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Post by moonman157 on Oct 4, 2017 16:15:35 GMT
Looks visually stunning.
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Post by quetee on Oct 4, 2017 17:57:20 GMT
Kate will have a fight on her hands in lead but Jim and Juno look like top 5.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 4, 2017 18:02:01 GMT
Visually it looks nice which isn't surprising since Storaro is one of the best to ever do it. Acting looks solid, with potential for Winslet, Belushi, and Temple to give really good to great performances. However, the premise sounds totally uninteresting and the dialogue feels tacky as hell to me. Eh, but I've never been a Woody Allen fan to begin with
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Post by bruinjoe96 on Oct 4, 2017 18:59:57 GMT
Hmm, trailer was fine. Honestly Woody Allen is hit or miss with me, but he hits more than he misses.
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Post by morton on Oct 4, 2017 19:42:05 GMT
The cinematography and production design look lovely (but Vittorio is a god, so that's to be expected, and Allen's period pieces are strikingly evocative and lived-in), but Belushi and Temple look like the standouts as opposed to Winslet, at least judging by this trailer. Yes, I know it's just the trailer, but I'm getting totally different vibe from this then with Blue Jasmine's trailer. With that trailer, I think there was definitely more of a focus on Cate Blanchett's character, but with this trailer, while Kate Winslet got a lot of attention at the end of it, the trailer just didn't just feel like it was about her character. I agree that she didn't really standout even in the parts that she was in either, which seemed strange, if this is going to be her Blue Jasmine. The cinematography looks beautiful but I don't think the acting or writing looks anything to write home about at all. Maybe it's a riveting viewing experience but I'm not getting too much confidence from this. I'm starting to wonder if Winslet can even make it into best actress this year... Maybe Kris Tapley is right? I know he's one of the few pundits that has seen it already, and he's not predicting Winslet. I thought he was going to be wrong, but with so much competition, with that trailer, I feel like she could miss. I don't know. It just felt underwhelming to me. Maybe I was expecting too much. Kate will have a fight on her hands in lead but Jim and Juno look like top 5. Yes, I was more impressed by Temple and Belushi which I was surprised about. Well with Belushi, I had seen that there has been a lot of good buzz surrounding his performance, but that was more of a wait and see thing because I didn't want to predict Belushi for Best Supporting Actor if the buzz wasn't true since he's never been an awards favorite at all and is mostly known for his television show and being John Belushi's brother. With Temple, I hadn't heard anything at all, but I was still predicting her because the Supporting Actress lineup seems like it could skew very old which seems unlikely, imo, because AMPAs loves its "it" girls and fresh faces in actress and supporting actress.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 4, 2017 19:45:51 GMT
Kate Winslet rarely disappoints and it's nice to see Juno Temple in a meaty role ! And yes , it looks visually stunning indeed.
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 4, 2017 19:54:09 GMT
Cinematography looks jaw-dropping as expected. I love that Woody has stepped up his visuals with his last few projects, and I'm really glad to hear he and Storaro are threepeating next year.
I'm still confident about Winslet's chances. This teaser didn't give us an awful lot to go off of, and Allen's films aren't always that well-represented by their trailers (most recent examples include Midnight in Paris, Irrational Man). Winslet does look like she'll have a lot to work with, and she's already out there laying the ground work for her campaign. I'll wait for the reviews before I write her off.
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Post by stephen on Oct 4, 2017 20:03:36 GMT
Yes, I know it's just the trailer, but I'm getting totally different vibe from this then with Blue Jasmine's trailer. With that trailer, I think there was definitely more of a focus on Cate Blanchett's character, but with this trailer, while Kate Winslet got a lot of attention at the end of it, the trailer just didn't just feel like it was about her character. I agree that she didn't really standout even in the parts that she was in either, which seemed strange, if this is going to be her Blue Jasmine. Maybe Kris Tapley is right? I know he's one of the few pundits that has seen it already, and he's not predicting Winslet. I thought he was going to be wrong, but with so much competition, with that trailer, I feel like she could miss. I don't know. It just felt underwhelming to me. Maybe I was expecting too much. Yeah, there's nothing about this that really screams "actor's showcase" the way Blue Jasmine did. The Academy really likes Winslet and I'm sure she's always going to be a contender, and the Woody Allen factor is often a reliable one, but it doesn't seem anywhere close to a done deal the way Blanchett did.
