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Post by mhynson27 on May 16, 2020 17:17:57 GMT
How is wanting to work with Danny Boyle and Luca Guadagnino 'dubious' and constitutes not using his head? Both of those directors have almost flawless track records and it's good to see Jordan branching out and working with some top tier talent. Inherently every movie is a risk, so why not join a couple with some real fire power behind them. Well sure, everything "could" work out but I'd be intrigued as to why you think the Boyle sounds more likely to be good than bad tbh? I'm dead serious......convince me of that:movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/16363/michael-jordan-methuselah-danny-boyleGuadagnino is coming off a major box-office flop for a high profile remake a WW gross of 1/3 its budget.........(if Jordan does it).......so it could work out......but..... I think these 2 sound shaky at best............so ..........it's dubious to me at least........ I mean I already mentioned it but in case you didn't catch it the first time, I give Boyle the benefit of the doubt because of his track record. Just look at RT, almost all of his films are positive. Additionally, he has shown to be very adapt at meddling in many different genres and he has Simon alongside him writing the script. Also I seriously doubt Jordan gives two shits about whether these films do well at the box office or not considering how good of an opportunity they both are for him as an actor. Pup said it perfectly, these are such good opportunities for a young African-American actor to work with some heavy hitters and prove himself to a lot of people. But why don't you think these would be good moves for him? ConVInCe ME oF ThaT.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 16, 2020 17:30:45 GMT
Well sure, everything "could" work out but I'd be intrigued as to why you think the Boyle sounds more likely to be good than bad tbh? I'm dead serious......convince me of that:movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/16363/michael-jordan-methuselah-danny-boyleGuadagnino is coming off a major box-office flop for a high profile remake a WW gross of 1/3 its budget.........(if Jordan does it).......so it could work out......but..... I think these 2 sound shaky at best............so ..........it's dubious to me at least........ I mean I already mentioned it but in case you didn't catch it the first time, I give Boyle the benefit of the doubt because of his track record. Just look at RT, almost all of his films are positive. Additionally, he has shown to be very adapt at meddling in many different genres and he has Simon alongside him writing the script. Also I seriously doubt Jordan gives two shits about whether these films do well at the box office or not considering how good of an opportunity they both are for him as an actor. Pup said it perfectly, these are such good opportunities for a young African-American actor to work with some heavy hitters and prove himself to a lot of people. But why don't you think these would be good moves for him. ConVInCe ME oF ThaT. One movie sounds utterly stupid (Boyle's) and one director is coming off a failed remake already (to me, I know some like it but it failed commercially and artistically imo). The part in bold is a pet peeve of mine........I hate this line of thinking - Pup actually explained it stupidly rather imo - yeah I really do think a young actor gives 2 shits about box-office actually. Maybe Denzel doesn't nowadays........maybe Sam Jackson doesn't nowadays......but a 33 year old actor at the peak of his career? Yeah .........I think he gives a lot of shits....... We don't disagree that much - we both said they could be good - you are just more optimistic than me. But I'll tell you this much - no one is commenting in the Boyle thread right about what a good move that sounds like........and not many think the Scarface remake is a good idea either....... It's not that odd a POV - AnD iT'S nOt LiKe i'M maKiNg ThIS uP
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2020 17:40:19 GMT
How is wanting to work with Danny Boyle and Luca Guadagnino 'dubious' and constitutes not using his head? Both of those directors have almost flawless track records and it's good to see Jordan branching out and working with some top tier talent. Inherently every movie is a risk, so why not join a couple with some real fire power behind them. Well sure, everything "could" work out but I'd be intrigued as to why you think the Boyle sounds more likely to be good than bad tbh? I'm dead serious......convince me of that: movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/16363/michael-jordan-methuselah-danny-boyleGuadagnino is coming off a major box-office flop for a high profile remake a WW gross of 1/3 its budget.........(if Jordan does it).......so it could work out......but..... I think these 2 sound shaky at best............so ..........it's dubious to me at least........ I mean, what are you wanting from him? Danny Boyle is an Oscar-winning director whose films almost always get at least some notice, and Guadagnino is an arthouse darling. I don't think either is a flawless filmmaker, but it's not like those are in great supply as it is, and Jordan's doing exactly what I'd expect a young actor of his caliber to be doing: taking on a (second) possible franchise where he can headline on his name alone, and taking on a remake of a beloved property that could pay off dividends if it's good. What's wrong with that?
