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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2018 18:16:57 GMT
This is who you elected, America. What a fucking idiot. Also, during this week, he said he’s considering loosening up the libel laws in order to have repercussions for people that make ‘false statements’. Yet, majority of people who call others snowflakes and complain about the left wanting to take away free speech won’t bat an eye to this. Oh, so he cares about this cause it affects him..... Then again, all of the statements that people said about him are mostly true. The man is a proven racist. There is no longer a debate on this issue. And people sit here and bitch and moan about how we continue to allow people to get away with things. We don't call them on his/her bullshit because of fear. That's how monsters such as Weinstein and Trump continue to exist. People need to start being strong and stand up to this nonsense. The republicans are beyond weak to sit back and allow him to continue on this path. They continue to do so because they want his/her agenda pushed through but how does that help any of us. Then fast forward ten years from now, we will all be having the conversation of why and how we elected a racist and why nobody did anything about it. Ho hum. Whatever.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 13, 2018 19:01:33 GMT
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Post by dazed on Jan 13, 2018 20:26:30 GMT
Too funny. Being someone from another country, America’s image has really taken a hit since the Trump presidency.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 13, 2018 20:34:56 GMT
Too funny. Being someone from another country, America’s image has really taken a hit since the Trump presidency. OT : Where are you from ? I'm from France.
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Post by dazed on Jan 13, 2018 20:39:54 GMT
Too funny. Being someone from another country, America’s image has really taken a hit since the Trump presidency. OT : Where are you from ? I'm from France. Canada. Just a couple hour drive from the U.S border actually.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 14, 2018 2:07:25 GMT
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Jan 14, 2018 2:23:26 GMT
Lol, this whole discussion just reminded me of this scene from Clueless:
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 14, 2018 5:16:28 GMT
Trump is a shitty awful human being. I wish I could say I was surprised by his comments, but somehow he keeps surprising with how worse he gets.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 14, 2018 20:42:54 GMT
So I guess I was right.
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Post by quetee on Jan 14, 2018 22:58:07 GMT
linkThe Trump Tower. Ha ha
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Post by tobias on Jan 25, 2018 17:18:19 GMT
There's more Norwegians in the United States than there are in Norway (approx 4.5 mil vs 86% of 5.2 mil) I don't think they consider us a "shithole country" That's total and utter bullshit. You wouldn't claim that America only hosts 22 mio. Americans, would you (because that's what the excact same survey says)? These are people that claim Norwegian ancestry which means that somewhere down the line one or two of their ancestors were Norwegians. And you ought to be clever enough to see how that works: 1 gen: 2 parents 2 gen: 4 grandparents 3 gen: 8 4 gen: 16 5 gen: 32 6 gen: 64 Out of one actual Norwegian some generations back there can be hundreds of people claiming Norwegian ancestry. It's a lunatic concept. You most definitely DO NOT have 44 million germans. At the very, very best 2 million people that have any clue whatsoever about Germany. And with Norway it will be less than 100.000. Read this: waitbutwhy.com/2014/01/your-family-past-present-and-future.htmlAnd look at this and try to find "norwegian": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_StatesThere are plenty of Europeans that consider the US a "shithole country" (consider the news we get from you, most people believe you just elected a clown for president, that you have a massive poverty problem, shitty healthcare and a weapon problem) and Norway has the very best track record to do that. They have just about the highest standards in the world. And especially Scandinavians tend to be rather sensitive of well being and community. By Norwegian standards people would definitely consider US healthcare to be something right out of a "shithole". Even neo-classisists are not that stupid dude. I'm gonna give you a hint: Economy works because people have money. If you pay them shit wages, demand will fall and economy will do worse. And you can see that everywhere. In Greece they pushed wages way down and what happened? Unemployment rose by 15 %. So that worked out wonderfully of course. It's similar with healthcare: Your healthcare is the most expensive in the world for fuck sake. It's cheaper in the countries where the government intervenes because people that are scared to death are not what economists call "rational agents". Your economic ideas sound like they are right out of a PragerU video. Go read some actual economists instead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 8:18:37 GMT
