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Post by Viced on Nov 26, 2020 17:44:00 GMT
Kidman and Grant have had some amazing moments, but Donald Sutherland is easily MVP. Completely different old rich dude from J. Paul Getty, but just as great. He's had like 3 scenes here that I'd put up there with the best acting of his career. I can't name many actors who could make that "cocksucker" monologue work but he did it and he did it perfectly. What a legend. Hoping for a second Emmy win. Literally my exact thoughts while I was watching it. And then I rewound it to watch it again.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 26, 2020 20:06:14 GMT
Sutherland is incredible....when he's given something to do (and I don't mean just sitting in the art gallery, which is like the default setting of his character). Which unfortunately isn't often enough.First two episodes, he had nothing really. I was wondering why the hell they would hire Donald Sutherland for such a nothing role. Started seeing glimpses of better character development for him in the 3rd episode. Then the 4th episode was a complete showcase for him, and I was like "give this dude an Emmy". But he more or less disappeared again in episode 5, to the point where I wasn't compelled to even mention him when I reviewed the episode.
Kidman is more or less driving every episode. Even Sutherland's showcase episode, she still had a lot of meat to work with. And Grant as well, just simply gets a lot more to work with than Sutherland and he's nailing it as well. If I had to do an MVP ranking (before the finale. A few spots could change with episode 6, but my top 2 probably isn't shifting at all) it would be:
Nicole Kidman Hugh Grant Donald Sutherland Noma Dumazweni Noah Jupe Lily Rabe Matilda De Angelis Edgar Ramirez
Ramirez has been the most disappointing. He's had a lot of screen time, but been aggressively one-note in how he plays this Detective character. He feels like a budget Javier Bardem. He doesn't ruin scenes or anything, but you'd just hope for a character with such a prominent role to be more interesting.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 28, 2020 6:43:51 GMT
Finally caught up with this show in time for the finale. Cool whodunnit show, which is a genre I like. Interesting ending for episode 5 with the reveal and the show has been pointing at the character for a while now, but something about Grace seems off. There’s obviously that detailed painting of her that Elena done. What, she doesn’t remember posing for that? How can Elena paint a very specific portrait with just briefly meeting her a couple of times. Also, why did Elena keep calling Grace’s phone if Grace claimed she never answered it or talked on the phone with Elena. Plus we keep getting these flash points from Graces POV and it seems she has blackouts occasionally..walking at night at the park, then suddenly she’s walking at daytime and then passes out, with Miguel constantly following her, why does he do that. I don’t know...I’m getting an unreliable POV vibe from our main character, Keyser Soze style.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 28, 2020 10:15:45 GMT
Finally caught up with this show in time for the finale. Cool whodunnit show, which is a genre I like. Interesting ending for episode 5 with the reveal and the show has been pointing at the character for a while now, but something about Grace seems off. There’s obviously that detailed painting of her that Elena done. What, she doesn’t remember posing for that? How can Elena paint a very specific portrait with just briefly meeting her a couple of times. Also, why did Elena keep calling Grace’s phone if Grace claimed she never answered it or talked on the phone with Elena. Plus we keep getting these flash points from Graces POV and it seems she has blackouts occasionally..walking at night at the park, then suddenly she’s walking at daytime and then passes out, with Miguel constantly following her, why does he do that. I don’t know...I’m getting an unreliable POV vibe from our main character, Keyser Soze style. Interesting. Definitely a workable theory. But I think something like Elena being able to do a detailed portrait of Grace is easily explainable. Access to pictures of her on Jonathan's phone. Even doing online searches or stalking any social media Grace might be on, to get pictures of her for a portrait reference. These days, most people have a lot of pictures online of themselves on Facebook or Instagram that can be easily found.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 28, 2020 15:27:56 GMT
