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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 6, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
He's right . Life's too short . He has nothing to prove to anyone anymore .
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Post by Sharbs on Aug 6, 2018 14:24:22 GMT
it also hightens the chance for a nom
EDIT: also, good for him
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Post by Viced on Aug 6, 2018 14:30:56 GMT
Didn’t we already know this?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 14:31:21 GMT
Never a fan of actors retiring - I just don't get it, unless you can't remember the lines, but I think it raises him for a nod/win.
He's not a fave of mine but he did a lot for the movies and along with Beatty and Jane Fonda is the end of an era. The last of the true movie stars era.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 6, 2018 14:33:00 GMT
Didn’t we already know this? Looks like there's no "going back "this time .
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 6, 2018 14:49:57 GMT
He's had a good long run.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 14:52:42 GMT
Never a fan of actors retiring - I just don't get it, unless you can't remember the lines, but I think it raises him for a nod/win. He's not a fave of mine but he did a lot for the movies and along with Beatty and Jane Fonda is the end of an era. The last of the true movie stars era. I dunno, man. If you don't have the passion for it anymore, why do it? Better to go out on a high note than phoning it in into your eighties. I've never considered Redford one of the great actors of his time. Dependable, sure, but I only think he truly hit personal greatness once: All Is Lost. I've got high hopes for the Lowery, though.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 6, 2018 14:56:02 GMT
Oscar front runner?
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 15:01:50 GMT
Funny how many actors 'announce' their retirement from acting with one last awards season movie in play (I'm looking at you DDL and Clint Eastwood).
Makes me more admiring of Gene Hackman and Sean Connery just shuffling off into the sunset, without an awards season campaign in the back of their minds.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 6, 2018 15:10:03 GMT
Funny how many actors 'announce' their retirement from acting with one last awards season movie in play (I'm looking at you DDL and Clint Eastwood). Makes me more admiring of Gene Hackman and Sean Connery just shuffling off into the sunset, without an awards season campaign in the back of their minds. Didn't Connery quit because he had some serious health issues , though ?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 15:10:18 GMT
Never a fan of actors retiring - I just don't get it, unless you can't remember the lines, but I think it raises him for a nod/win. He's not a fave of mine but he did a lot for the movies and along with Beatty and Jane Fonda is the end of an era. The last of the true movie stars era. I dunno, man. If you don't have the passion for it anymore, why do it? Better to go out on a high note than phoning it in into your eighties. I've never considered Redford one of the great actors of his time. Dependable, sure, but I only think he truly hit personal greatness once: All Is Lost. I've got high hopes for the Lowery, though. I guess with me - a man who has no artistic bones in his body (lol) - I can't understand losing the passion for it. I don't understand why going out on a high note or phoning it in your 80s are the 2 options. But obviously some do lose the passion for it but I don't get announcing it. Just fade away, keep your options open, you're not a plumber, "retiring" belongs to a more mundane life to me. I would want to die like Dick Shawn I guess - dead on stage of a heart attack and the audience didn't fully understand what happened and thought it was part of the show. The romantic in me digs that....I don't dig the closure the "retirement from acting" gives to the public......of course the romantic in me also would dig not dying but I digress. Agree on Redford - All Is Lost is probably my favorite of his and I like him occasionally in - Three Days Of The Condor etc., but in general, as most people know I'm very much a Beatty fan as an actor over him, but respect him for some of his directing and Sundance and all that too.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 15:17:31 GMT
Funny how many actors 'announce' their retirement from acting with one last awards season movie in play (I'm looking at you DDL and Clint Eastwood). Makes me more admiring of Gene Hackman and Sean Connery just shuffling off into the sunset, without an awards season campaign in the back of their minds. Didn't Connery quit because he had some serious health issues , though ? No, I don't think Connery was a health thing. It may stop him now, because he is pretty old, but he could have kept going when he stopped. I don't like this trend of announcing your retirement from acting. It's not one of those professions where you need to do that. Sidney Poitier is another one who just stopped without the need to announce anything. People just figured out he was done.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 15:18:44 GMT
