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Post by Mattsby on Dec 12, 2021 21:06:13 GMT
S1 was very good, but I didn't like the ending very much. S2 was a lot of time filler but ended strongly......... Can't believe Jeremy Strong, a sad turtle for nearly the whole season, beat the better Cox for the Emmy?? also Cherry Jones gets like two scenes and wins the Guest Emmy? while Holly Hunter is better, scintillating, and got nothing!
S3 is sharp so far. With some of my fav lines yet. "These are relevant donuts." Or the whole "he's piss-mad" stuff killed me. Last week's dinner duel might've been Cox's finest acting of the series yet.
I'll do a cast ranking after tonight's finale (!!) but Matthew Macfadyen is looking at sum MVP-- he's carved out such an insanely funny, uniquely branched character.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 12, 2021 21:10:07 GMT
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-jokeWe haven't posted this?? Lotta debate with the piece. Chastain and Aaron Sorkin have publicly blasted the New Yorker, as well as exec producer Adam McKay who says the article "mocks Strong's passion." Thoughts? For one, major props to Jeremy Strong for getting on the (masterful) editing team of Pacino's Looking for Richard. If it ain't his best career credit so far...
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Post by stephen on Dec 12, 2021 21:16:50 GMT
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-jokeWe haven't posted this?? Lotta debate with the piece. Chastain and Aaron Sorkin have publicly blasted the New Yorker, as well as exec producer Adam McKay who says the article "mocks Strong's passion." Thoughts? For one, major props to Jeremy Strong for getting on the (masterful) editing team of Pacino's Looking for Richard. If it ain't his best career credit so far... If Strong had ever worked for Denzel, he'd have had the MAR trifecta.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 12, 2021 21:23:55 GMT
I'll do a cast ranking after tonight's finale (!!) but Matthew Macfadyen is looking at sum MVP-- he's carved out such an insanely funny, uniquely branched character. Absolutely It'll be a crime if he doesn't win the supporting Emmy for this season.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 12, 2021 21:24:57 GMT
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-jokeWe haven't posted this?? Lotta debate with the piece. Chastain and Aaron Sorkin have publicly blasted the New Yorker, as well as exec producer Adam McKay who says the article "mocks Strong's passion." Thoughts? For one, major props to Jeremy Strong for getting on the (masterful) editing team of Pacino's Looking for Richard. If it ain't his best career credit so far... I really loved this profile and I find the kneejerk reactions from Strong's collaborators hilarious. Never once while reading this did I see it as a one-sided takedown. The profiler seems genuinely fascinated by Strong's eccentricities, and who can blame him!
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 12, 2021 21:51:35 GMT
Any predictions for the finale? I think the Kendall and Logan dinner had such a sense of finality to it that one of them is definitely done for. I mean Kendall could already be dead for all we know but I've seen people speculate that the Kendall thing has been a red herring and that it's actually Logan who gets killed off this season, as his ailing health all season has been building to... My personal prediction since about midseason though is that Kendall dies and Logan feigns indifference which greatly disturbs Shiv and Roman and causes them to genuinely question their loyalty for the first time... It feels like just the right amount of bleak/disturbing for this show and I think would be a plausible note for the season to end on. Curious if anyone else has any other thoughts.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 12, 2021 22:02:51 GMT
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-jokeWe haven't posted this?? Lotta debate with the piece. Chastain and Aaron Sorkin have publicly blasted the New Yorker, as well as exec producer Adam McKay who says the article "mocks Strong's passion." Thoughts? For one, major props to Jeremy Strong for getting on the (masterful) editing team of Pacino's Looking for Richard. If it ain't his best career credit so far... I thought they were all weird for blasting the article tbh - maybe I'm not getting it (?) - like who gives a shit if the article mocked an actor's passion anyway? It's awfully defensive and in its own bubble kind of stuff.......let Jeremy Strong fight his own battles........if he even thinks there's a battle to even fight anyway.........it'll make him a better actor too....... Richard Burton wrote an open letter in defense of Pacino in '79 that was cool (in bold, below) - but I don't think that's me being a hypocrite - he was talking about the work not the method behind it so it had more of a reason for existing. If people "like" you all the time it's not a good thing ......I mean Brando and Pacino are this boards GOATs - and people attacked them in ways they'd never attacked safer actors - attacked them more than any American actors, ever really. It's good .......it's what separates them from several merely "great actors" and I love a lot of actors but the people in that class of Brando and Pacino are like 2 other Americans - period - De Niro and Nicholson - that's it. Brando & Pacino were hardly ever "eager to please" or give performances exactly like you would want..........if I was Jeremy Strong I wouldn't sweat it.......I'd encourage it.........I'm sure he'd like to be in that company............ " one never hears of viciousness anent Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman or De Niro or Jon Voight but one does about Al Pacino - my dear he has - an American film star yet - dared to play Richard III........Mr. Pacino is certainly not lacking in courage, he has my deepest admiration..." books.google.com/books?id=yBP39oBztlcC&pg=PA637&lpg=PA637&dq=richard+burton+criticism+of+pacino+burton+shakespeare+dared+letter&source=bl&ots=8SJBvy9RgO&sig=ACfU3U3RXoEZ7aF52l9gdf7DIFo0veJkWg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS-ujTm9_0AhWwV98KHZUoDB8Q6AF6BAgkEAM#v=onepage&q=richard%20burton%20criticism%20of%20pacino%20burton%20shakespeare%20dared%20letter&f=false
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 12, 2021 22:03:24 GMT
I'll do a cast ranking after tonight's finale (!!) but Matthew Macfadyen is looking at sum MVP-- he's carved out such an insanely funny, uniquely branched character. Absolutely It'll be a crime if he doesn't win the supporting Emmy for this season. I'm still processing bc I just binged three goddamn seasons in less than week-- but I think his perf may be slightly genius?? Funniest character. Likely the heart and soul of the show, as Ibbi said. He's this passable patsy to the family, like an out of league Michael Scott - but we keep seeing new sides to him, you can't guess exactly how he'll play it. Not knocking anyone, but you can kinda predict the Roy family at this point. That's why I like Greg and Tom 'Christmas Tree' Wambsgans (lol) -- outside of the icicle of the Roy upbringing, I love how they're constantly trying to keep aligned with their idea of them, to foolishly funny degrees-- like their often failed vocabulary, how they come around to hinting at what they mean to say but just can't. Macfadyen plays the breakthroughs and release outlets... one, with great comic skill, and also curiously off-center - he's got interesting, intense chemistry with the other actors. And the deliberately played sides, the way he shoots the dial of his presence one way (small, agreeing) or the other (reckless, manic, teasing, confused).
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Post by flasuss on Dec 12, 2021 22:27:18 GMT
Any predictions for the finale? I think the Kendall and Logan dinner had such a sense of finality to it that one of them is definitely done for. I mean Kendall could already be dead for all we know but I've seen people speculate that the Kendall thing has been a red herring and that it's actually Logan who gets killed off this season, as his ailing health all season has been building to... My personal prediction since about midseason though is that Kendall dies and Logan feigns indifference which greatly disturbs Shiv and Roman and causes them to genuinely question their loyalty for the first time... It feels like just the right amount of bleak/disturbing for this show and I think would be a plausible note for the season to end on. Curious if anyone else has any other thoughts. Â
Yeah, I don't see how this season doesn't end with either Kendall or Logan dying, otherwise it might even seem pointless. Some speculated that the big ending would be Kendall revealing whay happened to the waiter, but I don't see Logan not getting away with it if Kendall is alive.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 12, 2021 22:45:51 GMT
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-jokeWe haven't posted this?? Lotta debate with the piece. Chastain and Aaron Sorkin have publicly blasted the New Yorker, as well as exec producer Adam McKay who says the article "mocks Strong's passion." Thoughts? For one, major props to Jeremy Strong for getting on the (masterful) editing team of Pacino's Looking for Richard. If it ain't his best career credit so far... I really loved this profile and I find the kneejerk reactions from Strong's collaborators hilarious. Never once while reading this did I see it as a one-sided takedown. The profiler seems genuinely fascinated by Strong's eccentricities, and who can blame him! Like where were these people when Carey Mulligan was actually getting treated horribly by critics last year. Not sure why Chastain, Hathaway etc. thought this was a battle that needed to be fought.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Dec 12, 2021 23:28:14 GMT
Any predictions for the finale? I think the Kendall and Logan dinner had such a sense of finality to it that one of them is definitely done for. I mean Kendall could already be dead for all we know but I've seen people speculate that the Kendall thing has been a red herring and that it's actually Logan who gets killed off this season, as his ailing health all season has been building to... My personal prediction since about midseason though is that Kendall dies and Logan feigns indifference which greatly disturbs Shiv and Roman and causes them to genuinely question their loyalty for the first time... It feels like just the right amount of bleak/disturbing for this show and I think would be a plausible note for the season to end on. Curious if anyone else has any other thoughts.
