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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 13, 2018 16:06:50 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 13, 2018 16:11:30 GMT
Well it stars that slime Kevin Spacey, so it's an easy 1/10 for me!!! Yeah, it's a really tight thriller with some really great direction and probably my favorite Freeman performance. Spacey's pretty great in it too.
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Post by stephen on Feb 13, 2018 16:20:01 GMT
It's a masterwork of modern noir. Bleak, cynical, with a dose of religious horror trappings and a fantastic aesthetic that Fincher has never been able to duplicate since. Freeman has never been better (he's my win), Pitt takes a while but he comes into his own, Paltrow's excellent, Spacey's terrific, the supporting ensemble is aces (Leland fuckin' Orser, clutch as always), and I absolutely love the ending. Were it not for Braveheart, this film would dominate 1995 for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:20:22 GMT
I give it a 7.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 13, 2018 16:21:14 GMT
It's great, the second best big budget 1995 studio pic (behind HEAT), a sister piece to Silence of the Lambs when you would think that would be impossible. Nothing is more boring than the serial killer film and these two transcend that and create something special out of it.
Great acting (yeah, Pitt at the end too, whatever), terrific pace, fantastic credits!, great rain. Atmospheric, philosophical, and rings true.
Gets under your skin in a supreme fashion and is a beautiful bummer.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 13, 2018 16:23:30 GMT
One of the greatest (psychological) thrillers of all time . David Fincher's best movie to date . Fantastic acting all around : Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt are an unforgettable duo . Kevin Spacey turns out that he was also a creep in real life and Gwyneth Paltrow deliver strong supporting performances as well . Great writing , soundtrack and editing .And THAT freakin' ending...still one of the most brutal ,darkest and haunting shit ever .
A+
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Post by stephen on Feb 13, 2018 16:32:51 GMT
It's great, the second best big budget 1995 studio pic (behind HEAT), a sister piece to Silence of the Lambs when you would think that would be impossible. Nothing is more boring than the serial killer film and these two transcend that and create something special out of it. Great acting (yeah, Pitt at the end too, whatever), terrific pace, fantastic credits!, great rain. Atmospheric, philosophical, and rings true. Gets under your skin in a supreme fashion and is a beautiful bummer. It's easy to pick on Pitt for "WHAT'S IN THE BOOOOX?!", but I actually think he sells the hell out of the scene. If you wanna pick on him for a line, though, "He's a NUTBAG!" is up for grabs.
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Post by oneflyr on Feb 13, 2018 17:29:58 GMT
Bleh
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Post by moonman157 on Feb 13, 2018 17:49:01 GMT
It's bad
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Post by idioticbunny on Feb 13, 2018 17:51:06 GMT
One of my top 20 favorite films of all-time. Perfect in nearly every aspect and one of the reasons I became so enamored with cinema. Hard to enjoy many other crime thrillers when one so perfect exists. Fincher is in top form for only working on his second feature film and while I love his entire repertoire (even The Game and Panic Room), he's still yet to top this one. The atmosphere is haunting, the acting is terrific (and I'll echo what stephen mentioned about Pitt, I think he absolutely nails that final scene), the cinematography and editing are some all-time great stuff, and the script is easily one of my favorites. I love me a good, juicy crime thriller/noir and this one managed to both transcend the genre and live within its confines at the same time. And it's very easy to re-watch too, despite being pretty damn disturbing.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 13, 2018 17:57:00 GMT
Absolutely fucking genius.  One of the few classics of the 90s that deserves its reputation.Â
Like many people, I feel Fincher is a little bit overrated. The Social Network came on and gets called "revolutionary" despite the story being not too revolutionary. Fight Club is entertaining, but I can't exactly grasp its clear achievement and resolution, and it's just not as good as Se7en. And obviously the new stuff he's done isn't on the level of any of these. But.... still, there's nothing to exaggerate with his earlier films. and while Fincher took a path that I didn't necessarily agree with later on, those early films of his merit the praise he deserves.
I just think it's very innovative, very visionary, very climactic, very alternative and Fincher's characters are understatedly nihilistic. Just one of the most memorable stages of unique characters with their folly.  Also, Fincher also did well eradicating some cheesy 80s trends, by the time he came on, he was boss and people instantly forgot some of that 80s shit. Similar to what Cobain did with Nirvana, he made movies of that caliber highly appealing. Where previously no cinephiles were excited at violent thrillers because those could easily be dismissed as generic or commercial, Fincher made neo-thrillers the forefront of anticipation. Keep in mind, he was going against the immaculate Paul Verhoeven at the time with his own vision (Basic Instinct) and take on neo-thrillers. The new cinema wave of the 90s was such an exciting period. I'd love to be back in 1994-1995 with those great new crime movies dominating the circuit. Â
It's a damn masterpiece and without a shadow of a doubt, my favorite Fincher by a mile.  I'm on The Silence of the Lambs thread and watch it get unanimous uniform opinions, but Se7en simply destroys The Silence of the Lambs based on all criteria I value. Silence of the Lambs is pop culture. Se7en is cinema. They're two different tiers.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 13, 2018 20:03:43 GMT
Its one of my all time favorites (easily in my top 10 of all time). What is so outstanding about Se7en is that it holds up so well after all these decades. I consider it to be a masterpiece and it put Fincher on the map (made over $300 million at the box office on a $30 million budget. Impressive!)
