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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
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Post by quetee on Oct 7, 2018 20:25:41 GMT
Well hopefully, he doesn't have too much beer on the days that he has to make decisions. The simple fact of the matter is Brett has no integrity and it is a shame that the Republicans don't seem to care.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Oct 7, 2018 20:52:14 GMT
Well hopefully, he doesn't have too much beer on the days that he has to make decisions. The simple fact of the matter is Brett has no integrity and it is a shame that the Republicans don't seem to care. Integrity? You don't know anything about the man.
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 7, 2018 21:18:18 GMT
Well hopefully, he doesn't have too much beer on the days that he has to make decisions. The simple fact of the matter is Brett has no integrity and it is a shame that the Republicans don't seem to care. Integrity? You don't know anything about the man. You choose the dumbest hills to die on.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Oct 8, 2018 1:50:05 GMT
Integrity? You don't know anything about the man. You choose the dumbest hills to die on. The man's reputation is gone based on really insufficient claims of rape and yet you don't even attempt to refute me but make a nothing remark.
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 8, 2018 2:51:13 GMT
You choose the dumbest hills to die on. The man's reputation is gone based on really insufficient claims of rape and yet you don't even attempt to refute me but make a nothing remark. oh god that poor brett kavanaugh who just got sworn in and is now a lifetime member of the highest court in the united states of america how will he ever survive this man's life is absolutely destroyed i've never seen such devastation poor brett Every other day you come in this thread to throw a fit and defend this man as if anything of any actual consequence was ever going to happen to him. It wasn't, it didn't, it won't, and anyone who was paying the slightest bit of attention knew all of that already, so the idea that the most recent Supreme Court Justice of the United States just had his entire life destroyed is the most hysterical thing I've heard all week. Even if we were to completely remove the sexual assault accusations from the equation (which we absolutely shouldn't, and I can't believe this is a point that has to be stressed), he'd still be wholly unfit for the job. He's shown multiple times that he's an unstable, entitled, ultra-partisan hack who has a vendetta against the left and no respect at all for anyone in the opposite side of the aisle or anyone who dares hold him accountable for anything. He has no business being sworn into the fucking Supreme Court if he can't act as an impartial arbiter of the law, which he won't be, by his own admission. He lied under oath and screamed at the representatives conducting the hearing; that was an embarrassing shitshow, and it takes a super-human hatred of abortion, female agency and impeachment of sitting Republicans to see that dishevelled mess and consider him hireable. And as for the sexual assault accusations, this wasn't a criminal investigation. The goal wasn't to prove beyond any reasonable doubt whether or not Kavanaugh is a rapist, it was to determine if he's fitting to sit in the highest court of the land. There was never any way that they'd get to the bottom of any of the multiple instances of alleged sexual misconduct when the FBI outright refused to interview anyone who mattered, including Kavanaugh himself, Blasey Ford and the dozens of people who volunteered to offer testemonies. Of course the claims were insufficient; the bureau with the legal authority to investigate it had orders not to. The only thing that would make them sufficient is if Blasey Ford happened to be sitting on a 36-year-old recording of that night, because no other means of evidence was allowed by the Senate. You think his reputation is destroyed? Let's ask the woman who actually acted civil throughout the entire process, is currently being labeled a liar by an entire party and has the President of her country openly mocking her and using her as a punchline to tickle his voting base. You're kidding yourself if you think anything in Ford's testemony was proven false; at most you can say wasn't proven true, and that's because there were endless obstacles preventing anything resembling confirmation from ever happening. But you've already made up your mind that he's the victim in this situation and his life is somehow in shambles, so go off. I'm sure by next week you'll have found another dumb cause to rant about.
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Post by quetee on Oct 8, 2018 3:06:41 GMT
But but brett had those calendars that's all the proof that any of us needed. Surely, he would have wrote down he had beers and raped someone that might.
His blood flows with integrity. His Yale college friends are the liars. Brett never blacked out. He always check that how many drinks you should have chart and put that many aside.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 8, 2018 10:07:44 GMT
The man's reputation is gone based on really insufficient claims of rape and yet you don't even attempt to refute me but make a nothing remark. oh god that poor brett kavanaugh who just got sworn in and is now a lifetime member of the highest court in the united states of america how will he ever survive this man's life is absolutely destroyed i've never seen such devastation poor brett Every other day you come in this thread to throw a fit and defend this man as if anything of any actual consequence was ever going to happen to him. It wasn't, it didn't, it won't, and anyone who was paying the slightest bit of attention knew all of that already, so the idea that the most recent Supreme Court Justice of the United States just had his entire life destroyed is the most hysterical thing I've heard all week.
