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Post by clunkybob2 on Jul 24, 2021 13:25:52 GMT
On a serious note tho I kinda straddle the fence on this one. I do think it is a sad thing and that foetuses should have certain rights. I guess I feel there should be about a two month window. People that act like it's an inanimate object that should just be sucked out without the slightest care I struggle to understand, but at the same time being pro-life ain't exactly a moral paragon to me either. Forcing a woman to follow through with a pregnancy resulting from rape for example is clearly cruel. Complications later in the pregnancy is a harder one, but scrambling a near fully grown baby is obviously a horrible thing to do.
A polarising issue, obviously. For me I just don't feel there is a magic "right thing to do" or that either extreme is without a cruel/sad/immoral aspect. But I do 100% think foetuses should have some kind of rights or protection at least by some point in the pregnancy.
It's a bit like the meat industry for me. I hate the meat industry and factory farming but I wouldn't want to ban meat or even kid myself that that was on the cards. I just think animals should have a good life and be guaranteed a decent life span.
Anyway, basically what I'm saying is I'm glad I'm not a chick.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 1, 2021 21:16:56 GMT
Didn't feel like making a new thread........... but a major development today of course......much discussed and now in effect: (CNN)A controversial Texas law that bars abortions at six weeks went into effect early Wednesday morning after the Supreme Court and a federal appeals court failed to rule on pending emergency requests brought by abortion providers.
The lack of judicial intervention means that the law -- which is one of the strictest in the nation and bans abortion before many people know they are pregnant -- goes into force absent further court intervention.
The law allows private citizens to bring civil suits against anyone who assists a pregnant person seeking an abortion in violation of the ban.
No other six-week ban has been allowed to go into effect -- even briefly. www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/texas-abortion-supreme-court-sb8-roe-wade/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 23:25:08 GMT
If the Supreme Court (5 out of 9 Justices appointed by a President who didn’t win the popular vote) does indeed overturn Roe, there’s definitely a silver lining. There goes an entire third of the Republican party’s platform. The other two being Critical Race Theory and the transgender “boogeyman” in the bathroom.
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Post by jakesully on Sept 2, 2021 0:07:37 GMT
Well damn i don't agree with this at all . IMO there is something very wrong with all these powerful male politicians making these laws that directly affect women & their rights. A slap in the face to over half of the population.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 2, 2021 0:54:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 1:09:32 GMT
This is not about babies. It’s about control. Plain and simple.
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Post by cheesecake on Sept 2, 2021 2:39:50 GMT
I've been shaking my head so much the last couple weeks it's going to fall off. Earlier today I read "My grandmother had more rights than I do" and it fucking stung.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 4:58:14 GMT
I've been shaking my head so much the last couple weeks it's going to fall off. Earlier today I read "My grandmother had more rights than I do" and it fucking stung. Don't worry we all already have less rights now than in 2019, thanks to the Shaina Vairus. We have to wear mask right now.-
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 5:13:55 GMT
Didn't feel like making a new thread........... but a major development today of course......much discussed and now in effect: (CNN)A controversial Texas law that bars abortions at six weeks went into effect early Wednesday morning after the Supreme Court and a federal appeals court failed to rule on pending emergency requests brought by abortion providers.
The lack of judicial intervention means that the law -- which is one of the strictest in the nation and bans abortion before many people know they are pregnant -- goes into force absent further court intervention.
The law allows private citizens to bring civil suits against anyone who assists a pregnant person seeking an abortion in violation of the ban.
No other six-week ban has been allowed to go into effect -- even briefly. www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/texas-abortion-supreme-court-sb8-roe-wade/index.htmlThat's a great news for countries that are not pro-choice. If the abortion is pushed, they will choose the Texas Law and not the French Law (14 weeks), trully in very few countries are allow abortions after 20 weeks.- ANY WAY, AS AN OLD 20 TH LIBERAL IUS NATURALIST I THINK EVERY STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOICE THEIR ABORTION OR ANTI-ABORTION LAW.- Only time knows, if it's a good bill or a bad one, that's the main principle of Ius Naturalism. If Wade vs Raw was so good, we haven't to discuss this for almost 50 years.- I'm against late term abortions, but I respect that law, because was a law made by legislators that were chosen by the people. That's what Democracy means, you get what you choose. Even the People Represent could make illegal laws, and other powers could comptrollers and said no, and that's are the guarantees.-
Us abortion law (Wade vs Raw)is an exception in the world, not a rule. In fact only more pro abortion are maybe woke Canada and definitive China with the one child policy (1979-2015). For many years they forced women for aborts their children, and allows them only to have one son or daughter. And because son are consider good luck, usually they abort girls, not boys.-
Now the Communist Regime allows 2 children, lovely
Pakistani Jameela Jamil is like a mix between Kim Kardashian body and Magda G. Life Philosophy, right?
"I had an abortion when I was young, and it was the best decision I have ever made. Both for me, and for the baby I didn't want, and wasn't ready for, emotionally, psychologically, and financially."
