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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 0:56:08 GMT
If a woman ever had, or is about to have an abortion, I hope she has a life full of joy and wonders, without never have to be in the position to feel guilty of this action. AMEN!! 👏🙏👏
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 15:56:33 GMT
Wow, this thread, is, uh... yikes. As for my view, 100% pro-life. The child is a living human. You can make an argument that they need the mother's womb to live, but many of us need prescriptions to keep our lives going, and the argument can just go in circles. There won't be a middle ground that people can ever reach here: no debating will ever convince anyone. I simply believe that people have the right to life, no matter their age or circumstances. And I'm all for abstinence, but abstinence only works if you have a strong moral/religious groundwork built into your philosophy. You can't just tell some random teenager not to get it on "because I say so." So proper education on sex is, alas, necessary. Sooo, your braindead idiocy is not limited to awful tastes in film or music?? Color me shocked!! And a fetus is NOT a human. That's a FACT, backed by science, but even if it was...it's living in a woman's body AND SHE CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS WITH HER BODY. Her rights ALWAYS come first, regardless if the thing inside her is a clump of cells or a human. And anyone who disagrees with this is a piece of shit, period. Oh well, abortion will ALWAYS be legal in America, so I'm glad a miserable guy like you has yet another thing to be miserable about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 16:27:31 GMT
The people in this thread need to chill a bit, damn, like both pro choice and pro life ones.
I personally side with pro choice tho I see some of pro-life arguments. Tho I just want to say a point to the pro-life people that, like, you people consider the fetus to be a living being, right? But like if the sources of abortion are banned for the people that don't want it for any reason and have to get it however, then they would have to rely on getting them from illegal means which in most cases won't be safe at all and puts the mother's life in danger. There will be people who would get an abortion nevertheless and you can't stop them. But by banning it, both the kid and the mother are in grave danger, which is two lives gone, just negating your agenda of saving the baby's life in the first place.
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 21, 2020 17:18:48 GMT
The people in this thread need to chill a bit, damn, like both pro choice and pro life ones. I personally side with pro choice tho I see some of pro-life arguments. Tho I just want to say a point to the pro-life people that, like, you people consider the fetus to be a living being, right? But like if the sources of abortion are banned for the people that don't want it for any reason and have to get it however, then they would have to rely on getting them from illegal means which in most cases won't be safe at all and puts the mother's life in danger. There will be people who would get an abortion nevertheless and you can't stop them. But by banning it, both the kid and the mother are in grave danger, which is two lives gone, just negating your agenda of saving the baby's life in the first place. Don't you think that, if abortion were prohibited (or allowed only in very limited cases), people would use contraceptives more? Nowadays most contraception means are safe.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 18:03:58 GMT
The people in this thread need to chill a bit, damn, like both pro choice and pro life ones. I personally side with pro choice tho I see some of pro-life arguments. Tho I just want to say a point to the pro-life people that, like, you people consider the fetus to be a living being, right? But like if the sources of abortion are banned for the people that don't want it for any reason and have to get it however, then they would have to rely on getting them from illegal means which in most cases won't be safe at all and puts the mother's life in danger. There will be people who would get an abortion nevertheless and you can't stop them. But by banning it, both the kid and the mother are in grave danger, which is two lives gone, just negating your agenda of saving the baby's life in the first place. First of all nobody thinks the mother should die so if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother then the pregnancy has to stop so that's a silly argument. As for your claim that people are gonna get an abortion no matter what then what's the point of laws against murder, theft and rape. It's gonna happen, why try and limit it.?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 18:06:25 GMT