And I think most Haitians would agree that their country is a shithole. i wouldn't koalify Haiti for the label of a country. America is a country, and a bad one at that.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 19:52:06 GMT
The man is a proven racist. Where is this proof?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 20:05:59 GMT
Even neo-classisists are not that stupid dude. I'm gonna give you a hint: Economy works because people have money. If you pay them shit wages, demand will fall and economy will do worse. And you can see that everywhere. In Greece they pushed wages way down and what happened? Unemployment rose by 15 %. So that worked out wonderfully of course. It's similar with healthcare: Your healthcare is the most expensive in the world for fuck sake. It's cheaper in the countries where the government intervenes because people that are scared to death are not what economists call "rational agents". Your economic ideas sound like they are right out of a PragerU video. Go read some actual economists instead. Economy works because people have money. If you pay them shit wages, demand will fall and economy will do worse.Do you honestly think companies will start paying their workers a quid an hour if the minimum wage is removed? Companies need the population to have disposable income so they're not gonna pay people slave wages. In Greece they pushed wages way down and what happened?It wasn't the wages that collapsed Greece you nonce. They had to default on their debt, the Euro bollocked their economy and their government was very left, very pro socialist. It's similar with healthcare: Your healthcare is the most expensive in the world for fuck sake.What are you talking about? I'm Irish. It's not my healthcare. American healthcare is expensive because it's a highly regulated market. But it does offer the best healthcare in the world. It's cheaper in the countries where the government intervenes because people that are scared to death are not what economists call "rational agents".
Where is it cheaper? Canada? My great-Aunt died there because it took 8 months just to get a fucking cat-scan. That's what happens with socialised healthcare. They ration their care. Why do you think everyone bitches about how ineffective the NHS is in Britain. Your economic ideas sound like they are right out of a PragerU video. Go read some actual economists instead.I don't watch those videos but if they're free market videos then yes I agree with them along with most economists. Also why didn't I get a notification on this?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 20:09:36 GMT
This is who you elected, America. What a fucking idiot. Also, during this week, he said he’s considering loosening up the libel laws in order to have repercussions for people that make ‘false statements’. Yet, majority of people who call others snowflakes and complain about the left wanting to take away free speech won’t bat an eye to this. I mean how many times do left wingers call people fascist or Nazi like Ben Shapiro when it's not true. If you go on tv and call Shapiro a Nazi then I think he should be able to sue.
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2018 20:21:13 GMT
What a fucking idiot. Also, during this week, he said he’s considering loosening up the libel laws in order to have repercussions for people that make ‘false statements’. Yet, majority of people who call others snowflakes and complain about the left wanting to take away free speech won’t bat an eye to this. I mean how many times do left wingers call people fascist or Nazi like Ben Shapiro when it's not true. If you go on tv and call Shapiro a Nazi then I think he should be able to sue. So should Fox News hosts be sued for calling Bernie a communist then? Should Alex Jones be sued for calling Obama and Clinton literal spawns of demons? Both sides incorrectly call people what they aren’t. By loosening up the libel laws, you have to prove the damages that are done. Which opens up a whole other can of worms. From someone that’s supposedly all for free speech, you should be against this idea.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 20:32:21 GMT
I mean how many times do left wingers call people fascist or Nazi like Ben Shapiro when it's not true. If you go on tv and call Shapiro a Nazi then I think he should be able to sue. So should Fox News hosts be sued for calling Bernie a communist then? Should Alex Jones be sued for calling Obama and Clinton literal spawns of demons? Both sides incorrectly call people what they aren’t. By loosening up the libel laws, you have to prove the damages that are done. Which opens up a whole other can of worms. From someone that’s supposedly all for free speech, you should be against this idea. No I agree that you have to prove damages. Most left leaning millenial types in America think Trump's a fascist. That's pretty damaging but who can you specifically blame for that. Also I don't think Bernie could have a case since he lived in a commune and was even so worthless that he got kicked out.
