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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 0:52:17 GMT
Wow, actually, African immigrants to this country are some of the most highly-educated people and Haitians who come over here are some of the most hardworking people. And you were trying to argue that there's no way Norway could look down on the US because there is a higher Norwegian population over here. But most of those people here are here because their ancestors immigrated here centuries ago, not in recent times, so that argument doesn't hold up is what I'm saying. I didn't say African immigrants weren't highly educated. Nigerians especially do extremely well in this country. Very highly educated and speak English right off the bat. We should be taking more of them. I'm sure Haitians are hardworking. Didn't dispute that. But in general, mostly undereducated and impoverished nations wont be providing the most productive immigrants to an industrialized nation and service based economy. As long as you realize that. I would be surprised if our ass-hat President acknowledged that. Promoting Nordic people over here is much more pleasing to the white supremacists.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 12, 2018 1:00:16 GMT
That's a respectable point of view to have and I'm sure his press team will run with it as a strategy to rationalize it, but that's not what Trump said. None of the direct quotes from him corroborate that view nor do they indicate that that's the point he was trying to argue. Instead, they fall in line with his other recent statements in this same vein, such as that all Haitians have AIDS. Even if we choose to ignore the crass and disrespectful way he words his supposed arguments (which we shouldn't, because it's demoralizing to the office and only serves to further undermine whatever's left of this administration's respectability), there's really nothing here to suggest that that's the thought that went into his words in this case. Whether his words are mean and crass is really irrelevant to his policy making decisions, which have for the most part been more along the lines of what I stated. To me, the policy is what he truly feels -- I take it more seriously than side conversations which are often laced with more vulgarity, ambiguity, and complexity. I wasn't there to hear it myself. Again, I can understand and respect that view, but a statement like this The point he's making is that a country's immigration policy should be primarily designed to benefit its citizens, not the citizens of other countries is a direct defense of his words, not just his policy. We're not discussing just one or the other here. And while his crassness may seem irrelevant to his policy making, they certainly go hand in hand, given how his every move in office has been designed to appeal to his core supporters, who eat this senseless bombast up. And while this one may be a side conversation, it's also another ignorant, laughable remark in a long string of them. You may not take them seriously, but that doesn't mean his behavior doesn't have an impact in the country's political climate, or in how the US is perceived on the international stage.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 1:05:15 GMT
That wasn't the main point of my post, but: Minimum wage: Norway: $16 - $21 USA: $7.25 Paid Holiday: Norway: 21 USA: 11 Paid Maternity Leave: Norway: Y USA: N Universal Healthcare: Norway: Y USA: N WHO Ranking: Norway: 11 USA: 37 Free University: Norway: Y USA: N World Happiness Index: Norway: 1 USA: 14
Everything you hate, Trump. I thought you were smarter than this love. Everyone who knows anything about economics knows that the minimum wage and universal healthcare are bullshit. Also free university is a recipe for disaster. Yet they are the happiest country on earth and have a good economy. Anyway, the point wasn't to promote those policies here as much as it was to comment on Trump wondering why more Nordic people don't immigrate here while they are happier in a country with policies he would reject.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 1:11:29 GMT
Well, I'm glad you think you can speak for most Haitians, but I will say that the ones I know have pride in their culture and history and they wouldn't shit on their own country for its problems caused by France. They would have a little more respect than that. Just because they have pride in their culture and history doesn't mean they can't think the country is a shithole. I have pride in my Venezuelan culture and history but I recognize that the country is a shithole right now. You can call your country a shithole. You can call Haiti a shithole. I disagree with your view that most Haitians would call it that. Many Haitians would find that disrespectful to say about their own country is my point.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 12, 2018 1:53:32 GMT
I thought you were smarter than this love. Everyone who knows anything about economics knows that the minimum wage and universal healthcare are bullshit. Also free university is a recipe for disaster. Yet they are the happiest country on earth and have a good economy. Anyway, the point wasn't to promote those policies here as much as it was to comment on Trump wondering why more Nordic people don't immigrate here while they are happier in a country with policies he would reject. They could have the greatest economy in the world thanks to their natural resources but their economic policies will always keep them back. It's their resources that keep them afloat. Also I don't give any credence to the World Happiness Index.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 12, 2018 2:01:51 GMT
OT but that pic with the dogs...Jesus !