Wow, this thread, is, uh... yikes. As for my view, 100% pro-life. The child is a living human. You can make an argument that they need the mother's womb to live, but many of us need prescriptions to keep our lives going, and the argument can just go in circles. There won't be a middle ground that people can ever reach here: no debating will ever convince anyone. I simply believe that people have the right to life, no matter their age or circumstances. And I'm all for abstinence, but abstinence only works if you have a strong moral/religious groundwork built into your philosophy. You can't just tell some random teenager not to get it on "because I say so." So proper education on sex is, alas, necessary. Sooo, your braindead idiocy is not limited to awful tastes in film or music?? Color me shocked!! And a fetus is NOT a human. That's a FACT, backed by science, but even if it was...it's living in a woman's body AND SHE CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS WITH HER BODY. Her rights ALWAYS come first, regardless if the thing inside her is a clump of cells or a human. And anyone who disagrees with this is a piece of shit, period. Oh well, abortion will ALWAYS be legal in America, so I'm glad a miserable guy like you has yet another thing to be miserable about. Hey Norman Bates! You made this argument yesterday and when I refuted it you couldn't come up with an answer. Just admit defeat.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 21:44:04 GMT
The people in this thread need to chill a bit, damn, like both pro choice and pro life ones. I personally side with pro choice tho I see some of pro-life arguments. Tho I just want to say a point to the pro-life people that, like, you people consider the fetus to be a living being, right? But like if the sources of abortion are banned for the people that don't want it for any reason and have to get it however, then they would have to rely on getting them from illegal means which in most cases won't be safe at all and puts the mother's life in danger. There will be people who would get an abortion nevertheless and you can't stop them. But by banning it, both the kid and the mother are in grave danger, which is two lives gone, just negating your agenda of saving the baby's life in the first place. Don't you think that, if abortion were prohibited (or allowed only in very limited cases), people would use contraceptives more? Nowadays most contraception means are safe. No, we think that IT'S A BASIC FUCKING RIGHT THAT WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE DENIED UNDER ANY FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES!! We think contraception should NEVER be the only option for women. Moreover, I personally think that anyone who like you who would deprive women of such an option, or make it harder for them to receive it, is a despicable & morally reprehensible imbecile. Got it?
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 21, 2020 21:52:02 GMT
Sooo, your braindead idiocy is not limited to awful tastes in film or music?? Color me shocked!! And a fetus is NOT a human. That's a FACT, backed by science, but even if it was...it's living in a woman's body AND SHE CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS WITH HER BODY. Her rights ALWAYS come first, regardless if the thing inside her is a clump of cells or a human. And anyone who disagrees with this is a piece of shit, period. Oh well, abortion will ALWAYS be legal in America, so I'm glad a miserable guy like you has yet another thing to be miserable about. Hey Norman Bates! You made this argument yesterday and when I refuted it you couldn't come up with an answer. Just admit defeat.
Hey Cloverqueef! You didn't refute shit, you regurgitated alt-right crypto-fascist anti-women anti-freedom scientifically-debunked braindead RWNJ talking points, and you did it in a pathetically unconvincing fashion. I didn't reply cuz you FAILED miserably to come up with an argument with any semblance of common sense or rooted in reality. You even lied with the bullshit that 40% of women are against abortion. The vast VAST majority of women are pro-choice. The brainwashed self-loathing disgraces who oppose their own freedom don't represent more than 30%. And abortion IS legal in many parts of Ireland, and WILL be legal in most of it within the next few years. "Admit defeat"?? What's the fucking battle?? No battle going on. I intellectually bitch-slapped the fuck outta of a braindead troll cunt like you, which is all I needed or wanted to do. Period, end of. #urdone
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 21, 2020 23:23:05 GMT
Abortion is awesome! If I become a billionaire, I'll have raffles for free abortions. Fetuses are not sentient!
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 21, 2020 23:53:07 GMT
Hey Norman Bates! You made this argument yesterday and when I refuted it you couldn't come up with an answer. Just admit defeat.