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Post by quetee on Oct 4, 2017 20:23:44 GMT
Yes, I know it's just the trailer, but I'm getting totally different vibe from this then with Blue Jasmine's trailer. With that trailer, I think there was definitely more of a focus on Cate Blanchett's character, but with this trailer, while Kate Winslet got a lot of attention at the end of it, the trailer just didn't just feel like it was about her character. I agree that she didn't really standout even in the parts that she was in either, which seemed strange, if this is going to be her Blue Jasmine. Maybe Kris Tapley is right? I know he's one of the few pundits that has seen it already, and he's not predicting Winslet. I thought he was going to be wrong, but with so much competition, with that trailer, I feel like she could miss. I don't know. It just felt underwhelming to me. Maybe I was expecting too much. Yeah, there's nothing about this that really screams "actor's showcase" the way Blue Jasmine did. The Academy really likes Winslet and I'm sure she's always going to be a contender, and the Woody Allen factor is often a reliable one, but it doesn't seem anywhere close to a done deal the way Blanchett did. yeah, after watching blue jasmine trailer, you just knew the other four people were placeholders. After watching this trailer, Jim looks like a winner.
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Post by morton on Oct 4, 2017 20:46:04 GMT
Looks like Kate will be the only one who'll save this film , it feels like cafe society 2.0 Amazon knows Timberlake is a hack, they don't give him many scenes in this trailer I've liked Timberlake in some other things, but I guess he can't do period because he definitely felt like the weakest link for me. Perhaps it's because of the trailer, but it could be a problem if he comes across as so annoying or awful that the audience doesn't know why two women like Winslet and Temple would be fighting over him.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 5, 2017 7:39:36 GMT
not liking the Cafe Society vibes coming off that teaser. Could easily be just another mediocre period pastiche, this time with Kate Winslet
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Oct 5, 2017 20:38:55 GMT
I think Justin Timberlake looks horribly miscast otherwise the trailer looks fine.
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Post by morton on Oct 13, 2017 20:47:07 GMT
Bumping this up because several reviews are out and are still coming out. Uh, looks like I was wrong about Winslet winning her second for this. I will be surprised if she's nominated given the reviews and how I think award bodies are going to be weary this season of nominating anything Woody Allen related. If she was undeniable, I'm sure they'd have no trouble doing so, but she's not, so I think instead of inviting any controversy, she's just going to have to sit out this year.
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 13, 2017 21:50:08 GMT
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 13, 2017 22:11:16 GMT
Some takeaways from this.
I'm switching to McDormand for the win now, and possibly dropping Winslet from the top 5 altogether. She's getting good ink overall with some very passionate support here and there, but after Weinsteingate I just don't think anyone will be in a hurry to reward one of Allen's leading ladies. Storaro could still happen, since he's getting near-unanimous raves, but even that's not a guarantee.
It pisses me off to no end that Allen is lumped in the same category as the likes of Weinstein and Polanski, when the former is a proven predator/alleged serial rapist and the latter is a convicted, confessed felon while Allen's been thoroughly investigated and cleared without ever even being taken to court, but that narrative is gonna taint Wonder Wheel's performance for the rest of the season. It didn't hurt Blanchett in 2013 or Casey Affleck last year, but the Weinstein accusations are dominating the conversation in such a way that I don't think Amazon will be able to maneuver it, especially with underwhelming reviews and an actress who's shooting herself in the foot by going out of her way to liken Allen to Polanski.
Speaking of reviews, you can already see this narrative interfering with the critical reception, with a few reviewers bringing up Allen's past in their analyses and, in the case of The Playlist, outright admitting that it's a good film they just can't rate objectively because of who wrote and directed it. Not a good sign. And not fair either.
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Post by Zeb31 on Oct 13, 2017 22:19:22 GMT
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 13, 2017 22:23:52 GMT
Maybe I should have specified: I was referring to the "sexual harassment accusations" aspect, NOT ideologically. It had a HUUUGE effect there. Not just SALESMAN, but I GUARANTEE you LA LA LAND doesn't lose BP if the Hollywood elite were still in Nirvana creaming themselves over the 1st woman President! MOONLIGHT captured the post-Trump mood of Hollywood.
