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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2018 22:06:02 GMT
The Soon-yi stuff (while incredibly sketchy) has little to no bearing on the matter of Dylan. Him claiming that he wasn't in the attic when they found a hair on a painting there is a little more damning, but it doesn't really prove anything. The whole situation is so murky that planting a firm flag on one side or the other is a bit problematic because there's just as much to contradict one side as there is to support it. Well I wouldn't say it has no bearing since it shows Allen willfully began an affair with someone he knew as a child, as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters, possibly as a child in his household. He can deny he was ever a father figure to her however he was definitely her mother's partner while she was growing up. I do agree though that it does not confirm his guilt, but it doesn't paint him as a savory character either way. In terms of the Dylan situation, it speaks more to his character than to anything untoward he did specifically to her, but it does certainly paint him in an incredibly skeevy light and it also speaks to why Mia Farrow harbors such vitriol toward him. But that's the inherent issue with this particular case: it's all built on supposition, hearsay, moral gray areas and blame being tossed around like hand grenades.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2018 22:09:49 GMT
The Soon-yi stuff (while incredibly sketchy) has little to no bearing on the matter of Dylan. Him claiming that he wasn't in the attic when they found a hair on a painting there is a little more damning, but it doesn't really prove anything. The whole situation is so murky that planting a firm flag on one side or the other is a bit problematic because there's just as much to contradict one side as there is to support it. Well I wouldn't say it has no bearing since it shows Allen willfully began an affair with someone he knew as a child, as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters, possibly as a child in his household. He can deny he was ever a father figure to her however he was definitely her mother's partner while she was growing up. I do agree though that it does not confirm his guilt, but it doesn't paint him as a savory character either way. We really need to stop this "willfully began an affair with someone he knew was a child as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters" You're kidding right? Where does it show that? That he was in his attic isn't a little more damning either. Maybe one of his hairs was on Dylan's shirt or Mia's or anybody else's and was brought into the attic, maybe he forgot that he went in the attic. Hardly damning....... there's no there..........
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Post by finniussnrub on Jan 16, 2018 22:44:03 GMT
Well I wouldn't say it has no bearing since it shows Allen willfully began an affair with someone he knew as a child, as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters, possibly as a child in his household. He can deny he was ever a father figure to her however he was definitely her mother's partner while she was growing up. I do agree though that it does not confirm his guilt, but it doesn't paint him as a savory character either way. We really need to stop this "willfully began an affair with someone he knew was a child as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters" You're kidding right? Where does it show that? That he was in his attic isn't a little more damning either. Maybe one of his hairs was on Dylan's shirt or Mia's or anybody else's and was brought into the attic, maybe he forgot that he went in the attic. Hardly damning....... there's no there.......... I was only referring to the fact that she's in Hannah and Her Sisters as a child as proof that he obviously engaged with her as a child in someway, not necessarily in a problematic way, at that time anyways.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2018 22:58:05 GMT
We really need to stop this "willfully began an affair with someone he knew was a child as evidenced by Hannah and Her Sisters" You're kidding right? Where does it show that? That he was in his attic isn't a little more damning either. Maybe one of his hairs was on Dylan's shirt or Mia's or anybody else's and was brought into the attic, maybe he forgot that he went in the attic. Hardly damning....... there's no there.......... I was only referring to the fact that she's in Hannah and Her Sisters as a child as proof that he obviously engaged with her as a child in someway, not necessarily in a problematic way, at that time anyways. woody adopted her, right? So of course he interacted with her.
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2018 23:09:34 GMT
I was only referring to the fact that she's in Hannah and Her Sisters as a child as proof that he obviously engaged with her as a child in someway, not necessarily in a problematic way, at that time anyways. woody adopted her, right? So of course he interacted with her. Common (and harmful) misconception: he did not adopt her.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2018 23:16:55 GMT
woody adopted her, right? So of course he interacted with her. Common (and harmful) misconception: he did not adopt her. I thought woody adopted moses and dylan.
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2018 23:25:36 GMT
Common (and harmful) misconception: he did not adopt her. I thought woody adopted moses and dylan. I thought you meant Soon-yi. In any case, Allen did not take part in the adoption process but was indeed more of a parental figure to her than he ever was to Soon-yi.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2018 23:42:00 GMT
I thought woody adopted moses and dylan. I thought you meant Soon-yi. In any case, Allen did not take part in the adoption process but was indeed more of a parental figure to her than he ever was to Soon-yi. i.just googled. Says that woody did legally adopt her. I was responding to posterabove me who attempted to claim that since dylan was in Hannah and sisters....whatever he was trying to say. My point was of course he interacted with dylan, legally he's her father.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jan 17, 2018 0:13:51 GMT
Oh honey I've always been confused about Woody Allen but most because I wouldn't put it passed Mia Farrow to be deranged... wasn't it Moses Farrow who suggested that years after it happened?