Hey Cloverqueef! You didn't refute shit, you regurgitated alt-right crypto-fascist anti-women anti-freedom scientifically-debunked braindead RWNJ talking points, and you did it in a pathetically unconvincing fashion. I didn't reply cuz you FAILED miserably to come up with an argument with any semblance of common sense or rooted in reality. You even lied with the bullshit that 40% of women are against abortion. The vast VAST majority of women are pro-choice. The brainwashed self-loathing disgraces who oppose their own freedom don't represent more than 30%. And abortion IS legal in many parts of Ireland, and WILL be legal in most of it within the next few years. "Admit defeat"?? What's the fucking battle?? No battle going on. I intellectually bitch-slapped the fuck outta of a braindead troll cunt like you, which is all I needed or wanted to do. Period, end of. #urdone It's like talking to a mentally retarded 6 year old. No Sunshine, American women are 60-40 in favour of abortion, the Rep. of Ireland hasn't legislated for abortion yet and Northern Ireland still bans it (the only thing the DUP are good for the fucking Prods). You haven't rationalised any clear point of view and resorted to uninspiring insults and you use words like 'alt-right', 'crypto-fascist', 'anti-women' and 'anti-freedom' without even knowing what they mean.
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Post by dazed on Jul 22, 2020 0:49:45 GMT
Hey Cloverqueef! You didn't refute shit, you regurgitated alt-right crypto-fascist anti-women anti-freedom scientifically-debunked braindead RWNJ talking points, and you did it in a pathetically unconvincing fashion. I didn't reply cuz you FAILED miserably to come up with an argument with any semblance of common sense or rooted in reality. You even lied with the bullshit that 40% of women are against abortion. The vast VAST majority of women are pro-choice. The brainwashed self-loathing disgraces who oppose their own freedom don't represent more than 30%. And abortion IS legal in many parts of Ireland, and WILL be legal in most of it within the next few years. "Admit defeat"?? What's the fucking battle?? No battle going on. I intellectually bitch-slapped the fuck outta of a braindead troll cunt like you, which is all I needed or wanted to do. Period, end of. #urdone It's like talking to a mentally retarded 6 year old. No Sunshine, American women are 60-40 in favour of abortion, the Rep. of Ireland hasn't legislated for abortion yet and Northern Ireland still bans it (the only thing the DUP are good for the fucking Prods). You haven't rationalised any clear point of view and resorted to uninspiring insults and you use words like 'alt-right', 'crypto-fascist', 'anti-women' and 'anti-freedom' without even knowing what they mean. Did you get that number from a poll?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 22, 2020 1:13:30 GMT
It's like talking to a mentally retarded 6 year old. No Sunshine, American women are 60-40 in favour of abortion, the Rep. of Ireland hasn't legislated for abortion yet and Northern Ireland still bans it (the only thing the DUP are good for the fucking Prods). You haven't rationalised any clear point of view and resorted to uninspiring insults and you use words like 'alt-right', 'crypto-fascist', 'anti-women' and 'anti-freedom' without even knowing what they mean. Did you get that number from a poll? Yeah
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 5:05:21 GMT
First of all nobody thinks the mother should die so if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother then the pregnancy has to stop so that's a silly argument. If the pregnancy itself does threaten the life of the mother then she has the full right to get an abortion instead, no question. But in my argument I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the ones who aren't themselves interested in having the baby to raise or put for adoption, but have to get an abortion anyway but without the laws they aren't able to with the help of medical professionals so they resort to illegal means, so they put their lives in danger just because they were having an abortion because they weren't ready to raise a child or put their bodies through pregnancy (which can be something many women don't want to do) or career based reasons or even maybe the dumbfucks (those people sure exist who don't think it through and decide they just don't want a kid without considering other options, why not, but who are we to stop them anyway)(kinda going away from the point but there are some dumb idiots, yes, who didn't think of the consequences but first, those kind of people shouldn't be responsible for another person in the first place, and second, for one idiot there are 100s of women who don't want the kid for various valid reasons we are preventing them to), and safe means weren't available to them. I didn't exactly understand what you're trying to say from this but just going to try and answer from what I gathered though if you could explain this part better I'd be glad. Black Market exists in spite of the laws. When the person has to get an abortion but there's no other option it's not unreasonable to say that they wouldn't care about the risk those laws put on them, they know that it's very risky and probably wouldn't resort to that if they had the option. But the alternative is something which would be harmful to both (if someone is getting an abortion, they most likely recognise that theirs would be a detrimental environment to raise a child because they understand their situation.) my point exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 5:14:21 GMT