Also, I think it shits all over The Usual Suspects which seems so dated now (both came out in 95) . Spacey got the Oscar for the wrong role imo .
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 13, 2018 20:11:04 GMT
Absolutely fucking genius. One of the few classics of the 90s that deserves its reputation. Like many people, I feel Fincher is a little bit overrated. The Social Network came on and gets called "revolutionary" despite the story being not too revolutionary. Fight Club is entertaining, but I can't exactly grasp its clear achievement and resolution, and it's just not as good as Se7en. And obviously the new stuff he's done isn't on the level of any of these. But.... still, there's nothing to exaggerate with his earlier films. and while Fincher took a path that I didn't necessarily agree with later on, those early films of his merit the praise he deserves. I just think it's a very innovative, very visionary, very climactic,very alternative and Fincher's characters are understatedly nihilistic. Just one of the most memorable stages of unique characters with their folly. Also, Fincher also did well eradicating some cheesy 80s trends, by the time he came on, he was boss and people instantly forgot some of that 80s shit. Similar to what Cobain did with Nirvana, he made movies of that caliber highly appealing. Where previously no cinephiles were excited at violent thrillers because those could easily be dismissed as generic or commercial, Fincher made neo-thrillers the forefront of anticipation. Keep in mind, he was going against the immaculate Paul Verhoeven at the time with his own vision (Basic Instinct) and take on neo-thrillers. The new cinema wave of the 90s was such an exciting period. I'd love to be back in 1994-1995 with those great new crime movies dominating the circuit. It's a damn masterpiece and without a shadow of a doubt, my favorite Fincher by a mile. I'm on The Silence of the Lambs thread and watch it get unanimous uniform opinions, but Se7en simply destroys The Silence of the Lambs based on all "high" criteria. Silence of the Lambs is pop culture. Se7en is cinema. They're two different tiers.
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Post by Pavan on Feb 13, 2018 20:48:35 GMT
Very few films nailed the term 'atmosphere' and Se7en is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 20:48:59 GMT
Absolutely fucking genius. One of the few classics of the 90s that deserves its reputation. Like many people, I feel Fincher is a little bit overrated. The Social Network came on and gets called "revolutionary" despite the story being not too revolutionary. Fight Club is entertaining, but I can't exactly grasp its clear achievement and resolution, and it's just not as good as Se7en. And obviously the new stuff he's done isn't on the level of any of these. But.... still, there's nothing to exaggerate with his earlier films. and while Fincher took a path that I didn't necessarily agree with later on, those early films of his merit the praise he deserves. I just think it's a very innovative, very visionary, very climactic,very alternative and Fincher's characters are understatedly nihilistic. Just one of the most memorable stages of unique characters with their folly. Also, Fincher also did well eradicating some cheesy 80s trends, by the time he came on, he was boss and people instantly forgot some of that 80s shit. Similar to what Cobain did with Nirvana, he made movies of that caliber highly appealing. Where previously no cinephiles were excited at violent thrillers because those could easily be dismissed as generic or commercial, Fincher made neo-thrillers the forefront of anticipation. Keep in mind, he was going against the immaculate Paul Verhoeven at the time with his own vision (Basic Instinct) and take on neo-thrillers. The new cinema wave of the 90s was such an exciting period. I'd love to be back in 1994-1995 with those great new crime movies dominating the circuit. It's a damn masterpiece and without a shadow of a doubt, my favorite Fincher by a mile. I'm on The Silence of the Lambs thread and watch it get unanimous uniform opinions, but Se7en simply destroys The Silence of the Lambs based on all criteria I value. Silence of the Lambs is pop culture. Se7en is cinema. They're two different tiers. Cool post, I love reading first hand accounts about the "climate" of popular movie-dom before I was into it (or born even, I came around in '96). Out of curiosity, what do you think of Fincher's Zodiac?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 13, 2018 21:03:12 GMT
Absolutely fucking genius. One of the few classics of the 90s that deserves its reputation. Like many people, I feel Fincher is a little bit overrated. The Social Network came on and gets called "revolutionary" despite the story being not too revolutionary. Fight Club is entertaining, but I can't exactly grasp its clear achievement and resolution, and it's just not as good as Se7en. And obviously the new stuff he's done isn't on the level of any of these. But.... still, there's nothing to exaggerate with his earlier films. and while Fincher took a path that I didn't necessarily agree with later on, those early films of his merit the praise he deserves. I just think it's a very innovative, very visionary, very climactic,very alternative and Fincher's characters are understatedly nihilistic. Just one of the most memorable stages of unique characters with their folly. Also, Fincher also did well eradicating some cheesy 80s trends, by the time he came on, he was boss and people instantly forgot some of that 80s shit. Similar to what Cobain did with Nirvana, he made movies of that caliber