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Post by pupdurcs on May 16, 2020 17:51:18 GMT
Well sure, everything "could" work out but I'd be intrigued as to why you think the Boyle sounds more likely to be good than bad tbh? I'm dead serious......convince me of that:movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/16363/michael-jordan-methuselah-danny-boyleGuadagnino is coming off a major box-office flop for a high profile remake a WW gross of 1/3 its budget.........(if Jordan does it).......so it could work out......but..... I think these 2 sound shaky at best............so ..........it's dubious to me at least........ I mean I already mentioned it but in case you didn't catch it the first time, I give Boyle the benefit of the doubt because of his track record. Just look at RT, almost all of his films are positive. Additionally, he has shown to be very adapt at meddling in many different genres and he has Simon alongside him writing the script. Also I seriously doubt Jordan gives two shits about whether these films do well at the box office or not considering how good of an opportunity they both are for him as an actor. Pup said it perfectly, these are such good opportunities for a young African-American actor to work with some heavy hitters and prove himself to a lot of people. But why don't you think these would be good moves for him? ConVInCe ME oF ThaT. Boyle and Guadagnino are not wildly commercial filmmakers. You are right, in that if he was overly concerned with box office for these particular projects, he wouldn't work with them. He has the Creed franchise in his back pocket (no. 3 has already been greenlit), so he can afford to take more risks and work with less commercial filmmakers. It's one helluva an insurance policy to be the lead/face of a franchise that makes 100s of millions of dollars each installment. Jordan can right now afford the "one for them, one for me" approach espoused by so many movie stars who want to do succesful studio films, but also work on risky projects with renowned auteurs that may not be box-office bangers, but enhance your credibility as an artist.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 16, 2020 17:52:38 GMT
Well sure, everything "could" work out but I'd be intrigued as to why you think the Boyle sounds more likely to be good than bad tbh? I'm dead serious......convince me of that: movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/16363/michael-jordan-methuselah-danny-boyleGuadagnino is coming off a major box-office flop for a high profile remake a WW gross of 1/3 its budget.........(if Jordan does it).......so it could work out......but..... I think these 2 sound shaky at best............so ..........it's dubious to me at least........ I mean, what are you wanting from him? Danny Boyle is an Oscar-winning director whose films almost always get at least some notice, and Guadagnino is an arthouse darling. I don't think either is a flawless filmmaker, but it's not like those are in great supply as it is, and Jordan's doing exactly what I'd expect a young actor of his caliber to be doing: taking on a (second) possible franchise where he can headline on his name alone, and taking on a remake of a beloved property that could pay off dividends if it's good. What's wrong with that? First verse, same as the first : Could be good - could blow. My exact phrase was Jordan possibly engaging in many dubious things lately.Seems like everyone agrees - how much more tepid and lukewarm do I have to be than "possibly" anyway.........a little too much attention being paid to pacinoyes today actually. Down, fellas......have a drink. ......
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2020 18:06:10 GMT
I mean, what are you wanting from him? Danny Boyle is an Oscar-winning director whose films almost always get at least some notice, and Guadagnino is an arthouse darling. I don't think either is a flawless filmmaker, but it's not like those are in great supply as it is, and Jordan's doing exactly what I'd expect a young actor of his caliber to be doing: taking on a (second) possible franchise where he can headline on his name alone, and taking on a remake of a beloved property that could pay off dividends if it's good. What's wrong with that? First verse, same as the first : Could be good - could blow. My exact phrase was Jordan possibly engaging in many dubious things lately.Seems like everyone agrees - how much more tepid and lukewarm do I have to be than "possibly" anyway.........a little too much attention being paid to pacinoyes today actually. Down, fellas......have a drink. ...... Eh, I just think of it as unnecessary doomsaying for an actor in his thirties (an actor of color, no less, who has fewer opportunities available to him as it is) to be taking on projects like this when, on paper, they're the sort of thing that make sense for an actor to maintain his current trajectory. I wonder if, in 1982, hearing that Pacino was working on a Scarface remake would've evinced the same level of skepticism from film fans. Do I think these projects have Oscar-bait written all over them? No. But they make sense to do, because one's a major existing IP and one's a franchise in the making from what I've heard, both of which Jordan would be headlining. That's the important thing. He'd be leading these projects. And in the case of Methuselah, he'd be doing that without the safety net of a previously existing fanbase like Creed or Black Panther. Will they tank? Maybe, who knows. But they make perfect sense to do from where Jordan is in his career.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 16, 2020 18:25:21 GMT
Eh, I just think of it as unnecessary doomsaying for an actor in his thirties ( an actor of color, no less, who has fewer opportunities available to him as it is) to be taking on projects like this when, on paper, they're the sort of thing that make sense for an actor to maintain his current trajectory. I wonder if, in 1982, hearing that Pacino was working on a Scarface remake would've evinced the same level of skepticism from film fans.
