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Post by IceTruckDexter on Mar 12, 2017 23:58:40 GMT
People who work for Planned Parenthood work in the child murder business so I wouldn't exactly shed a tear for any of them. Do you wear clothes from major retailers? Because if you do, you're supporting the child labor industry. I also support war but that doesn't mean I condone the mass murder of innocent children unlike you.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 13, 2017 4:03:59 GMT
Do you wear clothes from major retailers? Because if you do, you're supporting the child labor industry. I also support war but that doesn't mean I condone the mass murder of innocent children unlike you. So you're fine with mass murder, just not of innocent children.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Mar 13, 2017 4:11:09 GMT
I also support war but that doesn't mean I condone the mass murder of innocent children unlike you. So you're fine with mass murder, just not of innocent children. Pretty much. I don't care much for the pestilence. You're more likely gonna emotion out of me from fictional characters than real people.
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Post by erickeitel on Mar 13, 2017 18:11:14 GMT
And people like you help support my standpoint. The child's emotional and mental lives have to have value too, not just a physical one.
The problem with war is that innocent child civilians can and do get killed in the process, so your argument about their lives having value is null and void. Thanks for canceling it out!
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Mar 14, 2017 2:06:05 GMT
And people like you help support my standpoint. The child's emotional and mental lives have to have value too, not just a physical one. The problem with war is that innocent child civilians can and do get killed in the process, so your argument about their lives having value is null and void. Thanks for canceling it out! I never said they have value because I don't value human life. It's just instinct for me not to hurt children. Also by your dumb cunt argument any child who grew up with a hard life or had some emotional problems shoulda been aborted because life would be too hard for them.
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Post by erickeitel on Mar 14, 2017 2:51:58 GMT
And people like you help support my standpoint. The child's emotional and mental lives have to have value too, not just a physical one. The problem with war is that innocent child civilians can and do get killed in the process, so your argument about their lives having value is null and void. Thanks for canceling it out! I never said they have value because I don't value human life. It's just instinct for me not to hurt children. Also by your dumb cunt argument any child who grew up with a hard life or had some emotional problems shoulda been aborted because life would be too hard for them. Why, do you think I was talking about you? I wasn't. You're too emotional to have this conversation. You should go to Tumblr. They'd love to hear you wallow in your misery.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Mar 14, 2017 4:14:35 GMT
I never said they have value because I don't value human life. It's just instinct for me not to hurt children. Also by your dumb cunt argument any child who grew up with a hard life or had some emotional problems shoulda been aborted because life would be too hard for them. Why, do you think I was talking about you? I wasn't. You're too emotional to have this conversation. You should go to Tumblr. They'd love to hear you wallow in your misery. Ah no comeback. I guess victory is mine.
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Post by erickeitel on Mar 14, 2017 12:00:08 GMT
Why, do you think I was talking about you? I wasn't. You're too emotional to have this conversation. You should go to Tumblr. They'd love to hear you wallow in your misery. Ah no comeback. I guess victory is mine. More like you're just looking to project your miseries as you've been doing for the past five to seven years, and you're not attentive enough to have an actual conversation.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Mar 14, 2017 14:04:49 GMT
Ah no comeback. I guess victory is mine. More like you're just looking to project your miseries as you've been doing for the past five to seven years, and you're not attentive enough to have an actual conversation. You might wanna give up your amateur career of being a shrink.
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Post by erickeitel on Mar 15, 2017 12:26:53 GMT
And you might wanna give up your amateur career being a shock jock, since your only audience member is urbanpatrician (Freak?).
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 29, 2019 12:46:09 GMT
100% Pro-choice.