highly appealing. Where previously no cinephiles were excited at violent thrillers because those could easily be dismissed as generic or commercial, Fincher made neo-thrillers the forefront of anticipation. Keep in mind, he was going against the immaculate Paul Verhoeven at the time with his own vision (Basic Instinct) and take on neo-thrillers. The new cinema wave of the 90s was such an exciting period. I'd love to be back in 1994-1995 with those great new crime movies dominating the circuit. It's a damn masterpiece and without a shadow of a doubt, my favorite Fincher by a mile. I'm on The Silence of the Lambs thread and watch it get unanimous uniform opinions, but Se7en simply destroys The Silence of the Lambs based on all criteria I value. Silence of the Lambs is pop culture. Se7en is cinema. They're two different tiers. Cool post, I love reading first hand accounts about the "climate" of popular movie-dom before I was into it (or born even, I came around in '96). Out of curiosity, what do you think of Fincher's Zodiac? I got a lot more where that came from. During the 80s, the "New Hollywood" fans of the 70s backed off some of their cinematic enthusiasm because the 80s didn't deliver what they wanted, or the types of movies those guys liked - it was a pretty bland period based solely on the Hollywood output. I'm not saying the 80s are bad, because it started up so many different subcultures that veer into their own niche and territory. For instance, fans of the "goth" music genre is partial to movies like Eraserhead. (I know it's a 70s film, but its 80s in style and you can argue it's the beginning of the 80s cult movement) I'm just saying the 90s are a "rebirth" of the 70s, because many of these movies: L.A. Confidential, Heat, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Boogie Nights, Magnolia resembles those movies of the 70s. That's one reason why I prefer '94-'95 so much, because those movies resemble the 70s stuff, but they have their own flair yet appropriately belong to their own movement. The 90s movement belongs to a class by themselves, they're not copycat of the 70s at all. Zodiac is objectively probably even greater than Se7en, but I find it hard to enjoy it, and for that, it loses 1 point on my scale. I know it's not anything the film did wrong, and I totally see "high cinema" values everyone says it has.
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Post by ibbi on Feb 13, 2018 21:22:15 GMT
Outstanding stuff. It was one of my first favourite movies. Is it subtle? Oh hell no. Is it fucking awesome? HELL YES IT IS!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 13, 2018 21:40:41 GMT
Fantastic thriller. Really genius script and great performances all around. This is the movie that made me a Fincher film.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Feb 13, 2018 21:55:23 GMT
Care to back up your opinion? If someone ever just responds to you with a sassy GIF to dismiss your point, then you know had they originally provided a thought-out opinion it'd be worthless to read in the first place.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 13, 2018 21:59:11 GMT
Care to back up your opinion? Only with an opinion that your opinion is flawed.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 13, 2018 22:02:14 GMT
Care to back up your opinion? If someone ever just responds to you with a sassy GIF to dismiss your point, then you know had they originally provided a thought-out opinion it'd be worthless to read in the first place. Well the sassy gif was in response to a sassy comment reducing Lambs as "pop culture" whilst touting Seven as "cinema". But think what you wanna think. Boogers.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 13, 2018 22:08:08 GMT
Care to back up your opinion? Only with an opinion that your opinion is flawed. Well geez, thought police/correction Nazi. I hope you have more important flaws to unflaw in your day.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Feb 13, 2018 22:09:16 GMT
If someone ever just responds to you with a sassy GIF to dismiss your point, then you know had they originally provided a thought-out opinion it'd be worthless to read in the first place. Well the sassy gif was in response to a sassy comment reducing Lambs as "pop culture" whilst touting Seven as "cinema". But think what you wanna think. Boogers. It's not necessarily that I'm in agreement with the statement, but there's nothing sassy or smug in labelling some films as pop culture and others as cinema. It makes sense having the perspective that a certain film is genuine art, whilst another is more of a product, but if you're going to disagree with his point in such a manner you could at least attempt to refute his claim in the process too, so you can, ya know, actually spark some debate.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 13, 2018 22:13:05 GMT
I love the ending as much as the next guy, but what I really love about Se7en is the actual investigation (that fucking guy strapped to his bed will always give me nightmares), which stems from Law And Order and goes into CSI territory before CSI was even conceived as a tv show; and I also love those moving scenes between Freeman and Paltrow.
Not Fincher's best (and this says a lot) but still an incredible work.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 13, 2018 22:14:06 GMT
Lord_Buscemi urbanpatricianDon't mind me, I'll just over there with my gifs! (no, but seriously don't mind me I'll be sure not to respond to either of you in the future since I'm a giant manchild who loves his pop culture... and his gifs!)
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