Finally caught up with this show in time for the finale. Cool whodunnit show, which is a genre I like. Interesting ending for episode 5 with the reveal and the show has been pointing at the character for a while now, but something about Grace seems off. There’s obviously that detailed painting of her that Elena done. What, she doesn’t remember posing for that? How can Elena paint a very specific portrait with just briefly meeting her a couple of times. Also, why did Elena keep calling Grace’s phone if Grace claimed she never answered it or talked on the phone with Elena. Plus we keep getting these flash points from Graces POV and it seems she has blackouts occasionally..walking at night at the park, then suddenly she’s walking at daytime and then passes out, with Miguel constantly following her, why does he do that. I don’t know...I’m getting an unreliable POV vibe from our main character, Keyser Soze style. Interesting. Definitely a workable theory. But I think something like Elena being able to do a detailed portrait of Grace is easily explainable. Access to pictures of her on Jonathan's phone. Even doing online searches or stalking any social media Grace might be on, to get pictures of her for a portrait reference. These days, most people have a lot of pictures online of themselves on Facebook or Instagram that can be easily found. Yep...that could be it. Hmmmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 15:35:43 GMT
Viced - Did you watch 'Dirty Sexy Money' with Sutherland and Jill Clayburgh on ABC back in the day? It only lasted for 2 seasons, but I loved it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 28, 2020 15:39:47 GMT
Viced - Did you watch 'Dirty Sexy Money' with Sutherland and Jill Clayburgh on ABC back in the day? It only lasted for 2 seasons, but I loved it. That was such a fun, trashy show. I was disappointed when it got cancelled.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 30, 2020 0:45:56 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 0:58:36 GMT
Interesting article from The Guardian explaining why they believe The Undoing has become a smash hit in the UK and globally. The Undoing: perfect whodunnit gripping more than one nation Lucy Mangan David E Kelley show has confidence in its own abilities and offers respite from world’s insoluble problems Do we love or hate Grace’s green coat? And who foresaw this thrilling third act of Hugh Grant’s career? These and more are important questions raised by David E Kelley’s latest creation and HBO’s new hit miniseries, The Undoing. But they all stem from the one thing central to the drama, the one after which the whole genre from which The Undoing so successfully springs is named – whodunnit? Kelley’s show is the tale of the intrusion of murder into the perfect lives of heiress and therapist Grace (Nicole Kidman) and paediatric oncologist Jonathan (Grant) Fraser. When Elena Alves (Matilda De Angelis) – the mother of a scholarship boy at the elite school that the Frasers’ son, Henry, attends – is killed, Jonathan’s affair with her is revealed and he – especially as her boy was one of his patients and he subsequently lost his job when his superiors found out about the relationship – becomes the prime suspect. Prime but, crucially, not only. There are a variety of other well-placed, plausible options. People with the motive and opportunity to murder Elena include but are not limited to: Grace, if she is faking her ignorance of the affair; Elena’s husband, if he found out about it; Henry, who did have suspicions, and Grace’s father, Franklin (a customarily magisterial Donald Sutherland), who has always hated Jonathan and is wealthy enough to have anyone killed/framed/banged up for life on a whim. Also, why exactly is that blonde lawyer friend in it so much for no immediately apparent reason, and why is she so friendly with the prosecutor? Thus, The Undoing has hooked a nation. In fact, several nations. It has piled on viewers with every episode, as those who have watched the previous ones on delay pitch up for the next weekly dose. It’s on course to be watched by 10 million people in its native US, a terrific number in these multiple-platform, fragmented, super-competitive televisual times. It has been the biggest launch for a US drama over here on Sky Atlantic, the top watch on Canada’s streaming service Crave, pulled in the largest premiere figures for Australia’s Foxtel since 2017 (when another Kelley/Kidman collaboration, Big Little Lies, took the crown), and so very much for most markets in between. More valuably, perhaps, even than that, it has