#mybodymychoice #staythefuckawayfrommywomb
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Post by pacinoyes on May 29, 2019 12:59:40 GMT
Hnmmmmmm, I never knew we had this thread. As I've said in the "heartbeat" thread - I think I'm in the minority, I see it as a strictly legal issue - so I'm pro-choice but I don't delude myself that there's any ethical ground to stand on or that morally the logic isn't entirely on the pro-life side. I merely feel that it's a right to privacy issue - and of course there are those who would argue you don't have the right under the US Constitution. Still, I believe you do, and the rights of the adult outweigh the rights of the unborn child (and that's what it is to me not any other term). That is a very unpleasant idea to articulate, but that's the only pro-choice position that makes any sort of logic to me - and it's the one I have. It doesn't fill me with any defiance, it rather makes me sad but many legal things do I recently posted about the film "A Man For All Seasons" in the "Performances That Stick With You" thread, and Paul Scofield's and why it does .......that would be a film and a post to reference since generally movies are what we talk about here btw.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 29, 2019 13:31:33 GMT
100% Pro-choice. #mybodymychoice #staythefuckawayfrommywomb You use to call me evil and a psychopath. I now have vindication in calling you evil. To think I wanted to sex you.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 29, 2019 13:37:02 GMT
100% Pro-choice. #mybodymychoice #staythefuckawayfrommywomb You use to call me evil and a psychopath. I now have vindication in calling you evil. To think I wanted to sex you. Thank you for this lovely compliment. Upsetting worthless morons like yourself is one of the biggest perks of being alive. 😘👌
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 29, 2019 13:40:32 GMT
You use to call me evil and a psychopath. I now have vindication in calling you evil. To think I wanted to sex you. Thank you for this lovely compliment. Upsetting your worthless morons like yourself is one of the biggest perks of being alive. 😘👌 You've just agreed that you're evil Sunshine.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 29, 2019 13:43:04 GMT
Thank you for this lovely compliment. Upsetting your worthless morons like yourself is one of the biggest perks of being alive. 😘👌 You've just agreed that you're evil Sunshine. You got that right, Clover Leaf! And you have seen nothing yet😈😈😈😈
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 29, 2019 14:21:18 GMT
You've just agreed that you're evil Sunshine. You got that right, Clover Leaf! And you have seen nothing yet😈😈😈😈 Fair enough at least you admit it.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 4, 2020 15:11:33 GMT
Wow, this thread, is, uh... yikes.
As for my view, 100% pro-life. The child is a living human. You can make an argument that they need the mother's womb to live, but many of us need prescriptions to keep our lives going, and the argument can just go in circles. There won't be a middle ground that people can ever reach here: no debating will ever convince anyone. I simply believe that people have the right to life, no matter their age or circumstances.
And I'm all for abstinence, but abstinence only works if you have a strong moral/religious groundwork built into your philosophy. You can't just tell some random teenager not to get it on "because I say so." So proper education on sex is, alas, necessary.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 4, 2020 15:38:25 GMT
Like I said earlier, I'm pro-choice based on the legal definition and what the Supreme Court found for privacy - that rings true to me - and deeper than "the state can't tell me what to do with my body?" It's the same result, but more nuanced and the state tells all of us what we can't do with our bodies all the time anyway (driving while drinking, shooting dope, etc.)
I will say every 4 years the Democrats give this issue away by being no restrictions in their platform.........it's probably the biggest "single issue vote" we have ......along with Supreme Court judges I guess. Some restrictions would save some votes for the Dems......
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jul 4, 2020 15:57:52 GMT
Wow, this thread, is, uh... yikes. As for my view, 100% pro-life. The child is a living human. You can make an argument that they need the mother's womb to live, but many of us need prescriptions to keep our lives going, and the argument can just go in circles. There won't be a middle ground that people can ever reach here: no debating will ever convince anyone. I simply believe that people have the right to life, no matter their age or circumstances. And I'm all for abstinence, but abstinence only works if you have a strong moral/religious groundwork built into your philosophy. You can't just tell some random teenager not to get it on "because I say so." So proper education on sex is, alas, necessary. How it is possible to not give a living woman the choice of her own body, over ruining both her life and the unborn embryo(which is not even a figment of anything functioning yet!) and the collective experiences, consciousness, physicality, human reality are all the said woman ? Who would you say deserves more of a say? Especially if the woman is young, not yet married, not yet ready to provide? What if the man just walks away? Women more vulnerable and pressured to sex (I've read that 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of completed or attempted rape in her lifetime !).I was myself raped when I was 16 . Are you seriously going to tell me that had I become pregnant , it would have been immoral on my part to get rid of the baby of my rapist ?