Funny how many actors 'announce' their retirement from acting with one last awards season movie in play (I'm looking at you DDL and Clint Eastwood). Makes me more admiring of Gene Hackman and Sean Connery just shuffling off into the sunset, without an awards season campaign in the back of their minds. I'm inclined not to think Daniel Day-Lewis didn't announce his retirement in hopes of getting one final Oscar out of the deal. Bailing out of the game this early (relatively so, compared to the others you mentioned) makes me think that he just doesn't have the passion for it, and will take a lot of convincing to get back in the saddle. He's kind of been this way as it is since Gangs, only coming out of the woods after Scorsese/DiCaprio begged and pleaded with him to stop making shoes, then as a favor to his wife, then because he was a huge fan of PTA's work, and kept turning down Spielberg's offers to play Lincoln until he got Kushner's script and it felt "right," then practically co-wrote his final film (which by all accounts was his most personally difficult shoot). Nine is the only real outlier, and I suspect he made that because he wanted a nice change of pace and work with some of the best actresses working. But I think if he sought more awards, he'd keep cracking at it the way he was. Openly announcing his retirement (which is something he never did before, despite a lot of contrary statements on that) feels like he's at a crossroads in life and doesn't feel the need to continue with a career he never seemed to really prioritize as a passion so much as a duty. I do expect he'll be back at some point, but after a lot of convincing from someone like PTA. Eastwood's "retired" a couple of times from acting. First, Gran Torino was rumored to be his final performance (and he was royally snubbed that year, regardless of your thoughts on the film itself). Then Trouble with the Curve. Now this. Eastwood's in his late eighties, so I don't think announcing any film as his final work (acting-wise) is that unusual or disquieting. The man's much more passionate about directing, and he's got the work ethic of someone a third of his age. I think announcing retirements like this might bolster ticket sales, for people who want one last chance to see their favorite actors strut their stuff on-screen, but for accolades I don't think they do a whole hell of a lot. Hackman and Connery bowed out after critically drubbed final films, which might very well have disillusioned them with the medium. Hackman refused to work with Scorsese two years later, and even declined to do a voice-over spot for Wolf of Wall Street almost a decade after his retirement. You'd think anyone who was legacy-focused would opt for the safe bet of trying to erase Welcome to Mooseport as a swan song in favor of a Scorsese joint that wound up winning Best Picture, but it doesn't seem to interest him. I can't blame him, though. Guy seems quite happy to crank out pulp Westerns, ride bikes and punch jerks in his sunset years, and why would I want to take that away from him?
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 15:27:24 GMT
Funny how many actors 'announce' their retirement from acting with one last awards season movie in play (I'm looking at you DDL and Clint Eastwood). Makes me more admiring of Gene Hackman and Sean Connery just shuffling off into the sunset, without an awards season campaign in the back of their minds. I'm inclined not to think Daniel Day-Lewis didn't announce his retirement in hopes of getting one final Oscar out of the deal. Bailing out of the game this early (relatively so, compared to the others you mentioned) makes me think that he just doesn't have the passion for it, and will take a lot of convincing to get back in the saddle. He's kind of been this way as it is since Gangs, only coming out of the woods after Scorsese/DiCaprio begged and pleaded with him to stop making shoes, then as a favor to his wife, then because he was a huge fan of PTA's work, and kept turning down Spielberg's offers to play Lincoln until he got Kushner's script and it felt "right," then practically co-wrote his final film (which by all accounts was his most personally difficult shoot). Nine is the only real outlier, and I suspect he made that because he wanted a nice change of pace and work with some of the best actresses working. But I think if he sought more awards, he'd keep cracking at it the way he was. Openly announcing his retirement (which is something he never did before, despite a lot of contrary statements on that) feels like he's at a crossroads in life and doesn't feel the need to continue with a career he never seemed to really prioritize as a passion so much as a duty. I do expect he'll be back at some point, but after a lot of convincing from someone like PTA. I know it wasn't the intention, but when I read this, I get the impression of DDL being like one of those really spoiled hot chicks in teen movies who need to be convinced by the suitor that they are worth her time. He needs that 'convincing' to put out.lol!