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 2:05:03 GMT
Yet they are the happiest country on earth and have a good economy. Anyway, the point wasn't to promote those policies here as much as it was to comment on Trump wondering why more Nordic people don't immigrate here while they are happier in a country with policies he would reject. They could have the greatest economy in the world thanks to their natural resources but their economic policies will always keep them back. It's their resources that keep them afloat. Also I don't give any credence to the World Happiness Index.
Fun fact: Ireland is right behind us at #15.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 12, 2018 2:07:17 GMT
They could have the greatest economy in the world thanks to their natural resources but their economic policies will always keep them back. It's their resources that keep them afloat. Also I don't give any credence to the World Happiness Index.
Fun fact: Ireland is right behind us at #15. Goes to show what bullshit that thing is. We're a jovial bunch.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 2:27:00 GMT
The UN actually takes that report seriously. They go in-depth with experts and everything. I'm going to read it out of curiosity. Fun fact: Ireland is right behind us at #15. Goes to show what bullshit that thing is. We're a jovial bunch. I thought you were only jovial on Saint Patrick's Day...
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 12, 2018 2:33:11 GMT
The UN actually takes that report seriously. They go in-depth with experts and everything. I'm going to read it out of curiosity. Goes to show what bullshit that thing is. We're a jovial bunch. I thought you were only jovial on Saint Patrick's Day... That's very racist, Carrie. How dare you. The UN is the probably the most useless organization in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 2:34:16 GMT
The UN actually takes that report seriously. Good reason not to take it seriously
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 12, 2018 2:42:04 GMT
The UN actually takes that report seriously. They go in-depth with experts and everything. I'm going to read it out of curiosity. I thought you were only jovial on Saint Patrick's Day... That's very racist, Carrie. How dare you. The UN is the probably the most useless organization in the world. I'm half-Irish, so can you give me a pass? I agree, but I'm still reading that report. I want to see how they measure happiness.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 12, 2018 2:45:32 GMT
That's very racist, Carrie. How dare you. The UN is the probably the most useless organization in the world. I'm half-Irish, so can you give me a pass? I agree, but I'm still reading that report. I want to see how they measure happiness. Another Plastic Paddy. Don't worry love, you don't need my approval.
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Post by quetee on Jan 12, 2018 3:10:12 GMT
Trump probably has gone several weeks without seeing a black person in person. So how does this affect him personally.
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Post by dazed on Jan 12, 2018 3:44:03 GMT
What makes him think anyone wants to leave Norway to live in a country that has him as president, though Yeah, I think people in Norway are quite content and happy about the way their country is ran. And rightfully so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 4:47:45 GMT
What makes him think anyone wants to leave Norway to live in a country that has him as president, though People will come to the US for its opportunities regardless, but 2020 just can't come fast enough.
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 12, 2018 4:54:56 GMT
What makes him think anyone wants to leave Norway to live in a country that has him as president, though People will come to the US for its opportunities regardless, but 2020 just can't come fast enough. Great to see I'm not the only one who can't wait to vote for Trump again.
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Post by cherry68 on Jan 12, 2018 5:59:55 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 12, 2018 19:08:44 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 12, 2018 19:11:29 GMT
^Wonder what he said instead of "shithole"..."hellhole" ? "dump" ?
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Post by quetee on Jan 12, 2018 19:24:43 GMT
lmao..whatever. people already digged up old tweets where he bashed Africa.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 12, 2018 19:54:01 GMT
lmao..whatever. people already digged up old tweets where he bashed Africa. Yeah , I remember him saying once that all Nigerians lived in huts or something like that
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 13, 2018 3:50:52 GMT
This is who you elected, America.
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Post by dazed on Jan 13, 2018 4:37:26 GMT
This is who you elected, America. What a fucking idiot. Also, during this week, he said he’s considering loosening up the libel laws in order to have repercussions for people that make ‘false statements’. Yet, majority of people who call others snowflakes and complain about the left wanting to take away free speech won’t bat an eye to this.
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 13, 2018 4:49:19 GMT
This is who you elected, America. I love Trump.
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