There's no way they're done with the cruises scandal/DOJ investigation, so that's definitely coming back around....somehow.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 13, 2021 3:16:37 GMT
Holllllllly hell. What a riveting hour of television. Another failed takeover might feel a bit like history repeating itself, but Tom's betrayal was a goddamn long-time coming. Breathtaking cap to another great season.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 13, 2021 5:15:46 GMT
I get the feeling that Tom is secretly going to be a big player this season, siding with Logan over Shiv (who presumably is teaming up with Kendall now after getting passed over as CEO for Gerri instead). His whole vibe was off in that first episode, especially when he said goodbye to Shiv before boarding the plane. Good fuckin' call, dude.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 13, 2021 12:25:54 GMT
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Post by flasuss on Dec 13, 2021 13:58:33 GMT
My theory is that the show ends with Greg as the Prince Consort of Luxembourg.
Well, maybe not, but a guy can dream.
And yeah, this was a great finale.
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Post by Allenism on Dec 13, 2021 15:51:56 GMT
That Godfather-esque closing shot...
The third season overall felt like it "moved" the least and yet also provided some of the most caustic and discomforting moments of the entire series so far. Not sure yet where I'd place it amongst the other two, but regardless it absolutely flew by and landed with arguably the hardest thud.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Dec 13, 2021 16:06:06 GMT
"I would castrate you and marry you in a heartbeat"
Tom was this season's Kendall, his aloof behaviour and ambiguous motives culminating in a jaw-dropping, last-minute twist. The parallel to The Godfather's ending, with that shot of Logan acknowledging Tom in view of the doorway to Shiv's stunned reaction will be etched in my mind long throughout the wait for season 4. Tom, the subordinate husband whom Shiv has emotionally abused to deal with her own trauma at the hands of her parents, has grown a backbone and outmaneuvered her. Even though I expected that Tom would eventually turn on Shiv, the way the hints were scattered throughout the season was a testament to the show's smart writing and plotting. This cycle of abuse, also seen in Greg's lack of a moral compass when offered an opportunity to further climb the social ladder, is the show's main thesis. The humiliation Shiv felt was more of a blow than losing her shot at running the company, just like Roman's devastation comes from seeing that he'll never get that validation from his father he so desperately sought and despite almost losing his brother in the process, his devotion has been for nothing. Ken is the only one to have some sense of relief, his confession being a rebirth and taking the guilt off his shoulders. I have absolutely no idea what direction season 4 will take and I love that, even if we have to wait until 2023.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Dec 13, 2021 16:06:41 GMT
I get the feeling that Tom is secretly going to be a big player this season, siding with Logan over Shiv (who presumably is teaming up with Kendall now after getting passed over as CEO for Gerri instead). His whole vibe was off in that first episode, especially when he said goodbye to Shiv before boarding the plane. Good fuckin' call, dude. bruh
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Dec 13, 2021 16:08:18 GMT
Also can we give it up for Jeremy Strong this season? Holy fuuuck
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 13, 2021 22:12:05 GMT
Very good, emotional finale. CAST OVERALL: Matthew Macfadyen - the corn-fed basic from Hockeytown Brian Cox - the demented piss-mad king of England Kieran Culkin - the little slime puppy / Nicholas Braun - more-than-a-sprinkle Sarah Snook - pinky, the onion Jeremy Strong - yuppie Robocop / Underrated: Arian Moayed (Stewy), Peter Friedman (Frank), Holly Hunter
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Post by quetee on Dec 14, 2021 23:34:03 GMT
Well, damn Tom. If the Bond people have any sense, they would ask Matthew Macfadyen to be the next Bond villain.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2021 20:41:47 GMT
I'm glad I waited to binge this season. Up to Ep 8 and my god that was the saddest birthday party I've ever seen on TV. I liked-didn't love-seasons 1 and 2 but I've been really loving the character dynamics this season with Kendall taking such an aggressive stance against his family while simultaneously spiraling (yet again) Bojack-style into degradation and self-loathing. Although there have been no weak episodes at all, my favorite so far would probably be Ep 2 "Mass in Time of War" where Kendall tries to win his sibs over to his side. It's a conversational episode with the three mains all in one location (with Logan pulling the strings from a distance) and Kendall is making such an earnest & compelling case that you question multiple times throughout the 60 mins where the chips will fall and if one might actually join him... and then it all comes spectacularly crashing down and having failed Kendall just opens the floodgates of rage on Roman and especially Shiv. How awful, how exciting so far this has been the best season yet to me and I can't wait to watch the finale two eps tonight!
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Post by quetee on Dec 18, 2021 18:42:59 GMT
Unproduced Jesse Armstrong pilot, what do you guys think??? Murdoch
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