument than that to dismiss Colman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 1:41:15 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances.
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Post by stephen on Jan 8, 2019 1:52:19 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances. Dude, no one said she couldn't win. Only that it would be an uphill climb. But even you have to admit that Close winning with the path she has taken is almost unheard of in the modern awards climate. She would be breaking trends left and right to win for a film getting zero love outside of her, with only two or three minor critical wins under her belt, in a category that doesn't favor women of a certain age. The closest equivalent I can find is Geraldine Page, whose win predates a lot of these prizes and awards bodies, and who would probably have won her fair share if they'd existed back in the day. Usually, an Oscar-winning performance either sees love given to the film itself in the form of other nominations, or in the rare occasions where you see a sole nominee win, they usually win a boatload of prizes beforehand. Close would be an anomaly in today's climate that bucked every single trend and rationale that Oscar prognostication gives us, which is why a lot of us were and are predicting that it wouldn't be an easy road for her. Because it hasn't been. The Globe was her first real boost in this race, and it's a boost that her closest competition also gained.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 8, 2019 1:56:50 GMT
Could be, but this is still a different beast than Moore. We all knew going into the season that Moore was going to win it. Up until the Globes, we couldn’t honestly say that Close was going to be the runaway. And it’ll likely stay as murky until the SAG’s come to clear things up. And as Stephen already said, Moore didn’t have the kind of competition that Close does. Close has the stars of two Best Picture juggernaughts to compete against, while Moore’s biggest competition (while hailing from a Picture nominee) was second fiddle to that season’s Best Actor winner. It’s a different ball park this time around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 1:57:12 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances. Dude, no one said she couldn't win. You and I have been posting on two totally different boards this awards season, then.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 8, 2019 13:10:11 GMT
That Glenn managed to win where literally everyone saw her losing speaks volumes about her current frontrunner status. Now she's in the spotlight and she's not the kind of actress that will suffer from backlash. The overdue narrative is fully on and only Olivia Colman can dethrone her (and even that I don't see happening).
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Post by Weaver Addict on Jan 8, 2019 14:44:11 GMT
Besides, she had the privilege of receiving the Golden Globe from the hands of Gary Oldman 😀 Hell yeah, she also met and greeted her long time companion in Fatal Attraction, Michael Douglas who also won that night, what a coincidence! She also had her Jagged Edge reunion with Jeff Bridges. If Redford had bothered to show up it would have been a night with Glenn Close and her 80's leading men.
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Post by Weaver Addict on Jan 8, 2019 18:00:55 GMT
She also had her Jagged Edge reunion with Jeff Bridges. If Redford had bothered to show up it would have been a night with Glenn Close and her 80's leading men. Damn right! Harrison Ford was there too (Air force one) . Also love to see Zorro Reunion ( Jones and Banderas), and accidentally, two James bonds were there too, Daniel Craig and Mike Myers , damn great night! Forgot about Ford! That Zorro reunion was pretty sweet. Definitely one of my favorite GG shows and I think it has to do with seeing one of my favorite actresses from the 80's getting her due (3 standing ovations!) instead of the current "IT" girl taking the spotlight.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 8, 2019 18:25:14 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances. It's less about that (she's clearly not #5 like I'd been saying, but that doesn't mean there weren't good reasons to have her that low before the first prizes started being handed out, seeing as there was no solid evidence to go off of either way at that point) and more about being careful before making definitive predictions or speaking in absoutes. I've been burnt before by getting too confident in the early stages of the race and not considering every possibility, which makes me tend to add an asterisk to all my predictions now. When it comes to Best Actress, we have no idea which way SAG or BAFTA are gonna go, and that's key. Consider this scenario. A Star is Born may have disappointed big time at the Globes, but it's still the most nominated film of the year at SAG. Audiences loved it, it had enough longevity to surpass $200M domestically, and its current stateside numbers are almost 25x those of The Wife and 10x those of The Favourite (though the latter will likely expand as the season progresses and finish well above its current standing). If there's one awards group that has the potential to go