seized the public imagination, gaining traction on social media and spawning countless WhatsApp groups that are the equivalent in furloughed and socially distanced 2020 of gathering round the watercooler to discuss the latest twists and turns of everybody’s current favourite story. The whodunnit has always been a popular form, of course, in almost every medium. Edgar Allan Poe’s short story Murder in the Rue Morgue (1841) is often cited as the inaugural written version (though The Three Apples in One Thousand and One Nights may beg to differ), unless your definition maps more neatly on to Wilkie Collins’ The Moonstone in 1868, thought of as the first detective novel. The desire to find out who did A Thing is strong in all of us. We can’t see a problem – even if fictional – without wanting to pursue its resolution. What a would-be bestselling book or hit film or globally popular series must succeed in doing, as The Undoing does, is delivering enough twists to keep us interested without spinning off into wholly implausible realms, and parcelling them out at the right pace. The Undoing had enough confidence in its abilities here to risk sticking to what is now a risky, retro move of broadcasting one episode a week rather than dropping them all at once and letting viewers binge-watch at their own convenience. This only works if your product is good enough to mean the seven days in between are filled with growing buzz rather than interest lost, and it is a gamble that has paid off here in spades. It’s possible too that I am not alone in feeling an odd sort of gratitude and loyalty at being provided with one fixed point around which to structure my lockdown week, especially now that Bake Off has abandoned us. It’s also surely true that we are currently more in need of tales of problems solved and universes ordered than ever before. Just as another formulaic episode of NCIS or Law & Order: SVU always hit the spot after a stressful day at work where no problem seemed to yield to your efforts within 45 minutes plus ad breaks, so now does The Undoing and its ilk offer a respite from the increasingly insoluble problems that surround us. www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/nov/27/the-undoing-perfect-whodunnit-gripping-more-than-one-nation
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 30, 2020 1:24:59 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 1:28:45 GMT
Shouldn't you be posting this utter shit on Perez Hilton or TMZ?Your bullying of this woman has always been pathetic since the IMDB days, but it's pretty tragic this stuff still gives your life satisfaction. It ain't cute sis.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 30, 2020 1:34:36 GMT
Shouldn't you be posting this utter shit on Perez Hilton or TMZ?Your bullying of this woman has always been pathetic since the IMDB days, but it's pretty tragic this stuff gives your life satisfaction. Oh honey, I'm just posting what I read, I didn't write them... Maybe you should get your head out of Nicole's ass and lighten up. Maybe it's you who should be posting your gushing shit on a NK fan board?
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 1:40:46 GMT
Shouldn't you be posting this utter shit on Perez Hilton or TMZ?Your bullying of this woman has always been pathetic since the IMDB days, but it's pretty tragic this stuff gives your life satisfaction. Oh honey, I'm just posting what I read, I didn't write them... Maybe you should get your head out of Nicole's ass and lighten up. Maybe it's you who should be posting your gushing shit on a NK fan board? Ugh....like, I said, you've been doing this online bullying shit of this woman for kicks for years, it ain't cool, and it's one of the reasons I see you as a complete joke. Positivity is always more welcome than negativity. Hatred for hatred's sake ain't cool, "honey". I usually ignore your bullshit anyway. Think I'll just go back to that
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 30, 2020 1:43:38 GMT
Oh honey, I'm just posting what I read, I didn't write them... Maybe you should get your head out of Nicole's ass and lighten up. Maybe it's you who should be posting your gushing shit on a NK fan board? Ugh....like, I said, you've been doing this online bullying shit of this woman for kicks for years, it ain't cool, and it's one of the reasons I see you as a complete joke. Positivity is always more welcome than negativity. Hatred for hatred's sake ain't cool, "honey". I usually ignore your bullshit anyway. Think I'll just go back to that Oh honey, go tell it to the judge and go f uck yourself!
