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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 28, 2017 19:13:07 GMT
a) Instead of separate original song presentations, a kind of creatively executed medley getting done with all the songs in a single presentation right before its award is presented.
b) Liberace once presented the Original Score category and presented the nominees by briefly playing key notes from each score on his piano. That should be the standard Original Score presentation every year, inviting one great contemporary composer to present.
c) Add a choreography award. Choreography is very integral part of a lot of the movies, more so than the soundtrack. It also covers an area totally ignored otherwise in the ceremony.
d) Maybe a voice and motion capture performance award, 5 nominees, generd-inclusive, covers motion capture and pure voice performances (e.g. Johansson in Her, Williams in Aladdin).
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 28, 2017 19:17:55 GMT
I just don't understand why someone would want just 5 movies nominated for Best Picture. If anything, it should be a fixed 10.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 28, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
c) Add a choreography award. Choreography is very integral part of a lot of the movies, more so than the soundtrack. It also covers an area totally ignored otherwise in the ceremony. Musicals haven't been relevant for years.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 28, 2017 19:25:53 GMT
It would be a general category and include stunt choreography and not just for action (for instance the movie Victoria last year which was all filmed in one take).
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Post by bkguy182 on Feb 28, 2017 19:44:25 GMT
if were talking about the actual show... i think the awards should always be grouped like this, to help with show flow. you can play around with the order. but i am such a fan of how 08 did it (order of how a movie is made), that i think it should always be like that.
s. actor adapted screenplay/ og screenplay short film/ short doc/ short animated s. actress production design/costume/makeup animated cinematography sound edit/sound mix/vfx documentary editing foreign score/song director actress actor picture
other things that need to be included:
opening mono 5 song performances in memorium sci/tech awards montage honorary oscars montage
things i would cut:
presidents speech. individually presenting the best picture nominees. i think this is the first year they didnt do that. and it was great. all schticks. as a host, you get an opening monologue. and some comments here and there throughout the show. just do what billy crystal does. any and all montages. no random things like the sound of music moment with gaga that one year. stick to the year were working on. if you want to honor the anniversary of something, do it like you did with bonnie and clyde, as presenters, that dont distract from the flow of the show.
things i would add: the past nominees introducing the nominees. i know not many people like that. but i love it. basically it should always be 08. always. the tech categories should all have a "special" way of presenting them. like, for screenplay, i want a screen shot of the screenplay with voice overs acting out the scene. etc etc.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 28, 2017 20:12:32 GMT
1. Stop with the overlong shticks (i.e. the tour bus, Neil Patrick Harris's stupid box, etc.). Keep the segments tight and precise.
2. Look to get some charismatic showmen to host the show. As much as I like Kimmel, he's not exactly someone you'd consider must-see TV. Now, they did have Eddie Murphy lined up to host for about a minute a couple years back, so they're not terribly far off the track, but they need to close on these people who can really put some pizzazz back on the show.
3. Keep the presenters more exclusive and, for the below-the-line categories, have them present multiple awards. This should speed up proceedings some and also keep the prestige of the show up by not having people like Jamie Dornan and Dakota Johnson presenting just because 50 Shades exists.
4. Specialized montages for each category. The sound editing montage from last year was pretty damn cool, right? Make that the template: have the visual effects montage look like an effects demo, have the design categories showcasing the conceptual art and the final product, etc.
5. Condense the original song numbers into a single rendition, having a medley performed by a top-of-the-line artist. The medley could be purely instrumental or with lyrics, I'm indifferent to that. Point being that we need just one segment, not 4 or 5.
6. Keep the themes centered on the nominees. Although I liked the inspiration theme from this year and found it nice to see actors talking about the performers they grew up on, it probably would have been even better for the wide audience if the actors were talking about how the films nominated had re-fueled their inspiration. Chances are the audience hasn't seen many of the nominees, so you have to showcase and sell them on the films and that will take more than just a couple acting clips.
7. Move the show to Saturday, serve alcohol, and structure the show so that commercials are not coming on after every category. Nobody wants to stay up late on a Sunday when they have to work the next morning just to watch Walmart commercials share airtime with stuffy celebrities. They would, however, be more willing to have an Oscar party on Saturday night to watch some celebrities enjoying themselves in a fairly tight show.
8. Take out preferential balloting. Up to this year (which in some ways is a special circumstance), we kept hearing people complain about how the BP winner was "good, but not that good" and lent itself too much to safe, Hollywood-centric films so let's throw in a system that allows for more bold choices. I'm open to discussion on what to replace it with: graduated points system, first-past-the-post, etc.