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 15:29:00 GMT
I guess with me - a man who has no artistic bones in his body (lol) - I can't understand losing the passion for it. I don't understand why going out on a high note or phoning it in your 80s are the 2 options. But obviously some do lose the passion for it but I don't get announcing it. Just fade away, keep your options open, you're not a plumber, "retiring" belongs to a more mundane life to me. I would want to die like Dick Shawn I guess - dead on stage of a heart attack and the audience didn't fully understand what happened and thought it was part of the show. The romantic in me digs that....I don't dig the closure the "retirement from acting" gives to the public......of course the romantic in me also would dig not dying but I digress. Agree on Redford - All Is Lost is probably my favorite of his and I like him occasionally in - Three Days Of The Condor etc., but in general, as most people know I'm very much a Beatty fan as an actor over him, but respect him for some of his directing and Sundance and all that too. Because art in general relies on passion. It relies on someone finding inspiration in what they are doing and wanting to create something unique, special, and give it their all. Without passion, it isn't art but almost anti-art, surrendering to the commercial aspect of the business. There are actors working today who once enjoyed bountiful periods of greatness in their heydays, but whose performances now feel like pale imitations of their former glory, and what's more, their performances don't crackle and sizzle anymore. It's not anything to do with age, either; there are certain actors who were just as powerful in their seventies as they were in their twenties, if not more so (Paul Newman, for instance). When I see someone like this on camera, who seems to be turning up just to lend their name to a project and collect a paycheck, it feels a waste, especially when the actor seems to be half-assing by doing the bare minimum. I don't believe in "selling out" because it's a job, and it's their livelihood. But if you're going to take the job, show up to play. Don't sleepwalk through a movie like it's beneath you and you know it. You took the job, now own it. Don't get me wrong, Daniel Day-Lewis's announced retirement was a helluva blow to me. He's my favorite actor, responsible for my two all-time favorite leading male performances as well as a slew of others I absolutely adore. Waiting for a new DDL joint felt like an event, something you didn't know would ever come but if it did, you'd bet your ass that I was gonna be there to see it, and multiple times if possible. But I respect his decision because it's his life, and I don't dock points from him being one of the all-timers just because he decided to call it quits. As for Redford, I think he wound up a lot like Newman: he got better as he aged. He's got a few bonafide classics to his name, but in terms of performances, he just never wowed me until All Is Lost. As I said, Mr. Dependable. I do wish he had played the title role in Barry Lyndon, though, as I think he could've done a lot with that role to subvert his movie-star wattage, in a less overt way to how DiCaprio did it in Wolf of Wall Street. It's funny you mention Beatty, who I've never liked and always considered a cut-rate imitation of Redford, and Ryan O'Neal is a cut-rate imitation of Beatty.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 15:31:11 GMT
I'm inclined not to think Daniel Day-Lewis didn't announce his retirement in hopes of getting one final Oscar out of the deal. Bailing out of the game this early (relatively so, compared to the others you mentioned) makes me think that he just doesn't have the passion for it, and will take a lot of convincing to get back in the saddle. He's kind of been this way as it is since Gangs, only coming out of the woods after Scorsese/DiCaprio begged and pleaded with him to stop making shoes, then as a favor to his wife, then because he was a huge fan of PTA's work, and kept turning down Spielberg's offers to play Lincoln until he got Kushner's script and it felt "right," then practically co-wrote his final film (which by all accounts was his most personally difficult shoot). Nine is the only real outlier, and I suspect he made that because he wanted a nice change of pace and work with some of the best actresses working. But I think if he sought more awards, he'd keep cracking at it the way he was. Openly announcing his retirement (which is something he never did before, despite a lot of contrary statements on that) feels like he's at a crossroads in life and doesn't feel the need to continue with a career he never seemed to really prioritize as a passion so much as a duty. I do expect he'll be back at some point, but after a lot of convincing from someone like PTA. I know it wasn't the intention, but when I read this, I get the impression of DDL being like one of those really spoiled hot chicks in teen movies who need to be convinced by the suitor that they are worth her time. He needs that 'convincing' to put out.lol! I mean, the analogy kind of works in its own way. Daniel Day-Lewis won't just put out for anyone. He needs the homecoming king (a great director) to pick him up in a sweet ride (a great script) and take him out for a four-course Parisian meal (a great role in said script). If all those things align, he'll put out, all right, and it'll be unforgettable.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 16:05:13 GMT
