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Post by moonman157 on Dec 11, 2018 6:52:09 GMT
has anybody seen this yet?
is based Clint going to save this year from its general mediocrity?
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 11, 2018 12:34:14 GMT
has anybody seen this yet? is based Clint going to save this year from its general mediocrity? he already did
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 11, 2018 18:39:45 GMT
has anybody seen this yet? is based Clint going to save this year from its general mediocrity? he already did true but I want him to do it again
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 12, 2018 21:24:58 GMT
Starts with a 67 on Metacritic
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 17, 2018 23:57:42 GMT
EASTWOOD DELIVERS
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 18, 2018 17:50:36 GMT
watching it over break
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 19, 2018 1:14:40 GMT
This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire.
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 19, 2018 5:42:52 GMT
This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire. lol
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 19, 2018 5:58:49 GMT
I'm in the middle of Breaking Bad right now, and I'm thinking how cool it would be if Clint Eastwood guest starred as a drug mule.
Um, as for the movie... looks good, I guess? Fingers crossed.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 22, 2018 0:47:01 GMT
This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire. How so?
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Post by countjohn on Dec 22, 2018 22:39:54 GMT
I saw the number of comments and assumed there was a discussion going on but no one here seems to have seen it yet. It doesn't reinvent the wheel or anything but it's a solid thriller that is well directed in a workmanlike way as is always the case with Eastwood. At his age he still commands the screen as an actor and turns in one of those old movie star performances which is nice to see since he's one of the last "real" movie stars left. It's also unexpectedly sort of an interesting commentary on men abandoning their families which may come from some guilt on Eastwood's part. I think it's an 8/10 from me. Might end up being one of the better movies this year since not much out there this awards season seems interesting to me right now. It's my second favorite of the year as of now besides Other Side of the Wind but I haven't seen much. This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire. IDK if this is a troll comment but he got along fine with the lesbians and they seemed to be positively depicted and the awkward moment with the black couple was intended to be an example of his character being out of touch.
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Post by morton on Dec 22, 2018 23:24:59 GMT
I saw the number of comments and assumed there was a discussion going on but no one here seems to have seen it yet. It doesn't reinvent the wheel or anything but it's a solid thriller that is well directed in a workmanlike way as is always the case with Eastwood. At his age he still commands the screen as an actor and turns in one of those old movie star performances which is nice to see since he's one of the last "real" movie stars left. It's also unexpectedly sort of an interesting commentary on men abandoning their families which may come from some guilt on Eastwood's part. I think it's an 8/10 from me. Might end up being one of the better movies this year since not much out there this awards season seems interesting to me right now. It's my second favorite of the year as of now besides Other Side of the Wind but I haven't seen much. This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire. IDK if this is a troll comment but he got along fine with the lesbians and they seemed to be positively depicted and the awkward moment with the black couple was intended to be an example of his character being out of touch. I wouldn't score it that highly, but since there was nothing else out at AMC last week that I wanted to see, I went to see it expecting the worst especially with the backlash over it being racist and sexist, and found that it was okay. I get the criticism about how nothing really happens except Eastwood driving back and forth, but that worked for me because I agree that Eastwood is one of the last few movie stars left, so for me he commanded the screen. I also thought he had a reason for doing what he was doing which I've also seen as a criticism for some reason. He's a guy that's always had lots of attention and been the star, and his family no longer wants him especially when he doesn't have any money, and he lost his business that involved being passionate about something that he loves because of technology. So I could see the appeal of earning thousands of dollars for only a few days work would bring especially at his age and point in his life when he's in the frame of mind that he's old and that there's not much worth living for at that point anyways. I did expect it to be more dramatic like the trailer, so I could see why some people may been disappointed expecting a drama but getting more of a dramedy instead. I liked the humor though. As for the backlash, I thought that Earl Stone was like Walt Kowalski in that I don't think it came from a bad place as he has Latino employees at the beginning that he obviously cares for and jokes around with in a politically incorrect manner that friends do around each other. With the drug cartel, he becomes friendly with those at the tire shop, and at least I got the impression that those guys weren't much different from Stone. Both were likely pulled in by the temptation of making large amounts of money in a short amount of time compared to possibly making no money and not being able to support your family, or making very little money in a minimum wage or perhaps less than minimum wage job depending on their immigration status. Then, at some point, they're just in too deep and can't leave the organization. Further, as you pointed out, the awkward moment with the black couple was intended to be another example of him being out of touch. Maybe the "d---" joke wasn't necessary, but again for me, I don't think Stone was saying it out of a place of hate like, "those women are going to hell", but more of a "well I'll be damned. I've seen everything now kind of way." I think his reaction was apt considering his age and living in the midwest in what looked to be a rural area for probably most of his life. I'm not entirely sure about the rural part, but it didn't look particularly urban, and it had the signs that I've seen living in rural midwestern areas like the VFW club being a big thing since there's not much else to do, and all the farmland. I'd probably give it a 5.
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Post by Viced on Dec 22, 2018 23:44:51 GMT
Clint, at 88, delivered a very good movie and a pretty great performance. Pretty remarkable.
