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Post by Sharbs on May 22, 2017 18:28:08 GMT
Watched all four parts. First part probably could've used a bit more Cooper but still hooked me with the brutal death scene in New York City But damn, I'm really digging this so far. Super weird. Great stuff with Log lady and the twin peaks sheriff's department. Loved the Cooper scenes too. It was great to see both the fucked up, dark stuff and the quirky stuff still present. I got high about midway through episode 2 onward so that may have helped, but seriously this was just a hell of an experience for me. I'm so glad that this show is back. Also, I was really hoping that Michael Cera would play Andy and Lucy's son and I couldn't be happier that the show delivered on that. My jaw dropped after that scene in NYC. Me too. I had to pause it so I could reel my jaw back into place
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:34:09 GMT
Off to a pretty damn great start, IMO. Honestly didn't think it would be this surreal and crazy.
Very few complaints and I'm thrilled that Lynch didn't compromise his vision so that general audiences could find it easier to swallow.
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Post by moonman157 on May 23, 2017 1:53:27 GMT
First episode was absolutely fantastic. That Chromatics ending was one of the best scenes in the whole series.
Hyped af
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Post by taranofprydain on May 23, 2017 2:06:41 GMT
Did anybody else notice that Laura Palmer has invaded the news scroll on the top of the main homepage.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 23, 2017 2:26:32 GMT
Did anybody else notice that Laura Palmer has invaded the news scroll on the top of the main homepage. "It is happening again."
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Post by Joaquim on May 23, 2017 19:08:39 GMT
I don't know if I can wait a whole week in between episodes. I'm too pumped for the next one.
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Post by JangoB on May 23, 2017 20:04:13 GMT
Yeah, I'm not sure how I'm gonna be able to wait for new episodes each week. I want it all now.
Anyway, the beginning of the return is very fascinating. It doesn't feel quite like the good old Twin Peaks but then again why should it, considering that Twin Peaks has always been something that was constantly changing. Fire Walk With Me is nothing like the original series, and this return is kinda nothing like either of them. What it absolutely is though is David Lynch. And that's wonderful. One gotta thank Showtime for succumbing to his demands and for allowing him to do this exactly as he wanted. Nothing in these four episodes seems compromised, it all feels like it's exactly Lynch's vision without any adjustments. I even struggle to find Mark Frost here, to be honest. So even when the effects look objectively bad, when the animation looks weird and unfinished, you still fucking dive into it all because you just know that it's exactly what Lynch wanted to show it. And it is beautiful. Although I wish we spent a bit more time in Twin Peaks itself during the course of these four episodes. I hope it'll be happening soon.
An interesting note - is anyone else curious about the new show's relative lack of music? Badalamenti is credited as the composer but so far I'm not quite sure if he's composed anything. The original show was full of music and I was thinking what exactly felt so different about this new one (aside from many other things). And I think it's the lack of music. When the Laura Palmer theme kicks in in the fourth episode, it feels great but also almost shocking because practically no music has been heard before it. On the other hand, I fucking love the sound design. It's David Lynch all right.
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Post by Jim_Jt on May 23, 2017 20:18:09 GMT
An interesting note - is anyone else curious about the new show's relative lack of music? Badalamenti is credited as the composer but so far I'm not quite sure if he's composed anything. The original show was full of music and I was thinking what exactly felt so different about this new one (aside from many other things). And I think it's the lack of music. When the Laura Palmer theme kicks in in the fourth episode, it feels great but also almost shocking because practically no music has been heard before it. On the other hand, I fucking love the sound design. It's David Lynch all right. I think that as we return to Twin Peaks, there will gradually be more music. Btw I love the sound design too!