I guess with me - a man who has no artistic bones in his body (lol) - I can't understand losing the passion for it. I don't understand why going out on a high note or phoning it in your 80s are the 2 options. But obviously some do lose the passion for it but I don't get announcing it. Just fade away, keep your options open, you're not a plumber, "retiring" belongs to a more mundane life to me. I would want to die like Dick Shawn I guess - dead on stage of a heart attack and the audience didn't fully understand what happened and thought it was part of the show. The romantic in me digs that....I don't dig the closure the "retirement from acting" gives to the public......of course the romantic in me also would dig not dying but I digress. Agree on Redford - All Is Lost is probably my favorite of his and I like him occasionally in - Three Days Of The Condor etc., but in general, as most people know I'm very much a Beatty fan as an actor over him, but respect him for some of his directing and Sundance and all that too. Because art in general relies on passion. It relies on someone finding inspiration in what they are doing and wanting to create something unique, special, and give it their all. Without passion, it isn't art but almost anti-art, surrendering to the commercial aspect of the business. There are actors working today who once enjoyed bountiful periods of greatness in their heydays, but whose performances now feel like pale imitations of their former glory, and what's more, their performances don't crackle and sizzle anymore. It's not anything to do with age, either; there are certain actors who were just as powerful in their seventies as they were in their twenties, if not more so (Paul Newman, for instance). When I see someone like this on camera, who seems to be turning up just to lend their name to a project and collect a paycheck, it feels a waste, especially when the actor seems to be half-assing by doing the bare minimum. I don't believe in "selling out" because it's a job, and it's their livelihood. But if you're going to take the job, show up to play. Don't sleepwalk through a movie like it's beneath you and you know it. You took the job, now own it. Don't get me wrong, Daniel Day-Lewis's announced retirement was a helluva blow to me. He's my favorite actor, responsible for my two all-time favorite leading male performances as well as a slew of others I absolutely adore. Waiting for a new DDL joint felt like an event, something you didn't know would ever come but if it did, you'd bet your ass that I was gonna be there to see it, and multiple times if possible. But I respect his decision because it's his life, and I don't dock points from him being one of the all-timers just because he decided to call it quits. As for Redford, I think he wound up a lot like Newman: he got better as he aged. He's got a few bonafide classics to his name, but in terms of performances, he just never wowed me until All Is Lost. As I said, Mr. Dependable. I do wish he had played the title role in Barry Lyndon, though, as I think he could've done a lot with that role to subvert his movie-star wattage, in a less overt way to how DiCaprio did it in Wolf of Wall Street. It's funny you mention Beatty, who I've never liked and always considered a cut-rate imitation of Redford, and Ryan O'Neal is a cut-rate imitation of Beatty. This is a very good post and it just illustrates the difference in how we see it or I think how any people can see it (maybe). To me Newman was growing as an actor in his 70s - he was a much better older actor in his 50s onward - to me older in general than younger (with the exception of Hud which is monumental imo). So I guess I don't see the passion there even if its right there for me to see because I am looking somewhere else for something else - you're right, but I don't see it - it's that I see the craft that I see and I like the craft of 70s Pacino who has at least 6 or 7 or so stellar performances in his 70s ..........or an 80+ Plummer or, gulp, last year, a 90+ Stanton. If they retire, I miss out I just see it as "fnck get the passion back you idiot!" but I know it's more complicated than that obviously ...........and this topic might be better reserved for me, my therapist and my feelings when I retire from my job.