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 4, 2020 16:06:44 GMT
Wow, this thread, is, uh... yikes. As for my view, 100% pro-life. The child is a living human. You can make an argument that they need the mother's womb to live, but many of us need prescriptions to keep our lives going, and the argument can just go in circles. There won't be a middle ground that people can ever reach here: no debating will ever convince anyone. I simply believe that people have the right to life, no matter their age or circumstances. And I'm all for abstinence, but abstinence only works if you have a strong moral/religious groundwork built into your philosophy. You can't just tell some random teenager not to get it on "because I say so." So proper education on sex is, alas, necessary. How it is possible to not give a living woman the choice of her own body, over ruining both her life and the unborn embryo, which is not even a figment of anything functioning yet, and the collective experiences, consciousness, physicality, human reality are all the said woman. Who would you say deserves more of a say? Especially if the woman is young, not yet married, not yet ready to provide? What if the man just walks away? Women more vulnerable and pressured to sex (I've read that 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of completed or attempted rape in her lifetime !).I was myself raped when I was 16 . Are you seriously going to tell me that had I become pregnant , it would have been immoral on my part to get rid of the baby of my rapist ? For the "quality of life" argument, I can't stand behind that. Who decides what a good quality of life is? And I don't think either of them deserve more of a say. They deserve equal say. But the child has the right to a life same as the mother. If she feels it necessary, the mother can give the child away to somebody she finds more qualified. It's ugly every way around, but a child deserves more chance than just getting killed because it is unlikely that he or she will have a happy life. But killing someone simply because it is inconvenient to care for them... I cannot stand behind that. I even believe that in the case of rape, but I won't hunt you down with a pitchfork for having the opposite point of view, and I'm willing to make concessions on that point as a matter of practicality. As I said, there is no middle ground here. You either respect the woman's right to live her life as she chooses, or you respect the child's right to do the same.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 4, 2020 16:19:42 GMT
Like I said earlier, I'm pro-choice based on the legal definition and what the Supreme Court found for privacy - that rings true to me - and deeper than "the state can't tell me what to do with my body?" It's the same result, but more nuanced and the state tells all of us what we can't do with our bodies all the time anyway (driving while drinking, shooting dope, etc.) I will say every 4 years the Democrats give this issue away by being no restrictions in their platform.........it's probably the biggest "single issue vote" we have ......along with Supreme Court judges I guess. Some restrictions would save some votes for the Dems...... I was stunned by how many people thought that Alabama law banning abortion outside of a few weeks was insane. Even right wing figures on Fox and stuff thought that was taking it way too far. I think a lot of people who identify as "pro-life" are just focusing on the third trimester and don't necessarily have a problem with all abortion. If the Dems limited it to just supporting the Roe v. Wade court decision and left the question of late term abortions open they could get most the country on board. The left these days seems to be allergic to consensus building and just wants to be as provocative as possible like they haven't moved beyond the edgy college kid phase.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jul 4, 2020 17:38:16 GMT
How it is possible to not give a living woman the choice of her own body, over ruining both her life and the unborn embryo, which is not even a figment of anything functioning yet, and the collective experiences, consciousness, physicality, human reality are all the said woman. Who would you say deserves more of a say? Especially if the woman is young, not yet married, not yet ready to provide? What if the man just walks away? Women more vulnerable and pressured to sex (I've read that 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of completed or attempted rape in her lifetime !).I was myself raped when I was 16 . Are you seriously going to tell me that had I become pregnant , it would have been immoral on my part to get rid of the baby of my rapist ? For the "quality of life" argument, I can't stand behind that. Who decides what a good quality of life is? And I don't think either of them deserve more of a say. They deserve equal say. But the child has the right to a life same as the mother. If she feels it necessary, the mother can give the child away to somebody she finds more qualified. It's ugly every way around, but a child deserves more chance than just getting killed because it is unlikely that he or she will have a happy life. But killing someone simply because it is inconvenient to care for them... I cannot stand behind that. I even believe that in the case of rape, but I won't hunt you down with a pitchfork for having the opposite point of view, and I'm willing to make concessions on that point as a matter of practicality. As I said, there is no middle ground here. You either respect the woman's right to live her life as she chooses, or you respect the child's right to do the same. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. But just let me say this : having an opinion about abortion is, of course, a perfectly legitimate thing, but - and without wishing to trivialise the difficult choices many women find themselves having to make - it's rather like having an opinion about the weather: it's gonna happen no matter what you do. The question is then, what are you gonna do? I'm not one of Hilary Clinton's greatest admirers but I definitely agree when she said : 'I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and hopefully rare.' Yes , safe and rare. Stigmatising and/or attacking the women who make these choices isn't gonna make that happen any time soon.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 4, 2020 19:01:35 GMT
For the "quality of life" argument, I can't stand behind that. Who decides what a good quality of life is? And I don't think either of them deserve more of a say. They deserve equal say. But the child has the right to a life same as the mother. If she feels it necessary, the mother can give the child away to somebody she finds more qualified. It's ugly every way around, but a child deserves more chance than just getting killed because it is unlikely that he or she will have a happy life. But killing someone simply because it is inconvenient to care for them... I cannot stand behind that. I even believe that in the case of rape, but I won't hunt you down with a pitchfork for having the opposite point of view, and I'm willing to make concessions on that point as a matter of practicality. As I said, there is no middle ground here. You either respect the woman's right to live her life as she chooses, or you respect the child's right to do the same. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. But just let me say this : having an opinion about abortion is, of course, a perfectly legitimate thing, but - and without wishing to trivialise the difficult choices many women find themselves having to make - it's rather like having an opinion about the weather: it's gonna happen no matter what you do. The question is then, what are you gonna do? I'm not one of Hilary Clinton's greatest admirers but I definitely agree when she said : 'I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and hopefully rare.' Yes , safe and rare. Stigmatising and/or attacking the women who make these choices isn't gonna make that happen any time soon. My two responses would be as follows: 1. Abortion will happen no matter what, agreed. I have a statistical question (which I really don't know the answer to): how many women die from unsafe abortions? Which is then to be compared to how many children die to abortions. We obviously can't know the full answer because women dying from unsafe abortions are not going through public channels. Accounting for the child dying in these unsafe abortions (obviously), we can thus double the amount of dead. Do more people die through these unsafe abortions than people who die through legalized abortion? This is a cold-blooded answer, but I do think statistics such as they are known should play a part in the discussion (although it is more focused on my end; if a woman has the moral right to choose an abortion, it doesn't really matter what the statistic is - the question is a moral one). Mrs. Clinton believes that abortion is to be safe and that is her #1 priority (rare is secondary), but for me the priority would be rare: it is, by its definition, unsafe, since it ends a life. And so, I would like it to be rare, so that as few lives are ended as possible. 2. I don't believe that saying something is wrong is stigmatizing or attacking the people who do it. There's a line between saying that something should be illegal (say, shooting up heroin) and hating the people who do that illegal thing. I believe that counseling and financial care should be a priority for unwanted pregnancies, and that priority should be put on women feeling safe with leaving their child to the care of others if they feel unable to care for it. I am convinced that this is a pipe dream, but I'll still hold to it.
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Post by Pasquale on Jul 4, 2020 23:01:51 GMT
If a woman ever had, or is about to have an abortion, I hope she has a life full of joy and wonders, without never have to be in the position to feel guilty of this action.
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