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Post by Viced on May 23, 2017 21:12:10 GMT
Yeah, I'm not sure how I'm gonna be able to wait for new episodes each week. I want it all now. Anyway, the beginning of the return is very fascinating. It doesn't feel quite like the good old Twin Peaks but then again why should it, considering that Twin Peaks has always been something that was constantly changing. Fire Walk With Me is nothing like the original series, and this return is kinda nothing like either of them. What it absolutely is though is David Lynch. And that's wonderful. One gotta thank Showtime for succumbing to his demands and for allowing him to do this exactly as he wanted. Nothing in these four episodes seems compromised, it all feels like it's exactly Lynch's vision without any adjustments. I even struggle to find Mark Frost here, to be honest. So even when the effects look objectively bad, when the animation looks weird and unfinished, you still fucking dive into it all because you just know that it's exactly what Lynch wanted to show it. And it is beautiful. Although I wish we spent a bit more time in Twin Peaks itself during the course of these four episodes. I hope it'll be happening soon. An interesting note - is anyone else curious about the new show's relative lack of music? Badalamenti is credited as the composer but so far I'm not quite sure if he's composed anything. The original show was full of music and I was thinking what exactly felt so different about this new one (aside from many other things). And I think it's the lack of music. When the Laura Palmer theme kicks in in the fourth episode, it feels great but also almost shocking because practically no music has been heard before it. On the other hand, I fucking love the sound design. It's David Lynch all right. I am totally with you on the lack of music (and pretty much everything else). I can understand not wanting to be derivative of the previous seasons, but god damn I need some more Badalamenti! I'm sure he could have composed some low-key stuff that would have worked fine. Really hope we hear more from him in the next few episodes. My main problem with the "return" so far is that it's a bit too all over the place. The Michael Cera scene was just terrible, and Andy and especially Lucy are acting dumb to an unfunny extent. The random scene of Ben Horne talking to his brother about banana bread with weed in it... 30 seconds of Shelly and James... the random Duchovny scene (though it was very nice to see Denise)... idk... really like it so far, and I'm all in for the crazy shit/Lynch-ness of it all, but a little more focus would be nice. That stuff with Matthew Lillard seemed interesting, too bad it happened so long ago that by the time we see him again I might not give a shit anymore. also, I don't really care for the endings. I'm watching these bozos sing and waiting for a good ending, and then "Starring Kyle MacLachlan" shows up and I get all sad.
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Post by chris3 on May 24, 2017 0:21:02 GMT
Very scattered thoughts on the first four episodes (SPOILERS):
I absolutely love it. I feel like these four episodes are basically one long first act that sets everything into place, and honestly, I'm enjoying every single plotline so far. The opening scene with the box is MASTERFUL stuff, classic Lynchian arthouse dread with a somehow perfectly B-movie payoff (I also love the meta illustration of audience members drinking coffee, staring at a box, anxiously awaiting what weird craziness is in store for them). I can't wait to learn more about this mysterious billionaire and how he ties into the other threads. The Buckthorn storyline is a perfect Twin Peaks-style procedural mystery (I see a lot of Mark Frost in this subplot), and I'm very shocked to state that out of all the new actors MATTHEW LILLARD(!) is giving the best performance. It's always thrilling to see a performance that totally alters your perception of an actor. I'm really happy for him, and excited to see more. The Log Lady scene was beautiful and heartbreaking. The evolution of the arm is exactly the type of nightmarish imagery I come to expect in a Lynch project, and once again he didn't disappoint. Utterly wild to see all the returning side characters, can't wait for more. So far Bobby's return is my favorite; such a neat subversion of expectations and that scene where he sees Laura's photo is so beautifully, magnificently well-performed that I nearly choked up. I also love that Hawk is taking a more central role this time. The first third of episode 3 is some of the most utterly bonkers, 'what-the-fuck-am-I-watching?' David Lynch material of his entire career. My favorite image of the season is that haunting black ocean. Incredible. The Gordon/Albert subplot is fantastic, especially that scene in the jail at the end of episode 4. I could watch an entire season of just Albert and Gordon on the case of evil Cooper (also so, so cool that Phillip Jeffries has been worked into the narrative).