9. Add in Best Ensemble and Best Choreography to the proceedings. Depending on the length of the show with those added in, it may require the short film categories to be bumped off (though they can still be briefly recognized in-show via montage a la the Governors Awards). Adding both categories should also shake up the membership of the Academy a bit.
10. Install term limits. If someone has not been involved in filmmaking or distribution for 10 years, they are out. Exceptions for lifetime membership may be made to preserve the Hollywood royalty types (maybe something like needing a certain number of nominations or having registered a certain amount of time in the film industry). Of course, a lot of people would be pissed at this, but conceivably if they are still a part of Hollywood it shouldn't be insanely hard to get an executive producer credit or something, so this will just weed out those who are out of Hollywood's circle entirely and were not around enough to begin with to get themselves a lifetime membership.
11. Install a system to confirm that the voters have seen a certain amount of nominees. Stephen considered how we could do this but I am skeptical we'll get enough voters who've seen every nominee in a given category so to reach a happy medium to keep from pissing off Academy membership I think we could require them to see a certain amount of overall nominated films (I don't know, 75%? I'm open to discussion).
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Post by fujiwarafan on Feb 28, 2017 20:48:56 GMT
When I was in the jury of an important Italian movie award, at a certain point we introduced this method and lowered the number of voters. Believe me, the quality of nominations and winners became extremely higher then the earlier years. Which one? Italian Online Movie Awards
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2017 21:10:03 GMT
create rules on whats a lead and whats a supporting performance. and then have a 5 person panel for anyone who wants to contest the decision. 5 nominees for makeup. This! This whole category fraud is so damn annoying and should finally be decided on. Do it like the Emmys, set a clear rule and who wants to change the category has to make an offical case. This whole "lead performances crammed into supporting to snatch the award from an actual supporting one" is getting annoying.
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Post by matheusf on Feb 28, 2017 21:12:52 GMT
Guys, I really wish they would cut stuff like unfunny gags, musical performances and specially the constant commercials; but there's no way in hell that's happening.
Although most of us watch it for the awards itself, the core audience doesn't care much about it, especially for films they haven't seen, so the entertainment bits are what they're there for (and the hype).
While I was excited to see Arrival winning sound editing, for example, everyone I know was pretty much talking about the tourists arriving at the ceremony, and wondering what they would do in their place (setting aside the BP mix-up because that was an anomaly). Same goes for the performances, since music celebrities surely are more appealing to the people than the winners of tech categories
And the commercials, well, I'm pretty sure they would rather cut presenting fucking Best Picture (certainly Best Director) than cut what makes the money.
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Post by matheusf on Feb 28, 2017 21:23:44 GMT
The year 12YS won was one of the highest rated broadcast. Cause there was a great chance that Gravity would win and it was star packed. I think that Gravity loss broke the camel back and people will keep dropping like flies because it's obvious that political crap that only few big city liberals care to see will keep winning. Well, this year the much popular La La Land had it pretty much locked. If the mere chance of Gravity winning BP ( 12 Years a Slave was by far the favorite) attracted so many people, then you can't blame this year's drop on the BP upset which was extremely unlikely and literally the last thing that happened that night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 21:47:04 GMT
1. Get rid of the foreign film category. What a joke.
2. Those voting should have seen all the nominees.
3. Get rid of the "least hated" film wins.
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Post by elevenx23 on Feb 28, 2017 22:04:45 GMT
Cause there was a great chance that Gravity would win and it was star packed. I think that Gravity loss broke the camel back and people will keep dropping like flies because it's obvious that political crap that only few big city liberals care to see will keep winning. Well, this year the much popular La La Land had it pretty much locked. If the mere chance of Gravity winning BP ( 12 Years a Slave was by far the favorite) attracted so many people, then you can't blame this year's drop on the BP upset which was extremely unlikely and literally the last thing that happened that night. very doubtful that La La Land is playing big with flyovers. It's still a big city movie with bigger big city appeal than Moonlight. Hidden Figures likely has much better crossover appeal being a middlebrow underdog story that everyone can relate to. Neither of them worthy of sitting through excruciatingly boring night to see if it won.
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Post by cornnetto on Feb 28, 2017 22:27:25 GMT
La la land is a story about compromise people have to make between professional life and personal life at is core, that is something a lot of people can relate too in the modern world. What those jobs/private life situation are not that relevant and changed quite a bit in different version of the script (and again when they did cast older actor then expected). If you look at the google trend by US states of La la land and Hidden Figures: trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hidden%20figures,La%20la%20land It is not a perfect metric obviously, la la land could generate interest in people that use internet more, but still I'm not sure what else to use. Utah followed by California and Texas are the 3 state with the most interest for La la land and it does not seem to have a difference between coast and middle america , la la land being more popular in most state except Alabama/Georgia/South Carolina/Virginia/West-Virginia were Hidden Figure seem extremely popular. The most related queries of people looking for La la land was Hidden Figures and vice versa, they seem to share the same audience a lot. Is it just an impression you have, or it is possible to see a state by state box office break down somewhere ?