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 2:25:03 GMT
Eh, I just think of it as unnecessary doomsaying for an actor in his thirties ( an actor of color, no less, who has fewer opportunities available to him as it is) to be taking on projects like this when, on paper, they're the sort of thing that make sense for an actor to maintain his current trajectory. I wonder if, in 1982, hearing that Pacino was working on a Scarface remake would've evinced the same level of skepticism from film fans.
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something. You keep acting like we're being too harsh on you and that you were just being tepid about these projects but you literally told him to "use your head". That's a bit more than just being tepid. Also, Creed and Black Panther aren't good examples of him having the same opportunities as other actors his age, when both characters required a black actor for the part.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 2:25:30 GMT
Eh, I just think of it as unnecessary doomsaying for an actor in his thirties ( an actor of color, no less, who has fewer opportunities available to him as it is) to be taking on projects like this when, on paper, they're the sort of thing that make sense for an actor to maintain his current trajectory. I wonder if, in 1982, hearing that Pacino was working on a Scarface remake would've evinced the same level of skepticism from film fans.
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something. Robert Pattinson for starters.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 17, 2020 2:47:14 GMT
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something. Robert Pattinson for starters. Also, Jordan has had the incredible good fortune to hook up with a hugely talented and ambitious young African-American filmmaker in Ryan Coogler. Hollywood wasn't looking to give Jordan opportunities. Coogler made those opportunities happen for both of them. It was Coogler that pitched Stallone to make Creed a Rocky spin-off franchise with Jordan in the lead. When Marvel came to Coogler to direct Black Panther, he called up his guy Jordan. So basically, without a gifted African-American filmmaker looking out for him, Jordan never gets to prove himself as a hugely charasmatic and bankable movie star. White Hollywood wasn't going out of their way to give Jordan opportunities, like Robert Pattinson or Ryan Gosling or Timothee Chalamet.Unfortunately, most young black leading men with potential in Hollywood don't have their own Ryan Coogler to shepard their career like he did for Jordan. Hollywood is still about finding a dozen interchangeable white guys named Chris to lead movies Pratt, Pine, Hemsworth, Evans etc. They all get vastly more opportunities than most black leads the same age. Jordan rising to near the top of the heap is an outlier.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 4:23:31 GMT
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something.
You keep acting like we're being too harsh on you and that you were just being tepid about these projects but you literally told him to "use your head". That's a bit more than just being tepid. Also, Creed and Black Panther aren't good examples of him having the same opportunities as other actors his age, when both characters required a black actor for the part.I don't think "use your head" is harsh tbh - but everyone sees things differently - I could say you were "harsh" not saying thanks to me for providing a rumored casting update on the Scarface project .............but I was maybe being unreasonable in my expectations and maybe you (all) are being unreasonable to think "use our head" and "possibly dubious" is some stinging attack that requires multiple responses to my initial post. Um Also I really don't think the fact that Jordan was in films made with huge budgets and enjoyed by all audiences that were uniquely available to some of his race AND that reward him with millions in his asking salary price is necessarily proof of opportunities NOT being available to him in Hollywood in 2020 at 33 years old either.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 4:33:12 GMT
Gee I dunno what would have happened in 1982 but I know that Michael B. Jordan and his 0 Oscar nods (so far) wouldn't get the same slack with skepticism from film fans that they might give to 5 time Oscar nominee in 1982 Al Pacino. Also "Doomsaying" is stretching it- come on - I said "possibly engaging in many dubious things lately"..........tepid comment, raising valid questions about the 2 projects. Also I don't believe - in 2020 - that Michael B. Jordan has "fewer opportunities" because he's a person of color when he's been in Creed and Black Panther - - name me one 33 year old white actor who would get MORE opportunities than him. Ymmv....... On another note stephen I posted an S. Craig Zahler Western novel in Current Obsessions and flagged you - think you might like it......it's .........something. Robert Pattinson for starters.