Now to Coop. So far this storyline is the most divisive, but I must say that I LOVE what they've done here. Kyle MacLachlan is ON FIRE with these dual roles. Evil Cooper's introduction (complete with that jaw-dropping nighttime driving shot paired with a badass industrial drum track) is so hilariously over-the-top and AMAZING that I was euphoric witnessing BOB's legacy carry-on in the show (RIP Frank Silva). I also love that Lynchian scene where he just squeezes that man's face for like thirty seconds. As for Dougie, I seriously don't understand why people don't like this character arc. Lynch famously loves giving his characters dual, contradictory identities a la Lost Highway and Mulholland Dr., and this narrative perfectly deconstructs the two sides of Coop's character that fans love. On one side we have his goodness, his innocence and childlike wonder (gleeful about Douglas firs and coffee, etc) with none of the intelligence and strength that allowed him to be the Sherlock Holmes badass that cracked the Laura Palmer case. On the other side we have that wit, intelligence, and strength, only devoid of said innocence and goodness so therefore utilized to the ends of a twisted, Frank Booth-esque supervillain. The season's arc seems to be Cooper's journey towards reconciling these two sides of his personality to ultimately become the Coop we know and love. That's an AWESOME character journey that earns a season-long development. The doppleganger storyline was a 25 year cliffhanger, OF COURSE it's gotta take the entire season to resolve itself. Personally I think it's magnificent, and I love the "Helloo-ooooo" goofiness of "Dougie". That scene with his son at breakfast was beautiful and hilarious.
So far my only nitpicks are these: the Lucky/Andy humor has been a mixed bag. Sometimes it feels strained and stilted (didn't like the cell phone thing), sometimes it's perfect ("Is it about the bunny?"). I know I may be in the minority but I found the Michael Cera scene so baffling that it became utterly hilarious and I loved it (I also feel like it's parodying the '50s archetypes that made up the teens in the original series, so it's not completely random). But yeah, I could've done with a little less Andy and Lucy. I know people are calling out the cheap VFX, but most of it doesn't bother me because Lynch has always loved lo-fi crudeness and this seeems in line with that. However, I did not like the terrible green screen in the space sequence where Coop sees Garland. I think that scene would've worked a lot better in Black & White, but the scenes that preceded and followed were so awesomely WTF that I quickly forgave it. Also, the cinematography has been a bit of a mixed bag. Some of it has been jaw-droppingly gorgeous (those new opening credits!!!!), some of it has been perfectly fine, some of it looks very badly-lit and painfully digital. I kind of expected this since Lynch was filming about six movies' worth of material all at once; some of it was bound to look rushed. But so far the good cinemtography is SO good that I'll easily forgive some of the dialogue scenes looking bland and stilted. And that's about it for my nitpicks (other than a lack of music, but each episode is slowly weaving the old tracks back into the fold, so I'm thinking Badalamenti's presence will gradually grow over the season).
I'm so ecstatic that I'm loving it as much as I hoped I would. It's not perfect, but neither was the original show (nor the brilliant film), and for every misstep there are ten things it does perfectly. I'm frothing at the mouth for more episodes but also glad I have two weeks to watch the first four again.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 24, 2017 3:08:11 GMT
So over the past few days I've rewatched all of the original series and Fire Walk with Me and have just now caught up on the new series. I'm unsure what real life is anymore, but I now know how it feels to chew 5 gum.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 24, 2017 7:47:04 GMT
So it's back and I watched the first 2 episodes and this was me...
Seriously though, I loved the hell out of it so far, I wasn't really disappointed with anything; even the visuals that some are calling out, I kinda found them somewhat charming.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 24, 2017 15:58:29 GMT
Also, the cinematography has been a bit of a mixed bag. Some of it has been jaw-droppingly gorgeous (those new opening credits!!!!), some of it has been perfectly fine, some of it looks very badly-lit and painfully digital. I kind of expected this since Lynch was filming about six movies' worth of material all at once; some of it was bound to look rushed. Yeah, this is about the only real criticism I have for the first four episodes of the new series. Some shots look gorgeous, and then with other shots the color balance seems really off, giving it that digital muddy concrete look at times.