The people in this thread need to chill a bit, damn, like both pro choice and pro life ones. I personally side with pro choice tho I see some of pro-life arguments. Tho I just want to say a point to the pro-life people that, like, you people consider the fetus to be a living being, right? But like if the sources of abortion are banned for the people that don't want it for any reason and have to get it however, then they would have to rely on getting them from illegal means which in most cases won't be safe at all and puts the mother's life in danger. There will be people who would get an abortion nevertheless and you can't stop them. But by banning it, both the kid and the mother are in grave danger, which is two lives gone, just negating your agenda of saving the baby's life in the first place. Don't you think that, if abortion were prohibited (or allowed only in very limited cases), people would use contraceptives more? Nowadays most contraception means are safe. I'm sure they would, but even still accidents are very possible. I do agree that prevention of abortions should be done and proper sex-ed should be taught, but you cant guarantee anything.
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 22, 2020 5:44:32 GMT
Don't you think that, if abortion were prohibited (or allowed only in very limited cases), people would use contraceptives more? Nowadays most contraception means are safe. I'm sure they would, but even still accidents are very possible. I do agree that prevention of abortions should be done and proper sex-ed should be taught, but you cant guarantee anything. If you don't want children at the point that you are ready to get an abortion, you can use contraceptive pills and condom at the same time. It's impossible to get pregnant that way, and you'll avoid sexual transmitted diseases too. And remember abortion is surgery that can't be 100% safe even in a specialized hospital. You can't guarantee anything either.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 22, 2020 16:16:56 GMT
I'm sure they would, but even still accidents are very possible. I do agree that prevention of abortions should be done and proper sex-ed should be taught, but you cant guarantee anything. If you don't want children at the point that you are ready to get an abortion, you can use contraceptive pills and condom at the same time. It's impossible to get pregnant that way, and you'll avoid sexual transmitted diseases too. And remember abortion is surgery that can't be 100% safe even in a specialized hospital. You can't guarantee anything either. Gawd your arguments are whataboutism garbage. Why don't you admit you care more about a worthless unborn not-human clump of cells than you do a woman's life or her autonomy over her body. Despicable.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 22, 2020 19:09:41 GMT
First of all nobody thinks the mother should die so if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother then the pregnancy has to stop so that's a silly argument. If the pregnancy itself does threaten the life of the mother then she has the full right to get an abortion instead, no question. But in my argument I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the ones who aren't themselves interested in having the baby to raise or put for adoption, but have to get an abortion anyway but without the laws they aren't able to with the help of medical professionals so they resort to illegal means, so they put their lives in danger just because they were having an abortion because they weren't ready to raise a child or put their bodies through pregnancy (which can be something many women don't want to do) or career based reasons or even maybe the dumbfucks (those people sure exist who don't think it through and decide they just don't want a kid without considering other options, why not, but who are we to stop them anyway)(kinda going away from the point but there are some dumb idiots, yes, who didn't think of the consequences but first, those kind of people shouldn't be responsible for another person in the first place, and second, for one idiot there are 100s of women who don't want the kid for various valid reasons we are preventing them to), and safe means weren't available to them. I didn't exactly understand what you're trying to say from this but just going to try and answer from what I gathered though if you could explain this part better I'd be glad. You clearly weren't paying attention. My point was if murder, theft and rape are gonna happen no matter what then why would any society make laws against but you're playing stupid.
Then you could say half the planet should abort their babies because they either live in abject poverty or in a war torn country.