all in on it, it's SAG, with its six-digit contingent of voters, and though I myself don't consider it deserving of any of them, I think it has legitimate shots in all four categories it's nominated for. Gaga has the visibility, popularity and role to pull off an upset here, which is why I'm not on the "RIP ASIB" camp just yet. I'm not saying she'll win, but she definitely might. And then there's BAFTA, which has given Colman no less than 3 wins in the past six years (for TV, but still). She's massivily revered in Britain, and The Favourite is total BAFTA catnip. Her winning is very much in the realm of possibility, more so than Gaga winning at SAG. So imagine that that's how things go down: Close takes the Globe, Gaga takes SAG, Colman takes Globe + BAFTA, which could totally happen. Then we have a race. We'll also have a race if Close wins SAG and Colman wins BAFTA; in that case, I'll be the first to concede that Close becomes the frontrunner, but I'll still be cautious enough not to definitively rule out her closest competitor because no contender is monopolizing the support so far. If either Close or Colman manage to pull off the one-two punch of winning SAG and BAFTA, then that's a different story. But that hasn't happened yet, so I'll cover my ass until further notice. The whole season up until this point has been so twisty and full of surprises that I don't think any of the big 8 categories have a definitive, widely agreed-upon frontrunner except Cuarón for Director and maybe BlacKkKlansman for Adapted Screenplay. Best Picture is a damn mess, Malek just threw a big wrench in Cooper's narrative, Supporting Actor could still see Grant rise to benefit from the recency of Ali's Oscar victory, Supporting Actress would've been a clear race if it wasn't for SAG snubbing the critical sweeper/Globe winner, and Original Screenplay is a two (or three?) horse battle. Even the techs are still mostly up in the air. So I definitely don't think this is the year to call anything obvious or a foregone conclusion in the first week of January, with only the Globes to base our predictions on. Just some thoughts.
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Post by sirjeremy on Jan 8, 2019 22:24:39 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances. Dude, no one said she couldn't win. Only that it would be an uphill climb. But even you have to admit that Close winning with the path she has taken is almost unheard of in the modern awards climate. She would be breaking trends left and right to win for a film getting zero love outside of her, with only two or three minor critical wins under her belt, in a category that doesn't favor women of a certain age. The closest equivalent I can find is Geraldine Page, whose win predates a lot of these prizes and awards bodies, and who would probably have won her fair share if they'd existed back in the day. Usually, an Oscar-winning performance either sees love given to the film itself in the form of other nominations, or in the rare occasions where you see a sole nominee win, they usually win a boatload of prizes beforehand. Close would be an anomaly in today's climate that bucked every single trend and rationale that Oscar prognostication gives us, which is why a lot of us were and are predicting that it wouldn't be an easy road for her. Because it hasn't been. The Globe was her first real boost in this race, and it's a boost that her closest competition also gained. Page lost the Glove to Goldberg, and the only awards she won prior to her Oscar win was at Boston and the Independent Spirits. Sure she most likely would have won SAG but what else in such a competitive year for that category? A few minor critic awards, probably. The comparison to her in 85 and Close this year is stronger than you think.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jan 8, 2019 22:32:22 GMT
Some of y'all really just don't want to admit you were wrong about Close's chances. Dude, no one said she couldn't win. Only that it would be an uphill climb. But even you have to admit that Close winning with the path she has taken is almost unheard of in the modern awards climate. She would be breaking trends left and right to win for a film getting zero love outside of her, with only two or three minor critical wins under her belt, in a category that doesn't favor women of a certain age. The closest equivalent I can find is Geraldine Page, whose win predates a lot of these prizes and awards bodies, and who would probably have won her fair share if they'd existed back in the day. Usually, an Oscar-winning performance either sees love given to the film itself in the form of other nominations, or in the rare occasions where you see a sole nominee win, they usually win a boatload of prizes beforehand. Close would be an anomaly in today's climate that bucked every single trend and rationale that Oscar prognostication gives us, which is why a lot of us were and are predicting that it wouldn't be an easy road for her. Because it hasn't been. The Globe was her first real boost in this race, and it's a boost that her closest competition also gained. What about Moore in Still Alice? VERY similar "massively overdue/sole nomination" scenario. Did she win a boatload of Critics Prizes?? I frankly don't remember.