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Post by morton on Oct 13, 2017 22:47:23 GMT
Yes, I know that award voters as well as other voters don't like being told what to do and will go there own way sometimes, but sometimes they don't always go along with their own way either as Zeb31 so helpfully pointed out. Plus, with Cate Blanchett, iirc Allen controversy didn't start until she she started to win the televised precursors, and even then most of the time it wasn't about her, as it was about Allen. There was some that revolved around her, and I believe Dylan and Mia Farrow tried to recenter it on Blanchett to a degree, but that narrative never took hold. Another thing in Blanchett's favor was that she had already swept most of the critics' awards before the controversy hit, and Blue Jasmine was screened before any controversy had come out. Winslet's case is totally different because the Harvey Weinstein scandal is dominating things so much right now and will likely still be something that continues to be a factor in this awards season. (Beyond that, I'm not really sure because the real world being the real world, eventually things will probably go back to how they were with maybe a little change but perhaps no change.) Anyhow as Zeb31 also pointed out, how some critics are viewing Wonder Wheel is being affected by the Harvey Weinstein scandal, so it's not something like Blue Jasmine where most of the focus could be on the film with maybe a little on Allen's past. I expect that Winslet's award chances will similarly be affected. Critics already could go elsewhere with Hawkins, McDormand, Ronan, and probably Streep all having raves, but with Winslet getting good to great reviews, I'm not sure if critics will want to award her for Wonder Wheel. First because I expect that just nominating Winslet for a group vote is going to get a lot of controversy and a lot of heated discussion moreso than just ordinary voting, and second, award bodies might just find it easier to sidestep any controversy by not awarding Winslet at all. Again like I said if she were undeniable, I don't think it would be a problem, but it doesn't seem like she is, and this is actually a competitive year for Best Actress. I think the televised awards will likely take a cue from the critics awards and try to avoid any Allen controversy too. Maybe the Globes because they more spots, but I think she's definitely out of the running now to win there since she'll be up against Streep and Hawkins who both have better chances of winning the Oscar. Plus as Zeb31 also already brought up, Winslet didn't do herself any favors by comparing Allen and Polanski at all. Even before the Weinstein scandal, she wouldn't have gotten through awards season unscathed without this being brought up over and over again, but after the Weinstein scandal, this quote and the fact that there's going to be critics that constantly bring up the fact that she worked with both Allen and Polanski is going to work against her. Had she been undeniable, yes, she probably still would have won, but again she's not, so I think most critics and award shows just want to bypass any potential controversy by not nominating Winslet or Wonder Wheel. It should be noted that Amazon has canceled the red carpet premiere tomorrow at NYFF likely because of the Weinstein controversy, and for the stories that came out about them due to the Weinstein scandal. Right now they probably regret that they gave Allen a carte blanche deal.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 13, 2017 23:29:16 GMT
I dunno, even these bad reviews of the Allen film sound intriguing to me, it looks good to me and far more weighty than his recent lightweight stuff and something to chew on and the critics, or at least this one, sound like a moron ("impossible"? bulls***)
The Playlist: It’s impossible to watch “Wonder Wheel” without letting Allen himself and the current response to Harvey Weinstein not color the (absolutely gorgeous) viewing experience. But even ignoring beyond the biographical details and real-world shadows, this is an imperfect, if entirely beautiful, film. (B-)
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Post by jakob on Oct 13, 2017 23:42:28 GMT
Bumping this up because several reviews are out and are still coming out. Uh, looks like I was wrong about Winslet winning her second for this. I will be surprised if she's nominated given the reviews and how I think award bodies are going to be weary this season of nominating anything Woody Allen related. If she was undeniable, I'm sure they'd have no trouble doing so, but she's not, so I think instead of inviting any controversy, she's just going to have to sit out this year. I don't mean to be THAT guy, but I feel like the reception of this movie was going to be cold no matter how good the movie turned out because of the immense growing hate for Woody Allen. That's why I haven't been predicting Winslet. Even one of the reviews admitted it was hard to enjoy because of the controversy (which isn't a new story, but it's a topic that gets more sensitive by the day, especially now with the Weinstein scandal). I'm definitely a separate art from the Artist type of person so this kind of stuff does mildly upset me, mostly because you have people that are doing a tremendous job like Winslet and Sottario that aren't going to get the credit they deserve because of whose film it is that they're apart of.
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