And your first paragraph is full of indecipherable gibberish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 6:47:10 GMT
I'm sure they would, but even still accidents are very possible. I do agree that prevention of abortions should be done and proper sex-ed should be taught, but you cant guarantee anything. If you don't want children at the point that you are ready to get an abortion, you can use contraceptive pills and condom at the same time. It's impossible to get pregnant that way, and you'll avoid sexual transmitted diseases too. And remember abortion is surgery that can't be 100% safe even in a specialized hospital. You can't guarantee anything either. Honestly the first para arguments seem fairly reasonable to me, but their implementation is crucial. While I believe that women should have the choice to abort if need be, it does seem better if proper sex ed is taught so that number of unwanted pregnancies hence abortion lessens in the first place. For the second part, though, it is definite that it's much safer to abort via a medical professional than, say, a back alley one. It's not 100% safe for either but it's definitely much safer with someone who has years of training and with sterilised materials etc.
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 23, 2020 10:00:08 GMT
If you don't want children at the point that you are ready to get an abortion, you can use contraceptive pills and condom at the same time. It's impossible to get pregnant that way, and you'll avoid sexual transmitted diseases too. And remember abortion is surgery that can't be 100% safe even in a specialized hospital. You can't guarantee anything either. Honestly the first para arguments seem fairly reasonable to me, but their implementation is crucial. While I believe that women should have the choice to abort if need be, it does seem better if proper sex ed is taught so that number of unwanted pregnancies hence abortion lessens in the first place. For the second part, though, it is definite that it's much safer to abort via a medical professional than, say, a back alley one. It's not 100% safe for either but it's definitely much safer with someone who has years of training and with sterilised materials etc. I was simply pointing out that, just like contraception could fail, even abortions in a hospital can lead to death or permanent damage. I guess percentage are similar. Moreover, I think final costs for health system would be lower if they gave free contraceptives - way less abortions and less sexual transmitted diseases.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 24, 2020 22:25:04 GMT
If you don't want children at the point that you are ready to get an abortion, you can use contraceptive pills and condom at the same time. It's impossible to get pregnant that way, and you'll avoid sexual transmitted diseases too. And remember abortion is surgery that can't be 100% safe even in a specialized hospital. You can't guarantee anything either. Gawd your arguments are whataboutism garbage. Why don't you admit you care more about a worthless unborn not-human clump of cells than you do a woman's life or her autonomy over her body. Despicable. Not human is it
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Post by cherry68 on Jul 24, 2020 22:37:55 GMT
Gawd your arguments are whataboutism garbage. Why don't you admit you care more about a worthless unborn not-human clump of cells than you do a woman's life or her autonomy over her body. Despicable. Not human is itI remember when I saw the first echography of my eldest son, 7 weeks after conception. I wasn't expecting he could move that much.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 24, 2020 23:46:34 GMT
I remember when I saw the first echography of my eldest son, 7 weeks after conception. I wasn't expecting he could move that much. And that little psycho fucker says he's not human.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 24, 2020 23:54:13 GMT
I remember when I saw the first echography of my eldest son, 7 weeks after conception. I wasn't expecting he could move that much. Yeah, it moves a lot for a non-human unliving clump of cells, which is what it is. NOT A HUMAN!! With you anti-choice fascist self-loathing bitches making such piss poor arguments against abortion, it's no wonder the common-sense pro-science pro-women pro-choice side has been BEATING THE SHIT out of your side, in both debates and laws that are passed, for so many years.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 28, 2021 17:21:49 GMT
I'd hate to be a woman in Poland
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 30, 2021 5:25:30 GMT
I remember when I saw the first echography of my eldest son, 7 weeks after conception. I wasn't expecting he could move that much. Yeah, it moves a lot for a non-human unliving clump of cells, which is what it is. NOT A HUMAN!! With you anti-choice fascist self-loathing bitches making such piss poor arguments against abortion, it's no wonder the common-sense pro-science pro-women pro-choice side has been BEATING THE SHIT out of your side, in both debates and laws that are passed, for so many years. No darling, pro choice are not pro-science, just paid more.-
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