There's definitely some clunky scenes and not-so-necessary moments, but it's both entertaining and pretty powerful overall. And the ending is kind of fantastic.
7.5/10 for me..... an easy 8 if some of the iffy stuff was smoothed over.
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 22, 2018 23:50:07 GMT
This movie is incredibly homophobic and racist. Combined with the disgusting news of what he did to Sondra Locke (RIP), I think it's time for him to retire. How so? He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 0:05:13 GMT
He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. Haven't seen The Mule, so no opinion there, but a character in a film using derogatory language doesn't mean the film endorses that character's behavior. It's usually quite the opposite, from what I've seen.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 23, 2018 1:49:57 GMT
I saw the number of comments and assumed there was a discussion going on but no one here seems to have seen it yet. It doesn't reinvent the wheel or anything but it's a solid thriller that is well directed in a workmanlike way as is always the case with Eastwood. At his age he still commands the screen as an actor and turns in one of those old movie star performances which is nice to see since he's one of the last "real" movie stars left. It's also unexpectedly sort of an interesting commentary on men abandoning their families which may come from some guilt on Eastwood's part. I think it's an 8/10 from me. Might end up being one of the better movies this year since not much out there this awards season seems interesting to me right now. It's my second favorite of the year as of now besides Other Side of the Wind but I haven't seen much. IDK if this is a troll comment but he got along fine with the lesbians and they seemed to be positively depicted and the awkward moment with the black couple was intended to be an example of his character being out of touch. I wouldn't score it that highly, but since there was nothing else out at AMC last week that I wanted to see, I went to see it expecting the worst especially with the backlash over it being racist and sexist, and found that it was okay. I get the criticism about how nothing really happens except Eastwood driving back and forth, but that worked for me because I agree that Eastwood is one of the last few movie stars left, so for me he commanded the screen. I also thought he had a reason for doing what he was doing which I've also seen as a criticism for some reason. He's a guy that's always had lots of attention and been the star, and his family no longer wants him especially when he doesn't have any money, and he lost his business that involved being passionate about something that he loves because of technology. So I could see the appeal of earning thousands of dollars for only a few days work would bring especially at his age and point in his life when he's in the frame of mind that he's old and that there's not much worth living for at that point anyways. I did expect it to be more dramatic like the trailer, so I could see why some people may been disappointed expecting a drama but getting more of a dramedy instead. I liked the humor though. As for the backlash, I thought that Earl Stone was like Walt Kowalski in that I don't think it came from a bad place as he has Latino employees at the beginning that he obviously cares for and jokes around with in a politically incorrect manner that friends do around each other. With the drug cartel, he becomes friendly with those at the tire shop, and at least I got the impression that those guys weren't much different from Stone. Both were likely pulled in by the temptation of making large amounts of money in a short amount of time compared to possibly making no money and not being able to support your family, or making very little money in a minimum wage or perhaps less than minimum wage job depending on their immigration status. Then, at some point, they're just in too deep and can't leave the organization. Further, as you pointed out, the awkward moment with the black couple was intended to be another example of him being out of touch. Maybe the "d---" joke wasn't necessary, but again for me, I don't think Stone was saying it out of a place of hate like, "those women are going to hell", but more of a "well I'll be damned. I've seen everything now kind of way." I think his reaction was apt considering his age and living in the midwest in what looked to be a rural area for probably most of his life. I'm not entirely sure about the rural part, but it didn't look particularly urban, and it had the signs that I've seen living in rural midwestern areas like the VFW club being a big thing since there's not much else to do, and all the farmland. I'd probably give it a 5. Eastwood had the presence to carry it but I also thought the driving scenes were tense and suspenseful a lot of the time even though "nothing" was happening. He was an elderly man doing a dangerous criminal activity, so he just felt more vulnerable as a protagonist than a lot of people would. I thought it built suspense through little, realistic things like a couple brief interactions with cops on the highway and in general every time he stopped to eat or get gas or something I thought "shit is this when he gets caught". I guess it's one of those things where some people will get the specific tense vibe it was going for and other people will think it's "just driving". Haven't read any reviews so I didn't know people were saying that. Also didn't know people were saying he had no motivation. The movie specifically gave him reasons for each trip he made initially (saving his friends bar, exc) and then he got addicted to the stream of money, the approval he got from people from "coming into so much money" and probably liked the rush since he was an old man with a boring life. It made total sense to me why he was doing it. As for the "PC" criticisms, I can understand why some people might have found some of the stuff with the narco prostitutes a bit over the top. But on the other hand, they're narco prostitutes so what do you expect? And the relationships with his ex wife/daughter/granddaughter were all well written, so it's not like every women in the movie was a sex bunny like in an old Bond movie or something. If people are mad about the "dyke" line that's stupid. They had just referred to themselves as dykes and he then used the word in reference to what they said. To my understanding that's a word like "queer" or "butch" where it's been "reclaimed" somewhat and whether it's a slur depends on the intent. It's not like the n-word or calling someone a faggot. People thinking it's racist is a little like the Sicario criticisms. It's a movie about Latin American drug cartels so there are going to be a lot of latino drug dealers as characters. But they were depicted like actual people and not as flaming ethnic stereotypes so I don't see what the problem was, this isn't anti-Latino any more than The Godfather was anti-Italian. He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. Haven't seen The Mule, so no opinion there, but a character in a film using derogatory language doesn't mean the film endorses that character's behavior. It's usually quite the opposite, from what I've seen. It should be noted that the "n-word" in question here is "negroes" not the actual n-word. It's archaic so it's awkward when an elderly person still uses it occasionally but I don't really think it's considered a slur.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 23, 2018 1:58:36 GMT
He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. Yes, the character uses the word dyke after he is told “we are not gals we are dykes on bikes” and calls a black family negros and when told that is not a terms used any more he readily accepts that. So once again, how is the MOVIE homophobic or racist?