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Post by stephen on Jan 8, 2019 23:32:42 GMT
Dude, no one said she couldn't win. Only that it would be an uphill climb. But even you have to admit that Close winning with the path she has taken is almost unheard of in the modern awards climate. She would be breaking trends left and right to win for a film getting zero love outside of her, with only two or three minor critical wins under her belt, in a category that doesn't favor women of a certain age. The closest equivalent I can find is Geraldine Page, whose win predates a lot of these prizes and awards bodies, and who would probably have won her fair share if they'd existed back in the day. Usually, an Oscar-winning performance either sees love given to the film itself in the form of other nominations, or in the rare occasions where you see a sole nominee win, they usually win a boatload of prizes beforehand. Close would be an anomaly in today's climate that bucked every single trend and rationale that Oscar prognostication gives us, which is why a lot of us were and are predicting that it wouldn't be an easy road for her. Because it hasn't been. The Globe was her first real boost in this race, and it's a boost that her closest competition also gained. What about Moore in Still Alice? VERY similar "massively overdue/sole nomination" scenario Did she win a boatload of Critics Prizes?? I frankly don't remember. She didn't sweep to the extent of Helen Mirren or Forest Whitaker, but this is how many she won overall. Close, in comparison, has won only three critics' prizes (all minor ones at that), plus a Hollywood Film Award (which the studios buy and pay for), a prize at Palm Springs (which McCarthy and Colman also received), and now the Globe. Moore was seen as the presumed winner ever since the beginning of the year, much less the season (especially with her winning Cannes that same year and having Game Change goodwill). The feeling was very much around that it was her time, and while Marion Cotillard was also winning her fair share of prizes that year from the critics, she was a former winner. Comparatively, Close's narrative has been relatively muted until recently, because a lot of people were waiting to see if she could beat Gaga at the Globes, and only just now has taken hold. So there's not a whole lot of comparison to be had between Moore and Close's paths, because they have been very different.
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Post by stephen on Jan 8, 2019 23:38:11 GMT
Dude, no one said she couldn't win. Only that it would be an uphill climb. But even you have to admit that Close winning with the path she has taken is almost unheard of in the modern awards climate. She would be breaking trends left and right to win for a film getting zero love outside of her, with only two or three minor critical wins under her belt, in a category that doesn't favor women of a certain age. The closest equivalent I can find is Geraldine Page, whose win predates a lot of these prizes and awards bodies, and who would probably have won her fair share if they'd existed back in the day. Usually, an Oscar-winning performance either sees love given to the film itself in the form of other nominations, or in the rare occasions where you see a sole nominee win, they usually win a boatload of prizes beforehand. Close would be an anomaly in today's climate that bucked every single trend and rationale that Oscar prognostication gives us, which is why a lot of us were and are predicting that it wouldn't be an easy road for her. Because it hasn't been. The Globe was her first real boost in this race, and it's a boost that her closest competition also gained. Page lost the Glove to Goldberg, and the only awards she won prior to her Oscar win was at Boston and the Independent Spirits. Sure she most likely would have won SAG but what else in such a competitive year for that category? A few minor critic awards, probably. The comparison to her in 85 and Close this year is stronger than you think. Page was a previous two-time Globe winner, so that might've figured into it. It should also be pointed out that Page had gotten nominated the previous year, which woke people up to her overdue status. Even Moore, who had been off the Academy's radar for a dozen years, had Game Change to remind people she was a thing. Close hasn't really had that sort of recent thing to remind people to get off their asses and reward her. And again, it's hard to really draw comparisons to the awards landscape of today versus what it was in '85 (especially as BAFTA was after the Oscars and hence couldn't even be used as a bellwether).
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