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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 19, 2018 18:14:47 GMT
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Post by quetee on Nov 19, 2018 18:22:58 GMT
Well, per Trump being rich and paying less taxes just makes him smart. I think the real issue at hand is that once you look at the actual taxed rate then you will see that a lot of rich people pay less % wise then most people in middle America.
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Post by quetee on Nov 19, 2018 18:24:35 GMT
A lot of that of course is due to creative accounting and knowing the loopholes.
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 19, 2018 19:26:01 GMT
It depends on the tax system of your country. If you are talking about the USA, I don't know their specific tax rate.
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Post by quetee on Nov 19, 2018 20:44:08 GMT
It depends on the tax system of your country. If you are talking about the USA, I don't know their specific tax rate. well, over the ladt few years, based on leaked docs, i've paid more % wise than Trump in taxes. That's wrong on so many levels.
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 19, 2018 21:52:56 GMT
It depends on the tax system of your country. If you are talking about the USA, I don't know their specific tax rate. well, over the ladt few years, based on leaked docs, i've paid more % wise than Trump in taxes. That's wrong on so many levels. In Switzerland, there are federal taxes, state taxes and town taxes. State and town taxes can be determined as a forfeit for the wealthiest people. Basically a city and state can say, if you are a resident here, you'll pay less than in another state. A couple of years ago there was a referendum to abolish this kind of deal and Swiss people voted no. They probably think that having Mr.Ingvar Kamprad (Ikea founder,recently dead) paying less taxes than the average person in percent is better than not having him at all.
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 19, 2018 22:30:55 GMT
Taxation is theft.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 19, 2018 22:33:58 GMT
Oh honey, but if rich people pay more taxes then they won't be rich for long... and then what happens when you run out of rich people?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 20, 2018 4:32:15 GMT
Of course the socialist scum vote yes.
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Post by hugobolso1 on Nov 20, 2018 12:52:13 GMT
I think the Question is wrong. Rich people pay more taxes because they have more goods.
No one pays the same. The Question should be if rich people should pay more % of taxes than ordinary people.
The answer is difficult because usually Rich people is the middle Class, and sometimes even poor people, while trully rich people (1%) some times, pay lesser taxes than Middle Class people according their goods, thanks to fiscal paradise and "philantropic" donations.
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Post by quetee on Nov 20, 2018 20:48:49 GMT
I think the Question is wrong. Rich people pay more taxes because they have more goods. No one pays the same. The Question should be if rich people should pay more % of taxes than ordinary people. The answer is difficult because usually Rich people is the middle Class, and sometimes even poor people, while trully rich people (1%) some times, pay lesser taxes than Middle Class people according their goods, thanks to fiscal paradise and "philantropic" donations. exactly, question is wrong. % is relative. Problem is that quite a few rich people are paying less % wise in comparison of income.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 20, 2018 21:12:27 GMT
Oh honey, some things aren't taxable.
Elizabeth Taylor's jewelry collection was worth $115.9 million (can you imagine?)... and even though I'm sure she earned every penny of it (Seven husbands, countless lovers, etc) she didn't pay tax on it. Some people don't understand money... you have to be smart about these things.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 21, 2018 2:59:49 GMT
I think the Question is wrong. Rich people pay more taxes because they have more goods. No one pays the same. The Question should be if rich people should pay more % of taxes than ordinary people. The answer is difficult because usually Rich people is the middle Class, and sometimes even poor people, while trully rich people (1%) some times, pay lesser taxes than Middle Class people according their goods, thanks to fiscal paradise and "philantropic" donations. exactly, question is wrong. % is relative. Problem is that quite a few rich people are paying less % wise in comparison of income. Depends on the State. In a lot of States they pay more.
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 21, 2018 6:23:13 GMT
^ this. Here are taxes for different income levels in Italy
Under 15.000 euro, 23% From 15.000 to 28.000, 27% From 28.000 to 55.000, 38% From 38.000 to 75.000, 41% Over 75.000, 43%.
You can even debate if you are "rich" when you earn 75.000 and have 3 children for instance. Besides, we don't have deductions.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 21, 2018 15:00:49 GMT
^ this. Here are taxes for different income levels in Italy Under 15.000 euro, 23% From 15.000 to 28.000, 27% From 28.000 to 55.000, 38% From 38.000 to 75.000, 41% Over 75.000, 43%. You can even debate if you are "rich" when you earn 75.000 and have 3 children for instance. Besides, we don't have deductions. Fascists
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Post by hugobolso1 on Nov 22, 2018 2:44:28 GMT
^ this. Here are taxes for different income levels in Italy Under 15.000 euro, 23% From 15.000 to 28.000, 27% From 28.000 to 55.000, 38% From 38.000 to 75.000, 41% Over 75.000, 43%. You can even debate if you are "rich" when you earn 75.000 and have 3 children for instance. Besides, we don't have deductions. Totally unfair. One thing is being the Managment of Benetton, and other totally different thing is being Luciano Benetton.-
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 23, 2018 16:29:43 GMT
of course lmao
flat tax purists are the economic version of climate change deniers at this point
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 23, 2018 17:41:58 GMT
of course lmao flat tax purists are the economic version of climate change deniers at this point You imbecile. There's not enough rich people in the world for a progressive tax to make a real difference. You clearly now nothing about it.
