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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 21, 2021 14:41:15 GMT
Should I stop drinking Tequila because I'm not Mexican? And will anyone notice if I bulk buy the budget brands?
Nobody has noticed you for a long time, sweetie...
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 21, 2021 16:49:38 GMT
I don't think that Pacino was whitewashing in Scarface or Carlitos way. The whole thing of latinos started in the late 80s early 90s, and popularizeted around 1998. before the Cuban people were called hispanics or latins. And italoamerican people was called latin too. 40 years ago Pacino should be considerated a latino.- So there is no trouble for an italoamerican portray a hispanic, latino or whatever, they have the same roots. In fact Italian emigrated for all the Americas, including cuba, part of my family came from Sicily.-
What I don't like are irish and brittish actors portraying romans, that's a big issue, I could understand in Shakespeare J. Cesar, because what's matter there is that the actor could say well the sakesperean verse. It's like what Diane Krugger said about Hamlet in Inglorious Bastards. Probably Tarantino has the best answer at to the question.-
Pacino and De Niro should be played the Roman Emperors or The Borgias not Jeremy Irons or Russell Crowe.-
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 21, 2021 16:55:19 GMT
stephen How is Joaquin Phoenix of Latino heritage? He's English /German /French from father's side and Russian / Hungarian from maternal side. At least DiCaprio has Italian ancestors, that's more "Latino". I knew Phoenix and his siblings were born in Puerto Rico, and I had thought one of his family members were of Puerto Rican heritage . . . but yeah, his parents moved there because of the Children of God cult. So disregard what I said there about his casting being more acceptable. But latino are Ius Soli, you are latinoamerican because you were born there, itsn't a race. I don't know Phoenix case, because maybe in his early years he lived like a Puerto Ricean, speaking spanish and eating every typical meal, or he was like a kind of abducted in the cult, and his family had no communication with the boriquas.-
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 21, 2021 17:01:40 GMT
MsMovieStarI remember I liked La strada and I watched it multiple times... Unfortunately the last rewatch happened when I was like 10/12 yo, so about 40 years ago (I could be your grandmother, I know). But I didn't find him out of place, no.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 21, 2021 17:03:23 GMT
How about Pinky, 1949. Highly praised at the time (NYT, Kael) and I think the 2nd highest grossing movie of its year, which is something. The casting of Jeanne Crain is the questionable element now. But I think it's an interesting case. For one, the character has to be so light-skinned that she'd capably pass as white; does that mean they shouldn't have casted a black/mixed actress, no. But does Crain still, for argument's sake, serve the material, I mean, yes. I think her casting hurt the reputation of the film, over the years, more than its quality. Her performance is actually pretty good, especially the first half where she's subtle in a way that feels modern, compared to other performances at the time... she's balancing a new felt pride, with buried shame, resentment, sorrow. Second half she's softened and more one-note. More - we can't blame Elia Kazan bc he came onto the picture post-casting, and disagreed with it too. Can we blame the studio? Sure. But at the same time, was anybody else putting out a major release, vehemently pro-african american? Crain was nom'd for an Oscar, but so was Ethel Waters (!) whose performance is kinda terrific and whose career was given a boost. Kael mentions the film's "vicious undercurrent" - and it's true, its portrayal of racism is effectively conveyed and at times chilling. Its bigger portrait of the South is detailed and builds to at least some surprising suggestions. But it's also sensitive (the grandmother relationship) and by the end moving despite feeling preachy too. So what I'm getting at - I don't think the casting offends more than other whitewashing examples. It's, for that time, at least arguably, understandable. What's damaged is the legacy of the film. Sure it plays on TCM now and then, but there's that "what if" - with an african american lead this would've been more effective, better remembered, a cultural and cinematic milestone? Or is it already that? eg Supreme Court overturned the Texas ban, etc. Pinky was effective because Jeanne Crain was the wasp girl next door.- That movie with a mixed race woman, should have no impact at all.- In fact in south america is very common to give a very white chick the rol of a white slave: black slave mother and white father, have being worked in several films and soap operas.- The main plot is why a young beautiful white woman is a slave, or in Pinky plot how a young beautiful white woman, could have a black mother.-
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 21, 2021 17:07:20 GMT
I don't think that Pacino was whitewashing in Scarface or Carlitos way. The whole thing of latinos started in the late 80s early 90s, and popularizeted around 1998. before the Cuban people were called hispanics or latins. And italoamerican people was called latin too. 40 years ago Pacino should be considerated a latino.- So there is no trouble for an italoamerican portray a hispanic, latino or whatever, they have the same roots. In fact Italian emigrated for all the Americas, including cuba, part of my family came from Sicily.- What I don't like are irish and brittish actors portraying romans, that's a big issue, I could understand in Shakespeare J. Cesar, because what's matter there is that the actor could say well the sakesperean verse. It's like what Diane Krugger said about Hamlet in Inglorious Bastards. Probably Tarantino has the best answer at to the question.- Pacino and De Niro should be played the Roman Emperors or The Borgias not Jeremy Irons or Russell Crowe.- The Cuban Andy Garcia played an Italian American sometimes (the godfather 3, the untouchables). But not all Italians have the Latino look. Take Virna Lisi for instance. When I'm abroad, people never guess I'm Italian, and they directly speak German to my eldest son.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 21, 2021 17:13:26 GMT
I don't think that Pacino was whitewashing in Scarface or Carlitos way. The whole thing of latinos started in the late 80s early 90s, and popularizeted around 1998. before the Cuban people were called hispanics or latins. And italoamerican people was called latin too. 40 years ago Pacino should be considerated a latino.- So there is no trouble for an italoamerican portray a hispanic, latino or whatever, they have the same roots. In fact Italian emigrated for all the Americas, including cuba, part of my family came from Sicily.- What I don't like are irish and brittish actors portraying romans, that's a big issue, I could understand in Shakespeare J. Cesar, because what's matter there is that the actor could say well the sakesperean verse. It's like what Diane Krugger said about Hamlet in Inglorious Bastards. Probably Tarantino has the best answer at to the question.- Pacino and De Niro should be played the Roman Emperors or The Borgias not Jeremy Irons or Russell Crowe.- Giovanna Mezzogiorno that is more a Virna Lisi style was a Colombian in Times in Age of Cholera, and she was better than Bardem in it.-
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Post by MsMovieStar on Oct 21, 2021 17:40:56 GMT
MsMovieStar I remember I liked La strada and I watched it multiple times... Unfortunately the last rewatch happened when I was like 10/12 yo, so about 40 years ago (I could be your grandmother, I know). But I didn't find him out of place, no. Thanks honey, you are ageless, because you are beautiful!
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