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 23, 2018 2:04:42 GMT
Something like 7.5/10 but it isn’t easy to rate I don’t think. It’s slightly flawed, but it’s also special and essential.
For one, it’s unprecedented. An 88 y/o directing himself in a major studio pic. Has this ever happened before in history? Also, it started production like five or six months ago, I mean we know Clint works fast but that's fast!
As for the movie I forgave a lot of the little clunky moments and cliches. Clint Eastwood is the draw, and he delivers a remarkable performance that is among his best. There’s some magic in how he straddles between charm and confessional. He's quite hilarious in moments - there's a revel to him that has the abandon of a last hurrah. But he also takes this real-life character and puts the full weight of his past and personal elements into it - that’s what I really loved. It’s a discussion of the broken patriarchal American myth, with Clint ignoring, ruminating, ultimately admitting and taking responsibility for his flaws and his absence. It's really, poignantly, about his presence, or lack thereof, his surrender (sort of a coming-of-old-age) and family atonement.
There's more here too - discussion of his selective morality, prosperity, the drug trade, corruption, labor, race, etc.
Bradley Cooper's section some might consider procedural padding, but it's pretty necessary to the narrative, that, but also highlights themes (compare Michael Pena's very simple, sound explanation of how he balances work and family to Cooper beginning to neglect his own). You could also have fun projecting symbols: the DEA as mortality, chasing down Clint eluding them, the mule run as the cycle and snare of his career, flowers as his legacy....
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 23, 2018 2:10:53 GMT
He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. The bikers refer to themselves as dykes as some sort of team moniker and he says it back affectionately. He says negro which I think we can agree is less severe than the word you suggest. And I'm sorry you found this boring, may I recommend a filmmaker to spice up your level of interest - Bela Tarr.
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Post by Sharbs on Dec 23, 2018 4:07:11 GMT
He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. it's so clear you haven't seen the movie. He says "later dykes" after they introduced themselves as "dykes on bikes" and he says "negro family" and instantly agreed once they told him otherwise. PLEASE WATCH THE MOVIE BEFORE TRYING TO POLITICIZE IT AND BY THE WAY ACCURACY DOESNT HURT EITHER.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 23, 2018 4:25:56 GMT
Glad to see some people on here liking it. Will be seeing it soon, but was apprehensive because of the oddly mixed reviews and all people seem to want to talk about elsewhere is the racial stuff.
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Post by wattsnew on Dec 24, 2018 4:02:48 GMT
He uses the word dyke, calls a black family the n word, etc. Honestly the worst part was just how terribly boring it was. Yes, the character uses the word dyke after he is told “we are not gals we are dykes on bikes” and calls a black family negros and when told that is not a terms used any more he readily accepts that. So once again, how is the MOVIE homophobic or racist? I shouldn't have to explain it if you've already seen it, but here's one of the many articles that does (and better than I would, being a white man). hiplatina.com/the-mule-racist-clint-eastwood/
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 24, 2018 4:12:51 GMT
wow this thread became a mess. Anyway, definitely not planning on seeing this. There's too much stuff in my watchlist to bother with an Eastwood project with lukewarm reviews.
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Post by Viced on Dec 24, 2018 5:17:52 GMT
Yes, the character uses the word dyke after he is told “we are not gals we are dykes on bikes” and calls a black family negros and when told that is not a terms used any more he readily accepts that. So once again, how is the MOVIE homophobic or racist? I shouldn't have to explain it if you've already seen it, but here's one of the many articles that does (and better than I would, being a white man). hiplatina.com/the-mule-racist-clint-eastwood/No one is clicking this shit.
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Post by moonman157 on Dec 24, 2018 6:33:35 GMT
I'm glad some people are liking it. I'm also glad that someone is accusing Eastwood of racism and citing a website named "hiplatina."
I think it's one of the best films released in 2018. As much as I like everything about it on the narrative level, the main appeal for me is the way in which it serves as a remarkably personal statement from Eastwood. He's made a film that feels like a confessional, a raw reflection on his own regrets in life. Casting his real life daughter as his character's estranged daughter is one of the boldest decisions any director made this year. The movie moves through so many moods and ideas with a genuine grace, navigating a complicated tone expertly and without much awkwardness. When it transitions into a weepy melodrama in its final 30 minutes it feels miraculously rational and inevitable. Almost no other movie released this year so completely reduced me to a sobbing mess.
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