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2018 20:47:09 GMT
So should Fox News hosts be sued for calling Bernie a communist then? Should Alex Jones be sued for calling Obama and Clinton literal spawns of demons? Both sides incorrectly call people what they aren’t. By loosening up the libel laws, you have to prove the damages that are done. Which opens up a whole other can of worms. From someone that’s supposedly all for free speech, you should be against this idea. No I agree that you have to prove damages. Most left leaning millenial types in America think Trump's a fascist. That's pretty damaging but who can you specifically blame for that. Also I don't think Bernie could have a case since he lived in a commune and was even so worthless that he got kicked out. Can you site a poll about majority of left wing millennials thinking Trump is a fascist? Not saying I don’t believe you, and I do think they’d have a higher percentage than any other generation of believing so, but I have a hard time seeing a majority of them thinking that. And exactly. That’s the issue. It’s hard to prove, which will create an array of problems. As for Bernie, calling him a socialist is one thing (although he’s a social democrat, he incorrectly calls himself a democractic socialist, so that is partly his fault), a communist is a whole other issue. I don’t think there’s nearly enough there to justify that whatsoever.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 8, 2018 20:58:17 GMT
I mean how many times do left wingers call people fascist or Nazi like Ben Shapiro when it's not true. If you go on tv and call Shapiro a Nazi then I think he should be able to sue. So should Fox News hosts be sued for calling Bernie a communist then? Should Alex Jones be sued for calling Obama and Clinton literal spawns of demons?Both sides incorrectly call people what they aren’t. By loosening up the libel laws, you have to prove the damages that are done. Which opens up a whole other can of worms. From someone that’s supposedly all for free speech, you should be against this idea. *literal demon potbelly goblins
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 20:59:45 GMT
No I agree that you have to prove damages. Most left leaning millenial types in America think Trump's a fascist. That's pretty damaging but who can you specifically blame for that. Also I don't think Bernie could have a case since he lived in a commune and was even so worthless that he got kicked out. Can you site a poll about majority of left wing millennials thinking Trump is a fascist? Not saying I don’t believe you, and I do think they’d have a higher percentage than any other generation of believing so, but I have a hard time seeing a majority of them thinking that. And exactly. That’s the issue. It’s hard to prove, which will create an array of problems. As for Bernie, calling him a socialist is one thing (although he’s a social democrat, he incorrectly calls himself a democractic socialist, so that is partly his fault), a communist is a whole other issue. I don’t think there’s nearly enough there to justify that whatsoever. I was being slightly hyperbolic but clearly you know what I'm talking about. Also I'm not saying Bernie's a communist (about 2 steps away from one) but him living in a commune would be evidence enough to throw out any case.
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2018 22:03:15 GMT
Can you site a poll about majority of left wing millennials thinking Trump is a fascist? Not saying I don’t believe you, and I do think they’d have a higher percentage than any other generation of believing so, but I have a hard time seeing a majority of them thinking that. And exactly. That’s the issue. It’s hard to prove, which will create an array of problems. As for Bernie, calling him a socialist is one thing (although he’s a social democrat, he incorrectly calls himself a democractic socialist, so that is partly his fault), a communist is a whole other issue. I don’t think there’s nearly enough there to justify that whatsoever. I was being slightly hyperbolic but clearly you know what I'm talking about. Also I'm not saying Bernie's a communist (about 2 steps away from one) but him living in a commune would be evidence enough to throw out any case. I disagree about the commune point. I’m sure I could find Trump statements that would seem evident to him being a fascist. It’s quite clear that he’s not though. Anyone that says otherwise, is just fear mongering. Same goes with Bernie. Go policy by policy, and it’s quite clear that he’s a social democrat. Take 10 minutes to research the guy, and anyone will know he’s not a communist. The amount of people I come across on the right who thinks that Bernie is actually a communist is quite surreal. So it goes both ways. On the American spectrum, he’s far left. That’s not debatable. I always bring up the point though that if he was in a country such as Denmark or Norway, he’s without a doubt a centrist. If he was in my country, Canada, he’d be running with the NDP party. Which is centrist left. What people need to start doing in order to get their information is to stop watching corporate media, such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc and find some independent media online in order to get their information.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 8, 2018 22:10:05 GMT
I was being slightly hyperbolic but clearly you know what I'm talking about. Also I'm not saying Bernie's a communist (about 2 steps away from one) but him living in a commune would be evidence enough to throw out any case. What people need to start doing in order to get their information is to stop watching corporate media, such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc and find some independent media online in order to get their information. Like Breitbart!
