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Post by doodle on Jan 22, 2018 3:31:32 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jan 22, 2018 3:36:56 GMT
No. Three Billboards is a flawed movie, but it is not a racist one. Its biggest issue is that it tries to paint too broad a brush across a spectrum of hot-button issues (police brutality, racial intolerance, small-town ignorance, violence towards women), and unfortunately it becomes a bit unwieldy and unfocused at times. But no, it is not racist, and a lot of people who complain that the film wants us to think that Dixon is redeemed at the end are missing the point of his character entirely. He is not redeemed. He shows a moment of clarity, and he seeks some modicum of atonement, but he is not redeemed. He has taken up a path that could lead him to more unlawful violence, but he is showing remorse and self-doubt, which could put him on the track of being a better person. And Mildred, who is so eaten up with rage and bitterness, begins to soften. The themes that McDonagh tries to explore are all worthy of their own film, but it winds up coming off as overstuffed for a two-hour film.
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Post by Viced on Jan 22, 2018 3:36:59 GMT
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 22, 2018 3:41:09 GMT
Of course not.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 22, 2018 3:41:18 GMT
No, fuck off.
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Post by Lubezki on Jan 22, 2018 3:41:41 GMT
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Post by dazed on Jan 22, 2018 3:58:32 GMT
This is starting to get old now.
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Post by pendragon on Jan 22, 2018 4:16:38 GMT
...a lot of people who complain that the film wants us to think that Dixon is redeemed at the end are missing the point of his character entirely. He is not redeemed. He shows a moment of clarity, and he seeks some modicum of atonement, but he is not redeemed. He has taken up a path that could lead him to more unlawful violence, but he is showing remorse and self-doubt, which could put him on the track of being a better person... Exactly this. Far too many people look at characters as if they're either good or bad and get completely thrown out of wack when dealing with moral ambiguity. They also seem to think that movies always endorse the actions of their protagonists unless those actions are explicitly called out. It's the same simple-minded approach that befell Zero Dark Thirty. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 22, 2018 4:17:16 GMT
No. I don't get their point or the controversy.
3BNEM depicts a society filled with corruption, hate, and violence. All of the characters are deeply flawed and make bad decisions. But all of the characters have a redemptive arc, and come to the realization that hate and violence creates more hate and violence.
The movie doesn't pretend to be "realistic", but everything is consistent logically and when the end credits role, you realize that it's not really a murder mystery tale. It's about SOCIETY as a whole and how our culture is overly consumed by corruption, hate, and violence. The message of the film is about love, compassion, and forgiveness. It's not about hating on black people or whatever criticism these "backlash" folks claim. I suspect that these "critics" were not paying attention and using their brain. In fact, John Hawkes even spells out the main theme. See the trailer if you know what I mean.
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Post by stephen on Jan 22, 2018 4:19:52 GMT
...a lot of people who complain that the film wants us to think that Dixon is redeemed at the end are missing the point of his character entirely. He is not redeemed. He shows a moment of clarity, and he seeks some modicum of atonement, but he is not redeemed. He has taken up a path that could lead him to more unlawful violence, but he is showing remorse and self-doubt, which could put him on the track of being a better person... Exactly this. Far too many people look at characters as if they're either good or bad and get completely thrown out of wack when dealing with moral ambiguity. They also seem to think that movies always endorse the actions of their protagonists unless those actions are explicitly called out. It's the same simple-minded approach that befell Zero Dark Thirty. It is remarkable how people seem to want films to revert back to the Hays Code when it comes to character morality. |
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Post by joephoenix on Jan 22, 2018 4:48:22 GMT
No.
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Post by Miles Morales on Jan 22, 2018 9:49:54 GMT
No. There's a difference between a racist film and a film about racism. Three Billboards is maybe not exclusively about racism, but it's about extremely flawed people, a town swept up in too much hatred and has a great deal of moral ambiguity. Also, its message goes against the notion of it being a racist film; that nothing can be achieved if we keep harbouring hatred and anger against people for no good reason.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 22, 2018 9:58:09 GMT
No. I don't get their point or the controversy. 3BNEM depicts a society filled with corruption, hate, and violence. All of the characters are deeply flawed and make bad decisions. But all of the characters have a redemptive arc, and come to the realization that hate and violence creates more hate and violence. The movie doesn't pretend to be "realistic", but everything is consistent logically and when the end credits role, you realize that it's not really a murder mystery tale. It's about SOCIETY as a whole and how our culture is overly consumed by corruption, hate, and violence. The message of the film is about love, compassion, and forgiveness. It's not about hating on black people or whatever criticism these "backlash" folks claim. I suspect that these "critics" were not paying attention and using their brain. In fact, John Hawkes even spells out the main theme. See the trailer if you know what I mean. IE: you gotta let stuff go sort of akin to what Hawkes says?. In many ways yes. He said anger creates greater anger. |
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Post by doodle on Jan 22, 2018 10:32:10 GMT
You are offended so it's gotta be yes |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 22, 2018 10:32:49 GMT
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 22, 2018 12:25:10 GMT
A better question would be--
Is it racist in the same way La La Land is about a privileged white boy saving jazz and Zero Dark Thirty is pro-torture?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 22, 2018 13:01:55 GMT
Not only, no, but rather it conveys the full scope of our damaged worldview.
We live in a world where, legitimately people have told me to my face that The Godfather is an example of old racist films (no AA's, no gay characters, all Italians portrayed negatively, no women really). We live in a world where it's worse to be in a Woody Allen film (never charged, cleared etc) than a Roman Polanski (admitted, convicted rapist) one. We live in a world where the US President regularly has to deny what he clearly just said over and over again.
Regularly.
The film is about that connection between worldview, personal politics and politics at large - and how choices we make everyday connect to it. The films that it gets "compared" to - many of them great films even (Pulp Fiction for one, Crash as ludicrously wrong lesser example), are completely at odds with how much this film has on its mind or how it goes about illuminating it. That's why I think it's going to take time for people and viewings to process it - I've seen it twice, called it a masterpiece after the first time and liked it even more the second. To truly get it, it helps to be familiar with McDonagh's plays because he wrote a lot (much of it great) before he wrote The Pillowman which took everything he had done, upped the ante on everything he had to say.
3 BB's like The Pillowman is so far ahead of the curve that it defies easy classification like "racist" and the other films this year (all years actually) seem awfully dishonest about the world they think they're portraying.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jan 22, 2018 18:15:37 GMT
I'm starting to hate James Dean's face because of you.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 22, 2018 18:41:24 GMT
You are offended so it's gotta be yes There's a difference between offense and annoyance. You and your silly article fall into the latter part. |
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Post by doodle on Jan 22, 2018 19:22:32 GMT
You are offended so it's gotta be yes There's a difference between offense and annoyance. You and your silly article fall into the latter part. Same difference |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 22, 2018 19:38:30 GMT
There's a difference between offense and annoyance. You and your silly article fall into the latter part. Same difference No, Sunshine. |
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Post by doodle on Jan 22, 2018 19:38:34 GMT
I'm starting to hate James Dean's face because of you. how do you think it feels having to look at matthew mccaunagheys |
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Post by doodle on Jan 22, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
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Post by Feesy on Jan 22, 2018 19:49:16 GMT
Nope.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Jan 22, 2018 20:09:29 GMT
A film that deals with racism is not racist. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Depiction is not endorsement.
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