Even if we were to completely remove the sexual assault accusations from the equation (which we absolutely shouldn't, and I can't believe this is a point that has to be stressed), he'd still be wholly unfit for the job. He's shown multiple times that he's an unstable, entitled, ultra-partisan hack who has a vendetta against the left and no respect at all for anyone in the opposite side of the aisle or anyone who dares hold him accountable for anything. He has no business being sworn into the fucking Supreme Court if he can't act as an impartial arbiter of the law, which he won't be, by his own admission. He lied under oath and screamed at the representatives conducting the hearing; that was an embarrassing shitshow, and it takes a super-human hatred of abortion, female agency and impeachment of sitting Republicans to see that dishevelled mess and consider him hireable. And as for the sexual assault accusations, this wasn't a criminal investigation. The goal wasn't to prove beyond any reasonable doubt whether or not Kavanaugh is a rapist, it was to determine if he's fitting to sit in the highest court of the land. There was never any way that they'd get to the bottom of any of the multiple instances of alleged sexual misconduct when the FBI outright refused to interview anyone who mattered, including Kavanaugh himself, Blasey Ford and the dozens of people who volunteered to offer testemonies. Of course the claims were insufficient; the bureau with the legal authority to investigate it had orders not to. The only thing that would make them sufficient is if Blasey Ford happened to be sitting on a 36-year-old recording of that night, because no other means of evidence was allowed by the Senate. You think his reputation is destroyed? Let's ask the woman who actually acted civil throughout the entire process, is currently being labeled a liar by an entire party and has the President of her country openly mocking her and using her as a punchline to tickle his voting base. You're kidding yourself if you think anything in Ford's testemony was proven false; at most you can say wasn't proven true, and that's because there were endless obstacles preventing anything resembling confirmation from ever happening. But you've already made up your mind that he's the victim in this situation and his life is somehow in shambles, so go off. I'm sure by next week you'll have found another dumb cause to rant about. I respect your POV and get it and in many ways agree with it even - but I would really dispute that part in bold : Republicans have a valid point (and I'm not a Republican) it may be a cynical one but : if he wasn't confirmed he was open to disbarment and loss of his career for a charge when he was 17. Now we can mock that and say "then don't sexually assault people" but that's what he was facing. Heck it may have been of his own doing anyway but without Senate coverage of him - without an appointment to the Court basically - he was a sitting duck to losing his entire legal career, disbarment and also open to perjury (again you can say so what he did it to himself but it's still true). If he was "never at any real risk" well............see below: What you have here is a replay of November 8 2016. That's when Kavanaugh was appointed - or if not him someone else like him - because this country voted Trump in and you lose for 4 years as a result - if anybody is "dying on the dumbest hills" it's the Democratic party and by extension Dr. Ford too - and I take no pleasure in saying that trust me - but they were always going to lose this fight by bringing those charges (in the absence of a tape in your example) and now you are going to lose the Senate by a greater margin - WTF(!) - why enter that fight to begin with because that fight has even scarier ramifications. 5 of the 9 Justices are appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote - it could easily right now be 6 or 7 younger judges too without RBG and Breyer - you have to win the Presidency and at the very least, if not, win the Senate......