Maybe for the femminist muslim girl, but definitive not for the baby.-
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 2, 2021 5:57:14 GMT
hugobolso Please do us all a favor and and SHUT THE FUCK UP! 😑
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 14:22:18 GMT
hugobolso Please do us all a favor and and SHUT THE FUCK UP! 😑 OK you are right, women have more rights in Pakistan than in Texas.- They already had a Femele Prime Minister in the 90s, and you know what happened to her.-
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 2, 2021 14:23:24 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 14:27:20 GMT
Really quoting someone from a religion that cut the hand for robbery? That killed women for unfaithfull charges, this girl is dumb.-
Almost all Hollywood is nut. At lest in the past, in the 90s they quote Gloria Steinem or Simone de Beauvier, and I'm not admire them, but at least were intellectuals or pseoudointellectuals. I guess that they quote this time Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Judith Butler or even the best seller distopic novelist Margaret Atwood.-But not, woke Hollywood people prefer Pakistani celebrity Jameela Jamil or this unknown libanes activist called Mohamad Safa.-this is what Chloe Bennet hero post 40 minutes agomohamad safa@mhdksafaIn Afghanistan, a father can rape his daughter and collect $10,000 if she tries to abort it after 6-weeks. Wait, sorry, no. That's Texas.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 2, 2021 17:24:45 GMT
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Post by LaraQ on Sept 3, 2021 10:50:47 GMT
Genuinely terrifying to watch what's happening in Texas right now.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 3, 2021 12:47:46 GMT
Genuinely terrifying to watch what's happening in Texas right now. Trully not, women could have abortions after 6 weeks, but they could be demanded for a 10.000 feed, not from the women money, but the doctors, the clinics, ONGS and Hollywood celebrities and Washington Polititians that said donate.- So now donations must be only altruistic, and not hiden way, of making politics without being elected.- Now you can demand President Biden for said that this is unconstitutional and he will provide abortions for women after 6th weeks, , and the judge would give you 10.000 dollars from the president salary.- Or that's I understand, now we can hunt celebrities and polititians, it's a pitty I'm not in Texas, I could be millionare in a couple of weeks.-
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 3, 2021 12:55:34 GMT
Celebrities will never talk or post about how terrible is the States of Texas, because they could be demanded for a $10.000 dollars.-
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 7, 2021 9:13:44 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 8, 2021 17:29:59 GMT
What about women whose uterus has been removed. or woman that have no more more ovums? That women could have an had opinion??? I know it's a meme joke, but still is a very painful and authoritarian, and yep stupid-bad one.- Why women like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden-according to Jen Psaki-, Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, that by age they can't menstruate could talk, and men, specially the ones that have sperm inside can't argue???
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 10, 2021 22:33:50 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 11, 2021 4:54:21 GMT
I have different experience due to a different law system in my country. In Italy we have a decent foster care system. Almost zero newborn babies can't find an adoptive family, even disabled ones. Here surrogate maternity is illegal, as like sperm or ovum donation (to avoid exploitation for money), thus couples who want a child adopt him/her. Lots of our taxes go to foster care system, even if I'd like there were more support for the mothers who decide to keep their baby but have serious financial issues. Actually I'd like to be given the possibility to choose to give their support system my tax money instead of paying for abortions (those are paid by public health system).
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 11, 2021 8:30:57 GMT
Why most of the gay activist are so interest about abortion?? I could understand lesbians that were raped, but beyond that, why is so important for them? Has no sense, for having abortion first they have intercourse with the another sex.-
The answer is simple PROPAGANDA. Because XX pays for LGTBQ activism, now they should be solidary and being in causes, that trully don't affect them.-
And beyond all, Gay people always could adopt children, just not as a married couple, because married same sex couple is something trully new. But single people could adopt according to the Roman Law, that has I guess almost 3.000 years.- In fact the adoption during the Roman Empire, was the most common thing. Men adopt even their son in law. There was Emperor Hadrien who adopt his own lover Antinoo.-
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 11, 2021 17:02:41 GMT
Just once again clarifying that this law amounts to a practically total ban on abortion because although women technically have six weeks, some won't necessarily experience signs of pregnancy that early and others have unpredictable/irregular periods so we're gonna see a lot of pregnant women not realizing they're pregnant until after the deadline. That being said, for everyone else, the window is going to be on average less than two weeks. That's less than two weeks to schedule an appointment, arrange transportation, arrange a way to pay for it, and to take time off work. Less than two weeks. That's unthinkably onerous for any woman but it will be catastrophic for women of color and on lower income brackets. Just reiterating... in a typical 40-week pregnancy, Texan women will have less than 2 weeks to schedule and acquire an abortion. And that's only the women who find out in time.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 11, 2021 17:12:01 GMT
oh, and ultrasound is required 24 hours before an abortion under previous Texas law (so now you have two medical procedures to pay for and schedule in a very short window) and ultrasound usually only detects pregnancy at around 5 weeks. So some experts say the window may be as short as one week and then maybe not even that. The legislation is sadistically designed to give women as little time as possible.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 11, 2021 19:32:05 GMT
oh, and ultrasound is required 24 hours before an abortion under previous Texas law (so now you have two medical procedures to pay for and schedule in a very short window) and ultrasound usually only detects pregnancy at around 5 weeks. So some experts say the window may be as short as one week and then maybe not even that. The legislation is sadistically designed to give women as little time as possible. Solution Buy 2 pregnancy test per month
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