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 28, 2017 22:29:10 GMT
Kill preferential ballot because it works only in favor of movies that do well exclusively in big cities and nowhere else. That is not a real Best Picture. 12YS, Birdman, Spotlight, Moonlight = #NotMyBestPicture There are terrifically well reviewed big movies that both big cities and heartland embraced. yet preferential ballot will never allow them to win because it favors "important" fad. AMPAS votes for what they think is important to win at that particular moment, not what's really the best or will stand the test of time. No wonder ratings keep going down and they hit second all time low on Sunday. There is literally no way of knowing, since the voting tallies aren't made public, if these films would have won Best Picture under the old way of voting.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 28, 2017 22:59:17 GMT
Get rid of that 5% rule or whatever it was. It really hurts any potential a lot of genre films have at being nominated, like they were in 2009 and 2010.
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Post by elevenx23 on Mar 1, 2017 0:11:33 GMT
Get rid of that 5% rule or whatever it was. It really hurts any potential a lot of genre films have at being nominated, like they were in 2009 and 2010. Exactly, especially since the first change - expanded BP field to 10 - was prompted by TDK snub and meant to help acclaimed blockbusters get nominated.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 1, 2017 2:04:21 GMT
Get rid of that 5% rule or whatever it was. It really hurts any potential a lot of genre films have at being nominated, like they were in 2009 and 2010. Agree.
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Post by michael128 on Mar 1, 2017 2:40:20 GMT
create rules on whats a lead and whats a supporting performance. and then have a 5 person panel for anyone who wants to contest the decision. 5 nominees for makeup. ugh your photo gets me so horny
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 1, 2017 4:33:14 GMT
Get rid of that 5% rule or whatever it was. It really hurts any potential a lot of genre films have at being nominated, like they were in 2009 and 2010. Exactly, especially since the first change - expanded BP field to 10 - was prompted by TDK snub and meant to help acclaimed blockbusters get nominated. It's very ironic that the academy would even make that rule, considering why they expanded the field to ten pictures in the first place. It's also very frustrating, and that's why it has to go.
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Post by phenix714 on Mar 1, 2017 8:59:31 GMT
a) Instead of separate original song presentations, a kind of creatively executed medley getting done with all the songs in a single presentation right before its award is presented. b) Liberace once presented the Original Score category and presented the nominees by briefly playing key notes from each score on his piano. That should be the standard Original Score presentation every year, inviting one great contemporary composer to present. c) Add a choreography award. Choreography is very integral part of a lot of the movies, more so than the soundtrack. It also covers an area totally ignored otherwise in the ceremony. d) Maybe a voice and motion capture performance award, 5 nominees, generd-inclusive, covers motion capture and pure voice performances (e.g. Johansson in Her, Williams in Aladdin). What you mean by choregraphy is a mix of acting, directing and cinematography. It's what we call blocking.
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Mar 1, 2017 11:33:33 GMT
I would like to see some sort of jury. It could change every year and they'd be required to watch all contenders.
The jury could be divided in the respective branches.
Definitely some regulations regarding the difference between supporting and acting.
And I really don't like the idea of campaigning at all. It should be the work that matters!
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Post by fujiwarafan on Mar 1, 2017 16:04:11 GMT
And I really don't like the idea of campaigning at all. It should be the work that matters! On that matter, If it was for me, I would do something to make sure there weren't all these awards which basically want to play the precursors and, despite being deserving or not, you have someone like Ali ending up winning 40 awards and being nominated for 64. This is totally ridiculous. They should stick to BAFTA, GG, SAG and a few others, because the more there are, the less significance they have
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Mar 1, 2017 16:10:29 GMT
No performances of nominated songs, I might even go so far as to say they should drop the category altogether.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 1, 2017 16:26:48 GMT
And I really don't like the idea of campaigning at all. It should be the work that matters! I would do something to make sure there weren't all these awards It is hard to imagine what would that be, make it that you cannot won an Oscar if you have won an authorize price, to make sure people officially refuse any other awards ? Even then, why would those other award care ? Make presure on IMDB, google and other to not talk about the other award and remove them from those type of page ? Sound a bit impossible in a free world, what would have done a governor in charge of AMPAS to close the Italian Online Movie Awards for example ? Not sure it is possible legally.
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Post by elevenx23 on Mar 1, 2017 17:25:31 GMT
No performances of nominated songs, I might even go so far as to say they should drop the category altogether. yes, please. They have Grammy's so compete there.
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