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Post by wonky on May 24, 2017 16:04:20 GMT
Yeah, I like the low-rent look of the visual effect stuff, the lack of photorealism makes it all the more fun and surreal. It brings a certain humor to it that's always been the case with Lynch, keeping it from feeling like it's taking itself too seriously. It's so oddly deliberate that it works. The most genuinely frightening and convincing effect has been the ghost in the box, which has a different tone altogether than the arm's evolution or Dougie's head explosion.
Anyway loving this, can't really add much to what's been said. That last scene of 4 with Cole/Albert kinda blew me away, such gravitas. They gotta be calling Diane, surely...Laura Dern??
I do hope it doesn't take the ENTIRE season to get the old Dale Cooper back. I think he'll be changed irreparably in some significant ways, but I'll probably start getting tired if he doesn't have proper agency by about episode 9 or so. Mr Jackpots will only go so far but I'm loving the journey back to cherry-pie-and-Douglas-fir-loving Coop, assuming that's where we're headed.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:27:08 GMT
Although I want the real Cooper back as much as anyone, I think it's really well done that he's so "out of it", and wasn't able to just waltz out of the Black Lodge like nothing happened.
Plus, the "HuuuLLLOOOOO!" scene is the funniest thing in the entire series, IMO.
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Post by wonky on May 25, 2017 2:41:29 GMT
Love this! Really enjoying Hawk's unexpectedly larger role, always liked him a lot.
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Post by DeepArcher on May 25, 2017 2:52:29 GMT
Yeah, I like the low-rent look of the visual effect stuff, the lack of photorealism makes it all the more fun and surreal. It brings a certain humor to it that's always been the case with Lynch, keeping it from feeling like it's taking itself too seriously. It's so oddly deliberate that it works. The most genuinely frightening and convincing effect has been the ghost in the box, which has a different tone altogether than the arm's evolution or Dougie's head explosion. Anyway loving this, can't really add much to what's been said. That last scene of 4 with Cole/Albert kinda blew me away, such gravitas. They gotta be calling Diane, surely...Laura Dern?? I do hope it doesn't take the ENTIRE season to get the old Dale Cooper back. I think he'll be changed irreparably in some significant ways, but I'll probably start getting tired if he doesn't have proper agency by about episode 9 or so. Mr Jackpots will only go so far but I'm loving the journey back to cherry-pie-and-Douglas-fir-loving Coop, assuming that's where we're headed. My immediate thought was Audrey Horne (I was 100% convinced they would show her in the club at the end of episode 4). I didn't even think of that as a possibility, but you could very well be right.
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Post by Joaquim on May 25, 2017 3:45:17 GMT
Yeah, I like the low-rent look of the visual effect stuff, the lack of photorealism makes it all the more fun and surreal. It brings a certain humor to it that's always been the case with Lynch, keeping it from feeling like it's taking itself too seriously. It's so oddly deliberate that it works. The most genuinely frightening and convincing effect has been the ghost in the box, which has a different tone altogether than the arm's evolution or Dougie's head explosion. Anyway loving this, can't really add much to what's been said. That last scene of 4 with Cole/Albert kinda blew me away, such gravitas. They gotta be calling Diane, surely...Laura Dern?? I do hope it doesn't take the ENTIRE season to get the old Dale Cooper back. I think he'll be changed irreparably in some significant ways, but I'll probably start getting tired if he doesn't have proper agency by about episode 9 or so. Mr Jackpots will only go so far but I'm loving the journey back to cherry-pie-and-Douglas-fir-loving Coop, assuming that's where we're headed. My immediate thought was Audrey Horne (I was 100% convinced they would show her in the club at the end of episode 4). I didn't even think of that as a possibility, but you could very well be right. Yup. Audrey was the one who came to mind for me too.
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Post by wonky on May 25, 2017 7:00:33 GMT
I did think of Audrey too, but I just dunno why Albert and Gordon would ever think to go to her, unless a lot has happened with Audrey in the interim. Neither of them met her or even heard about her in the series, did they? Can't remember, I'm not sure why they would find her as significant as we do, or why they'd feel she could ID Cooper better than themselves. Diane makes more immediate sense to me since she's FBI and she knew Cooper longer than Audrey anyway.