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 17, 2018 2:29:58 GMT
As Baldwin said: "This is a charge that was investigated aggressively and resulted in nothing. What would it take for you to at least consider that he is telling the truth?" Pedophilia accusations are something that should not be taken lightly, they're the kind of real-world situation that shouldn't be transformed into a media circus, and unfortunately it has become one in this case. Hollywood's facing a crucial turning point, and the gender-dynamics are something that needs to change. But Allen has been taken as a token (haha) by people who simply don't understand, or choose the ignore, the facts. It is heartbreaking to see this whole mess. I do believe he's innocent - wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't, but as of now, we have more reason to believe he is. It's infuriating to see the same people who work for and defend the convict, proven and self-declared rapist-pedophile Roman Polanski attack Allen, just because the latter is more on the spotlight. And it's also infuriating to see people who knew the allegations, worked with Allen anyway and now throw him under the bus. If Polanski managed to keep working, I think Allen will too. Maybe he should make his next one in Spain or something and hire Diane Keaton or someone like that. Oh, God...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 17, 2018 3:23:23 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 17, 2018 16:58:57 GMT
I'm gonna sound like a scumbag, but that's two red flags to start off her statement.
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Post by quetee on Jan 17, 2018 18:35:08 GMT
I'm gonna sound like a scumbag, but that's two red flags to start off her statement. not good.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 17, 2018 19:13:55 GMT
i'm p sure it shouldn't be an especially controversial opinion either way; i think the guilty and not guilty sides both have their legit stances and i sort of remain on neutral ground but generally think he's a creepy dude. if someone wants to think he's guilty and use the money you got from him for a good cause then so be it; what's the problem here, again??
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 17, 2018 19:25:20 GMT
i'm p sure it shouldn't be an especially controversial opinion either way; i think the guilty and not guilty sides both have their legit stances and i sort of remain on neutral ground but generally think he's a creepy dude. if someone wants to think he's guilty and use the money you got from him for a good cause then so be it; what's the problem here, again?? Because if he's not guilty, it's a pretty shitty thing to denounce a guy for something he didn't do. Paycheck donated or not.
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Post by quetee on Jan 17, 2018 20:32:21 GMT
i'm p sure it shouldn't be an especially controversial opinion either way; i think the guilty and not guilty sides both have their legit stances and i sort of remain on neutral ground but generally think he's a creepy dude. if someone wants to think he's guilty and use the money you got from him for a good cause then so be it; what's the problem here, again?? Because if he's not guilty, it's a pretty shitty thing to denounce a guy for something he didn't do. Paycheck donated or not. the truth will eventually come out. I'm having a hard time with the fact that moses says she lying and he's a family therapist. I doubt someone who has no desire to be part of the hollywood system would put his reputation on the line. Also, I'm having a problem with the fact that there are no other victims.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 17, 2018 20:34:43 GMT
i'm p sure it shouldn't be an especially controversial opinion either way; i think the guilty and not guilty sides both have their legit stances and i sort of remain on neutral ground but generally think he's a creepy dude. if someone wants to think he's guilty and use the money you got from him for a good cause then so be it; what's the problem here, again?? Because if he's not guilty, it's a pretty shitty thing to denounce a guy for something he didn't do. Paycheck donated or not. allen's reputation is not going to be destroyed by this if it hasn't already lmao
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 17, 2018 22:29:47 GMT
I'm gonna sound like a scumbag, but that's two red flags to start off her statement. And maybe I shouldn't go there, but fuck it, there is something about even the description of the abuse where she says Woody Allen promised her he'd put her in a movie. It rang as something coached from Mia for her to say, not something from Woody Allen. It rang false to me. Obviously, we don't know the truth. But to me, there's something I don't trust about Mia Farrow's handling of it at all. I'm sorry. That's the way I feel. I have sympathy for Dylan either way.