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 1:45:57 GMT
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Post by Viced on Nov 30, 2020 4:01:39 GMT
Somewhat ridiculous but mostly well done finale. The most impressive thing the show did was be so utterly convincing that Jonathan was innocent. There were theories out there that pretty much every other character (including Edgar Ramírez, lol) was guilty... so in the end it was a shock... but a glaringly obvious shock. The Amber Alert and bridge stuff was a bit much for me though. But Grace's heel turn in the courtroom was legendary... though Haley Fitzgerald deserved better.. 7/10 for entertainment value and the cast. I'd go Hugh Grant for MVP overall... I think his casting is actually what makes the show work. Sutherland had the best moments but wasn't in it as much as he should've been. Kidman was mostly great, but not nearly on the level of either season of Big Little Lies. Thought Jupe was excellent in the finale too... and Noma Dumezweni flirted with stealing the whole show.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 5:00:26 GMT
Strong finale. You always worry that they'll fuck up something like this with a weak ending, but they came to play with a very tense and knife edge last episode. Two equally standout performances in this episode came from Nicole Kidman and Hugh Grant. Kidman put on an absolute masterclass in the courtroom, while Grant did some of his best acting of the series, particularly towards the end of the episode. Other than those two Noma Dumazweni again did very fine work and Noah Jupe was also really strong. Donald Sutherland didn't get much in this episode, but was a comforting presence throughout.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 30, 2020 6:12:42 GMT
Suspenseful finale..I was wrong in my analysis/prediction. Kidman and Grant were fantastic. Someone give Noma Dumezwini a big part in a drama tv show/mini series. She’s a force!
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 13:55:49 GMT
The Undoing is on track to become the biggest ever US series launch for Sky Atlantic in the UK, overtaking Game Of Thrones, True Detective, Big Little Lies and Watchmen.
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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 30, 2020 14:15:09 GMT
I liked the finale more than I expected. At this point, it didn't matter who is the killer since there were theories about literally every major character in the show and probably none of them would come off as a surprise anymore but they've done well with the ending. Kidman was great in the courtroom scene and Grant nailed it in the last sequences; awards-worthy performances. Grant showed his darker side occassionally from "An Awfully Big Adventure" to "A Very English Scandal" but he never went this psycho? Sure, he was a cannibal in "Cloud Atlas" but still. Through most of the show, I was thinking it'll take more of a "Extreme Measures" (1996) route and he'll probably be found innocent at the end. The cast deserves all the praise. When the writing got weak, they found a way to elevate it. Noah Jupe will be a bigger star, Lily Rabe did everything that could be done with her character, Noma Dumazweni was such a commanding and charismatic presence and once again we witnessed legend Donald Sutherland's remarkable talent. Overall, it had its flaws but was mostly an entertaining ride.
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Post by notacrook on Nov 30, 2020 20:16:09 GMT
That finale was really gripping and enjoyable, and maybe the show's best episode. It was still frequently ridiculous and melodramatic, and I ultimately don't think the show ever went beyond being a bit of pulp entertainment - but that's absolutely fine! If a thriller has me on the edge of my seat like this last hour did, then its done its job well. Grant was phenomenal here, again delving into new and exciting territories as an actor, and I think he steals MVP from Kidman. She was also excellent though, particularly in the courtroom. The whole cast really elevated this thing (agreed that Noma Dumezwen deserves to be a star), and Bier directed the last 20 minutes to maximum effect. I particularly loved the cross-cutting between Grant's desperate attempts to maintain his charm by singing with Henry and his horrific attack on Elena. I actually really liked the reveal in general, and agree that the show did a great job at making Jonathan seem so obvious that I had completely moved away from suspecting him - similar to the end of Scream in that sense. The ending did feel extremely abrupt to me, even with the episode's extended length - there definitely should have been a few extra scenes to round things out. There's also some untied loose ends that are so common in good-not-great thrillers. Still, on the whole an enjoyable miniseries that was fun to get invested in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 3:02:05 GMT
Did the reveal remind you of Jagged Edge - with Jeff Bridges and Glenn Close ?
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 1, 2020 9:38:17 GMT
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Post by stinkybritches on Dec 1, 2020 14:38:42 GMT
well this was a load of tripe, right down to that terrible finale
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Post by LaraQ on Dec 1, 2020 18:05:43 GMT
My theory about Sylvia being the killer was a total bust.They really did go with the same ending as the book,which was surprising because it looked like it was heading in a totally different direction.Anyway,I loved this,it was high quality trash,my favourite type of tv.
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