34 as of 3 days ago - so no. That's "possibly dubious" of you to think I wouldn't have wrote exactly what I wrote exactly the way I wrote it without Pattinson specifically in mind. Too harsh?
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Post by Sharbs on May 17, 2020 5:00:00 GMT
Luca's track record for moi
Suspiria - 10/10 Call Me By Your Name - 9/10 A Bigger Splash - 8/10 I Am Love - 7/10
based on this trajectory his next film will be an 11/10. so ya, I'm pumped for this, remake or not.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 5:50:04 GMT
pacinoyes It's like 6v1 dude, just quit while you're behind
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Post by Sharbs on May 17, 2020 5:58:51 GMT
pacinoyes It's like 6v1 dude, just quit while you're behind ohh shiiitt I hope you’re not including me on that. I’m just stating that I like Luca and he has gotten better with each movie for me. I don’t give a care in the world about someone else’s predisposition on a movie that has yet to even begin production.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 6:13:04 GMT
pacinoyes It's like 6v1 dude, just quit while you're behind Quitting while I'm behind wouldn't seem right in a Scarface thread but I think you totally meant I was winning so that's ok by me I like this song
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 7:22:05 GMT
pacinoyes It's like 6v1 dude, just quit while you're behind ohh shiiitt I hope you’re not including me on that. I’m just stating that I like Luca and he has gotten better with each movie for me. I don’t give a care in the world about someone else’s predisposition on a movie that has yet to even begin production. Haha nah, you're safe from all this
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 7:24:16 GMT
pacinoyes It's like 6v1 dude, just quit while you're behind Quitting while I'm behind wouldn't seem right in a Scarface thread but I think you totally meant I was winning so that's ok by me I like this song Sure Jan, sure. Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at the retirement village at night.
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Post by Archie on May 17, 2020 7:41:18 GMT
Quitting while I'm behind wouldn't seem right in a Scarface thread but I think you totally meant I was winning so that's ok by me I like this song Sure Jan, sure. Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at the retirement village at night.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 17, 2020 8:43:28 GMT
Quitting while I'm behind wouldn't seem right in a Scarface thread but I think you totally meant I was winning so that's ok by me I like this song Sure Jan, sure. Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at the retirement village at night. You are using "Sure" sarcastically and insincerely since you used it twice which suggests a sociopath. You are using "Jan" as a fake term of affection - like "Hon" or "Dear" which suggests a sociopath. You are being blatantly ageist and offensive when you actually have absolutely no idea at all of my real age. You weren't insulted by me on a personal level in this thread at all before you lashed out. What vile racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnocentric terms might spew from you next? Your hate crimes have no place here .......this is a movie board after all.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 17, 2020 10:39:58 GMT
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Post by mhynson27 on May 17, 2020 13:40:01 GMT
Sure Jan, sure. Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at the retirement village at night. You are using "Sure" sarcastically and insincerely since you used it twice which suggests a sociopath. You are using "Jan" as a fake term of affection - like "Hon" or "Dear" which suggests a sociopath. You are being blatantly ageist and offensive when you actually have absolutely no idea at all of my real age. You weren't insulted by me on a personal level in this thread at all before you lashed out. What vile racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnocentric terms might spew from you next? Your hate crimes have no place here .......this is a movie board after all. K.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 10, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
Here's the director talking very much (more like exactly) as he did for his flaccid re-make of Suspiria '77 (I know, I know, it has its fans I was mostly lukewarm on it)....no talk of Michael B. Jordan here. Guadagnino spoke of the desire to adapt Scarface to our times , exactly as the previous two films on the character did: " Howard Hawkes' first Scarface was all about prohibition. Fifty years later Oliver Stone and Brian De Palma made it their version, very different from Hawkes' film. Both films deserve to be on display , like two splendid pieces of a single sculpture. The hope is that our film, more than forty years later, will also offer a new reflection on a character. which represents our obsession with ambition and success. I think my version will fit our times," explained the director.
cinema.everyeye.it/notizie/scarface-guadagnino-sicuro-sara-film-adeguato-tempi-456886.html
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 8, 2020 16:48:38 GMT
Use your head (yeah still funny) Michael B. Jordan.........and use your head too ........Luca Guadagnino because this is him trying to say everything except "Well, I could make a whole lot of money!".......but hey knock yourself out ......Guadagnino talks about the proposed remake, why he likes it, the script .........and what you can expect.
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