I just think if they are gonna introduce Diane at all, this is a great set-up. Audrey can always be worked in, especially since Ben's still in Twin Peaks.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 25, 2017 7:47:32 GMT
So I had planned to hold out until next week to watch episodes 3 & 4, as I didn't want to have to wait almost two week for a new episode. I sat down last night to watch Hacksaw Ridge and thought to myself, why am I about to watch a film I probably want like when two episodes of a TV show I love are sitting right there, available to me. Of course, now I'm going to have to wait almost two weeks for new Twin Peaks. So these two episodes were everything I wanted from this show when it came back. The opening 30 minutes or so of episode 3 have to be among the most intense, surreal and creative television I've ever seen. It was a masterpiece of atmosphere, sound and the visual and Lynch at his most wildly symbolic. I mean that was Inland Empire level madness right there. It was nice to see them try and throw in some of the classic Twin Peaks silliness throughout these two episodes, starting with the chocolate bunny scene, and it was amusing, but it didn't pay off as well as I think they thought it would. This was made irrelevant by the slot machine scenes anyway, in terms of these episodes that was what I thought would be Twin Peaks silliness at its best, only for it to be bettered a short while later by the ramblings of Michael Cera and the the facial expressions of those unfortunate enough to have to listen to them. I thought that's enough for tonight, it can't be topped, but then Kyle MacLachlan put on an absolute masterclass in the bedroom and kitchen scenes as Dougie. I've rarely gotten bigger laughs from show that isn't an outright comedy, in fact I've rarely laughed more at outright comedies. I was pleased to see Bobby Briggs, Cole and Rosenfield back. Bobby was one of my favourite characters by the time the show ended last time out, and I thought the scene when he saw Laura's picture and all the case files in the office was really nicely done. As someone else said, the scene at the end with Cole and Rosenfield was brilliant. I immediately thought of Audrey as the person they were referring to, Diane never crossed my mind, but it does make sense for sure. This is Twin Peaks though, things don't need to make sense.
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Post by wonky on May 25, 2017 10:04:49 GMT
It would definitely be interesting to see Audrey and Evil Cooper facing off.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on May 26, 2017 22:53:24 GMT
So... I just saw the pilot episode of this new season (parts 1 and 2). Wow! It might seriously be one of my favorite tv show episodes ever. Nothing had prepared me for what I was about to see. So much mistery and surrealism! It's everything there! Lynch has definitely not lost his touch and his capacity to overwhelm. In fact, this proves that he's just getting better and better. I'm hooked! Can't wait for the next episodes.
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Post by moonman157 on May 27, 2017 12:31:35 GMT
So... I just saw the pilot episode of this new season (parts 1 and 2). Wow! It might seriously be one of my favorite tv show episodes ever. Nothing had prepared me for what I was about to see. So much mistery and surrealism! It's everything there! Lynch has definitely not lost his touch and his capacity to overwhelm. In fact, this proves that he's just getting better and better. I'm hooked! Can't wait for the next episodes. 3 and 4 are so, so good.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 29, 2017 12:14:13 GMT
So... I just saw the pilot episode of this new season (parts 1 and 2). Wow! It might seriously be one of my favorite tv show episodes ever. Nothing had prepared me for what I was about to see. So much mistery and surrealism! It's everything there! Lynch has definitely not lost his touch and his capacity to overwhelm. In fact, this proves that he's just getting better and better. I'm hooked! Can't wait for the next episodes. 3 and 4 are so, so good. I think I preferred them over the opening two.
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Post by moonman157 on May 29, 2017 12:58:56 GMT
I think I preferred them over the opening two. Same. I really loved the opening two though. I really think that if Lynch can keep this up we're in for a pretty major season of tv. Also I just rewatched the pilot episode of season 1 last night and realized that the chocolate bunny sequence is actually a nod to that first episode. I thought it was entirely random when I watched the first two eps of the revival.
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