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2018 22:14:37 GMT
What people need to start doing in order to get their information is to stop watching corporate media, such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc and find some independent media online in order to get their information. Like Breitbart! What I should’ve said is that people need to start choosing independent media WISELY in order to get their information.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 23:06:53 GMT
I was being slightly hyperbolic but clearly you know what I'm talking about. Also I'm not saying Bernie's a communist (about 2 steps away from one) but him living in a commune would be evidence enough to throw out any case. I disagree about the commune point. I’m sure I could find Trump statements that would seem evident to him being a fascist. It’s quite clear that he’s not though. Anyone that says otherwise, is just fear mongering. Same goes with Bernie. Go policy by policy, and it’s quite clear that he’s a social democrat. Take 10 minutes to research the guy, and anyone will know he’s not a communist. The amount of people I come across on the right who thinks that Bernie is actually a communist is quite surreal. So it goes both ways. On the American spectrum, he’s far left. That’s not debatable. I always bring up the point though that if he was in a country such as Denmark or Norway, he’s without a doubt a centrist. If he was in my country, Canada, he’d be running with the NDP party. Which is centrist left. What people need to start doing in order to get their information is to stop watching corporate media, such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc and find some independent media online in order to get their information. Denmark and Norway are more capitalist than he is. It's easier for businesses in Scandinavia than let's say France or Germany with less regulations. Hell in some regards they are better than the US. Bernie proposes a shit ton of them. What the Scandinavians have is higher taxes for their social programs and spend very little on defense. Also the independent media online are The Young Turks (far left Bernie shills), Infowars (Alex Jones conspiracy nuts) and Rebel Media (unwittingly an Alt-Right preference).
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2018 23:31:11 GMT
I disagree about the commune point. I’m sure I could find Trump statements that would seem evident to him being a fascist. It’s quite clear that he’s not though. Anyone that says otherwise, is just fear mongering. Same goes with Bernie. Go policy by policy, and it’s quite clear that he’s a social democrat. Take 10 minutes to research the guy, and anyone will know he’s not a communist. The amount of people I come across on the right who thinks that Bernie is actually a communist is quite surreal. So it goes both ways. On the American spectrum, he’s far left. That’s not debatable. I always bring up the point though that if he was in a country such as Denmark or Norway, he’s without a doubt a centrist. If he was in my country, Canada, he’d be running with the NDP party. Which is centrist left. What people need to start doing in order to get their information is to stop watching corporate media, such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc and find some independent media online in order to get their information. Denmark and Norway are more capitalist than he is. It's easier for businesses in Scandinavia than let's say France or Germany with less regulations. Hell in some regards they are better than the US. Bernie proposes a shit ton of them. What the Scandinavians have is higher taxes for their social programs and spend very little on defense. Also the independent media online are The Young Turks (far left Bernie shills), Infowars (Alex Jones conspiracy nuts) and Rebel Media (unwittingly an Alt-Right preference). I’ve seen a lot of danish people say how Bernie’s political plan aligns close with their current system. He’s said time and time again how he wants America to look like Denmark. He’s the only politician I know that’s been saying that. His major policies like a single payer system, free college tuition, higher minimum wage (I know Denmark and Norway don’t have a minimum wage, but the workers association allows for their pay to be even higher), higher taxes on rich, pushing for renewable energy, stronger unions, parental leave, paid vacation time, etc all align with their policies. You’ll find some people on the right even agreeing with him on a lot of those policies. And even if you believe that Bernie is to the left of those countries, it wouldn’t matter anyways because not all of his proposals will get through the way he wants them to. They’ll have to come to an agreement, which would push his proposals to the right of what he wants. That’s the worst of the independent media outlets. There’s way more options than just those that are far better. Such as The Humanist Report and Secular Talk (which is my favorite). They’re on the left, but yeah. Kyle Kulinski bashes Democrats damn near as much as he bashes Republicans. Going the independent route, you have a lot more options than what’s on TV. If people want to listen to Alex Jones and take him seriously, then there’s honestly nothing you can do.
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