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Post by hugobolso1 on Oct 8, 2018 15:58:38 GMT
Not Guilty. People should denounce in their propper time. You could forgive a poor girl, but not a University PHD
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 9, 2018 2:50:22 GMT
I respect your POV and get it and in many ways agree with it even - but I would really dispute that part in bold : Republicans have a valid point (and I'm not a Republican) it may be a cynical one but : if he wasn't confirmed he was open to disbarment and loss of his career for a charge when he was 17. Now we can mock that and say "then don't sexually assault people" but that's what he was facing. Heck it may have been of his own doing anyway but without Senate coverage of him - without an appointment to the Court basically - he was a sitting duck to losing his entire legal career, disbarment and also open to perjury (again you can say so what he did it to himself but it's still true). If he was "never at any real risk" well............see below: I see your point and I've taken all of that into consideration, but I stand by what I said for two primary reasons. First because what you described is a hypothetical scenario that never really came close to actually becoming fact. For a while there it looked like Flake or Collins miiiight've flipped and voted against Kavanaugh, but at the end of the day they still fell in line and bent to the Party's official position, as they were expected to. Whatever backlash Kavanaugh might've maybe suffered if the circumstances were radically different doesn't really matter much when it comes to a discussion about whether or not his reputation has been unjustly affected. Yes, he might've been disbarred if things had transpired differently, but they didn't and he wasn't, so that doesn't really affect the point I was making. I can in fact conceive of a hypothetical turn of events by which Kavanaugh would've been refused the seat and faced drastic consequences, but that was always a very unlikely result, and it clearly didn't happen, so it has no bearing on my actual argument. And second, while I see the point you're making, you and ITD are talking about fundamentally different things. You're suggesting that Kavanaugh's public image is much worse off now than before he was nominated, to the point where if he'd been denied a seat in the Supreme Court, there's a chance he might've been held accountable and had his career terminated instead of just going back to his previous life and carrying on as usual. (Which is true and I agree with, even if again I must stress that the assault accusations weren't the only factors he had working against him; his behavior during the confirmation process is also a considerable part of why so many were calling for his disbarment, and that behavior, even by itself, is already a substantial factor rendering him completely unfit for the seat, like I said in my post.) ITD, on the other hand, is arguing that even with the confirmation vote having turned out the way it did, the man's reputation has already been completely destroyed beyond repair, all due to uncorroborated accusations that hold no weight. And those are two very different stances, especially considering that he's working off of the assumption that the accusations are a sham orchestrated by people acting in bad faith. I'm obviously not going to deny that the majority of the country doesn't see Kavanaugh in the most favorable light right now, to put it mildly, but the fact remains that he still got the job and has not only the President and the entire Republican Party (even the so-called moderates like Collins) stumping for him, but also common people organizing protests in his favor and defending his honor. Which is why this idea that he's in any way a victim who's had his life turned upside down is ludicrous; he faced no consequences at all for his actions (both the ones during the confirmation process and the alleged ones from 36 years ago), and the rules of the game were rigged in such a way that the FBI was never gonna be allowed to make that even the faintest possibility. Half the country (actually more, according to recent polls) dislikes him and many consider him to be a sexual predator, but (forgive my cynicism) I fail to see how that matters in the current landscape. As long as every single aspect of the political discourse is infected with partisan rope-pulling, there's no way any political figure's reputation will ever be completely clean or completely besmirched. He'll forever be a saint in the eyes of some and a monster in those of others, just like every single public person of sufficient exposure right now. Unless the Democrats can seize that public outrage and use it to win back the Senate and the House, the fact that Kavanaugh now gets to shape his country's legal systems for the next few decades is infinitely more consequential than the fact that there are people calling him a rapist on the internet.
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Post by quetee on Oct 9, 2018 21:08:43 GMT
So Brett hired an all female staff.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 9, 2018 21:18:35 GMT
So Brett hired an all female staff. true bastion of progressiveness
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 9, 2018 21:19:41 GMT
So Brett hired an all female staff. On the one hand, I’m all for progressive moves like that, but it just feels like hilariously hyperbolic damage control.
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Post by quetee on Oct 9, 2018 21:37:33 GMT
So Brett hired an all female staff. On the one hand, I’m all for progressive moves like that, but it just feels like hilariously hyperbolic damage control. exactly. This appears to be his m.o to hire all female clerk staff. It made me side-eye him.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Oct 13, 2018 15:21:04 GMT
So Brett hired an all female staff. On the one hand, I’m all for progressive moves like that, but it just feels like hilariously hyperbolic damage control. You sound insufferable.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 13, 2018 18:03:24 GMT
On the one hand, I’m all for progressive moves like that, but it just feels like hilariously hyperbolic damage control. You sound insufferable. The feeling’s mutual.
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Post by quetee on Oct 13, 2018 20:58:14 GMT
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Post by hugobolso1 on Nov 3, 2018 13:18:09 GMT
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