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Post by sirjeremy on Jan 17, 2018 22:44:58 GMT
I'm gonna sound like a scumbag, but that's two red flags to start off her statement. And maybe I shouldn't go there, but fuck it, there is something about even the description of the abuse where she says Woody Allen promised her he'd put her in a movie. It rang as something coached from Mia for her to say, not something from Woody Allen. It rang false to me. Obviously, we don't know the truth. But to me, there's something I don't trust about Mia Farrow's handling of it at all. I'm sorry. That's the way I feel. I have sympathy for Dylan either way. Agree with what you've both said. Also, the 'why shouldn't I' repetition screams out to me 'PR speak'. Just read that Allen's latest statement is published tomorrow: www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-1.16227838
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Post by quetee on Jan 17, 2018 23:05:54 GMT
I'm gonna sound like a scumbag, but that's two red flags to start off her statement. And maybe I shouldn't go there, but fuck it, there is something about even the description of the abuse where she says Woody Allen promised her he'd put her in a movie. It rang as something coached from Mia for her to say, not something from Woody Allen. It rang false to me. Obviously, we don't know the truth. But to me, there's something I don't trust about Mia Farrow's handling of it at all. I'm sorry. That's the way I feel. I have sympathy for Dylan either way. dylan was 7 at the time. So he promised a 7 year old.
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Post by quetee on Jan 17, 2018 23:10:37 GMT
And maybe I shouldn't go there, but fuck it, there is something about even the description of the abuse where she says Woody Allen promised her he'd put her in a movie. It rang as something coached from Mia for her to say, not something from Woody Allen. It rang false to me. Obviously, we don't know the truth. But to me, there's something I don't trust about Mia Farrow's handling of it at all. I'm sorry. That's the way I feel. I have sympathy for Dylan either way. Agree with what you've both said. Also, the 'why shouldn't I' repetition screams out to me 'PR speak'. Just read that Allen's latest statement is published tomorrow: www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-1.16227838one imp fact : he was able to adopt more kids.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 18, 2018 12:59:35 GMT
Honestly Allen should just cast his next movie right now with Judy Davis and Diane Keaton - use it for his Art. Do you think he'll be able to make another film at this rate? He will. He was still able to maintain his pace and put out one or more projects a year even in the immediate aftermath of the Dylan accusations coming out in 1992, so I imagine the same will happen now. I do think he'll turn to Europe again for his next film and it might have less A-listers involved, but I don't think this will stop him if he wants to keep up. I'm praying he cranks out another Deconstructing Harry-type self-deprecating acid comedy to address the controversy. (I'm also praying that if/when that happens, he takes his time polishing the script.)
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2018 13:18:53 GMT
Woody has never worked with DeNiro, Hoffman (who would have been perfect for every role Woody himself played), Pacino, Nicholson, one small one with Hackman, back to never for Duvall, Redford, Beatty, Eastwood, Washington, Hanks, once with Penn, back to 0 for Jane Fonda, Jessica Lange, Sarandon, Sally Field, Streep post-Manhattan............and his casts are always amazing, how many times have people said a Woody film was "poorly cast"
He'll be fine, because he can write (even at 82, Wonder Wheel had some screenplay gaps imo but it has some great insights too), you can always find actors for films like his because he's not making typical Hollywood fare.
This "no one will work with him" nonsense is laughable.......
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 18, 2018 13:30:32 GMT
Wonder Wheel was better than the reception it got imo and it suggested he had some heavy things on his mind too which kind of surprised me. Agreed on both counts. The parallels to his own personal life are stunning-- the romantic triangle involving a self-absorbed wannabe writer, a married woman and her young stepdaughter, the "heart wants what it wants" talk, the the older woman's cruel and dramatic revenge for being abandoned. Blue Jasmine used that exact same plot point too, but it has completely different significance coming from him in Wonder Wheel given how closely everything else in the story resembles his drama with Farrow. He didn't even try to conceal it. I'm really curious to see how the Jude Law/Elle Fanning plotline in his next film plays out. Lately it seems like he immediately follows his more dramatic pieces with breezy comedies ( Match Point/ Scoop, Blue Jasmine/ Magic in the Moonlight), but it'll be interesting even if just for the reactions.
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Post by sirjeremy on Jan 18, 2018 15:45:04 GMT
www.cbsnews.com/news/woody-allen-responds-dylan-farrow-sexual-abuse-allegations/"When this claim was first made more than 25 years ago, it was thoroughly investigated by both the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale-New Haven Hospital and New York State Child Welfare. They both did so for many months and independently concluded that no molestation had ever taken place. Instead, they found it likely a vulnerable child had been coached to tell the story by her angry mother during a contentious breakup.
Dylan's older brother Moses has said that he witnessed their mother doing exactly that – relentlessly coaching Dylan, trying to drum into her that her father was a dangerous sexual predator. It seems to have worked – and, sadly, I'm sure Dylan truly believes what she says.
But even though the Farrow family is cynically using the opportunity afforded by the Time's Up movement to repeat this discredited allegation, that doesn't make it any more true today than it was in the past. I never molested my daughter – as all investigations concluded a quarter of a century ago."
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