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Post by quetee on Aug 6, 2018 16:07:25 GMT
Thanks for the memories. I loved Robert in The Sting and Butch Cassidy.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 16:39:36 GMT
This is a very good post and it just illustrates the difference in how we see it or I think how any people can see it (maybe). To me Newman was growing as an actor in his 70s - he was a much better older actor in his 50s onward - to me older in general than younger (with the exception of Hud which is monumental imo). So I guess I don't see the passion there even if its right there for me to see because I am looking somewhere else for something else - you're right, but I don't see it - it's that I see the craft that I see and I like the craft of 70s Pacino who has at least 6 or 7 or so stellar performances in his 70s ..........or an 80+ Plummer or, gulp, last year, a 90+ Stanton. If they retire, I miss out I just see it as "fnck get the passion back you idiot!" but I know it's more complicated than that obviously ...........and this topic might be better reserved for me, my therapist and my feelings when I retire from my job. Retire from your job? To hell with that. You should work until you drop dead, like Harry Dean Stanton. Otherwise, your career achievements mean lesser because you took the coward's way out to get a pension.
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Post by Pavan on Aug 6, 2018 17:35:01 GMT
Now my anticipation for the Old Man and the Gun rises.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 6, 2018 17:39:12 GMT
Good for him, though I'm usually not a fan of actors, no matter how right their intentions are, straight up announcing their retirement though, because it feels like 8 / 10 times it never sticks, and they eventually come out of retirement to do one more film or two, because a "script was too good" to pass up or something. I prefer actors who just retire more quietly without much fanfare.
Also hopefully The Old Man & The Gun is a great "swan song", because I'm a fan of Lowry, and the trailers look promising.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 6, 2018 18:21:50 GMT
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Post by getclutch on Aug 6, 2018 21:28:27 GMT
One of the Greats. Always kept his distance from Hollywood as well. In my mind, All Is Lost was his swan song.
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Post by jakesully on Aug 7, 2018 2:33:14 GMT
Good for him, though I'm usually not a fan of actors, no matter how right their intentions are, straight up announcing their retirement though, because it feels like 8 / 10 times it never sticks, and they eventually come out of retirement to do one more film or two, because a "script was too good" to pass up or something. I prefer actors who just retire more quietly without much fanfare. Also hopefully The Old Man & The Gun is a great "swan song", because I'm a fan of Lowry, and the trailers look promising. Agreed on pretty much all points . I do think its safe to say Redford's last film will be The Old Man & the Gun (he's 81 years old after all lol) . And I do think The Old Man & the Gun will deliver (very confident in it) . Also I just want to say he was great in the Captain America sequel where he kills his house keeper (flat out cold blooded )
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 7, 2018 4:20:59 GMT
Good for him, though I'm usually not a fan of actors, no matter how right their intentions are, straight up announcing their retirement though, because it feels like 8 / 10 times it never sticks, and they eventually come out of retirement to do one more film or two, because a "script was too good" to pass up or something. I prefer actors who just retire more quietly without much fanfare. Also hopefully The Old Man & The Gun is a great "swan song", because I'm a fan of Lowry, and the trailers look promising. Agreed on pretty much all points . I do think its safe to say Redford's last film will be The Old Man & the Gun (he's 81 years old after all lol) . And I do think The Old Man & the Gun will deliver (very confident in it) . Also I just want to say he was great in the Captain America sequel where he kills his house keeper (flat out cold blooded ) Redford was great as Alexander Pierce. I loved his villainous turn in that film. "Want some milk?"
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