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 23, 2018 21:41:20 GMT
of course lmao flat tax purists are the economic version of climate change deniers at this point You imbecile. There's not enough rich people in the world for a progressive tax to make a real difference. You clearly now nothing about it. ? the net worth of one of the richest people in the world is more than several countries' GDP. higher taxes (that are actually enforced) on rich people will of course mean less strain on the economy for others - the debate is over whether the CEO feefees are more important than socialized healthcare
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 23, 2018 22:28:45 GMT
If you exaggerate, they'll all become Monaco residents, where taxes are 0%.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 24, 2018 0:53:35 GMT
You imbecile. There's not enough rich people in the world for a progressive tax to make a real difference. You clearly now nothing about it. ? the net worth of one of the richest people in the world is more than several countries' GDP. higher taxes (that are actually enforced) on rich people will of course mean less strain on the economy for others - the debate is over whether the CEO feefees are more important than socialized healthcare Jesus Christ!! Taxes are for what's earned not what you already have. If countries are taxing what's already in your bank account then that's just pure stealing. Do you think an extra 5% extra tax on a CEO's earnings will make a difference? And no the debate between a CEO's fees and socialized healthcare is far from over. Socialized healthcare causes nothing but problems.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 24, 2018 0:55:12 GMT
If you exaggerate, they'll all become Monaco residents, where taxes are 0%. Hmm a part of France that's worth living. Almost seems impossible.
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 24, 2018 1:55:33 GMT
? the net worth of one of the richest people in the world is more than several countries' GDP. higher taxes (that are actually enforced) on rich people will of course mean less strain on the economy for others - the debate is over whether the CEO feefees are more important than socialized healthcare Jesus Christ!! Taxes are for what's earned not what you already have. If countries are taxing what's already in your bank account then that's just pure stealing. Do you think an extra 5% extra tax on a CEO's earnings will make a difference? And no the debate between a CEO's fees and socialized healthcare is far from over. Socialized healthcare causes nothing but problems. i'm down with stealing rich peoples' money. even still, if you want to talk about gains, are you honestly trying to make the argument that increasing taxes on the rich has no real economic impact? even ardent rightwinger hillary clinton espoused this, and neoliberal ass NYT has an article on it where they cite economists. www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/putting-numbers-to-a-tax-increase-for-the-rich.htmlshit they outline like pretty well-defined circumstances - an increased 5% tax on the 1% in the US would fund all public college tuition, for example.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Nov 24, 2018 2:28:57 GMT
Jesus Christ!! Taxes are for what's earned not what you already have. If countries are taxing what's already in your bank account then that's just pure stealing. Do you think an extra 5% extra tax on a CEO's earnings will make a difference? And no the debate between a CEO's fees and socialized healthcare is far from over. Socialized healthcare causes nothing but problems. i'm down with stealing rich peoples' money. even still, if you want to talk about gains, are you honestly trying to make the argument that increasing taxes on the rich has no real economic impact? even ardent rightwinger hillary clinton espoused this, and neoliberal ass NYT has an article on it where they cite economists. www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/putting-numbers-to-a-tax-increase-for-the-rich.htmlshit they outline like pretty well-defined circumstances - an increased 5% tax on the 1% in the US would fund all public college tuition, for example. You lost all credibility when you labeled Hillary Clinton and the New York Times as right wing. Also you basically just said you'd do what that mass murdering prick Lenin did after his fake revolution pushed by the German imperial government.
Yeah it'll have an impact as it did in Seattle for companies like Amazon are fleeing for their lives. In California taxes were so high that there was a hell of a lot of people that emigrated to Texas where it's more business and personal income friendly. In my country our corporate was low that we attracted companies like Google to come and set up and base themselves out of it. So yes higher taxes does have an impact for the worse.
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 24, 2018 2:34:28 GMT
i'm down with stealing rich peoples' money. even still, if you want to talk about gains, are you honestly trying to make the argument that increasing taxes on the rich has no real economic impact? even ardent rightwinger hillary clinton espoused this, and neoliberal ass NYT has an article on it where they cite economists. www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/putting-numbers-to-a-tax-increase-for-the-rich.htmlshit they outline like pretty well-defined circumstances - an increased 5% tax on the 1% in the US would fund all public college tuition, for example. You lost all credibility when you labeled Hillary Clinton and the New York Times as right wing. Also you basically just said you'd do what that mass murdering prick Lenin did after his fake revolution pushed by the German imperial government.
Yeah it'll have an impact as it did in Seattle for companies like Amazon are fleeing for their lives. In California taxes were so high that there was a hell of a lot of people that emigrated to Texas where it's more business and personal income friendly. In my country our corporate was low that we attracted companies like Google to come and set up and base themselves out of it. So yes higher taxes does have an impact for the worse.
they're both extremely neoliberal and are pretty capitalist by the nature of their existence. lenin is cool though. seattle pushing amazon out by making their taxes higher to assist with the homelessness epidemic in the city is like such a bizarre thing to use to defend lowered taxes on the rich lmao; i'm well aware of the "businesses will just go wherever they can and fuck over the system however possible" and i would love to see increased moderation on that front, in addition to higher taxes on the upper class so that socialized programs can be paid for.
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