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Post by alexanderblanchett on Dec 27, 2017 1:35:20 GMT
Well I am not really into figure ice skating or anything that happens on the ice at all but I am always into good story and this is truly an interesting character to put on the silver screen. The film was good because it wasnt your typical straight forward biopic drama, no it was a fresh, foul mouthed comedy with some little thriller elements and of course some tragic turns as well. It was film to really give Margot Robbie the chance to put out all her acting weapons and boy did she deliver! This is so far the role of her life and she deserves every kudos she receives for it. I am sure this will not only end up with an Oscar nomination but also with one of the top candidates for the Best Actress Oscar. Excellent and brave performance. Funny, tragic, sad and always with a bad mouth. Allison Janney was just as good. Sure it already was a showy part to begin with but Janney even put something on top. You never knew if you should just straight up hate her or if there is something good in her. Very cynical, very sarcastic performance. Unlike everything Janney ever did on that level and one of the best performances of this year. She really owned every scene she was in (although some scenes were stolen by her bird). Sebastian Stan was okay but couldn't stand himself too well against those two powerhousse women. The soundtrack was excellent, the direction fine and I really liked the script.
Nominations for:
Best Actress in a Leading Role: Margot Robbie Best Actress in a Supporting Role: Allison Janney* Best Make Up Best Costume Design
Rating: 8/10
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Post by MoonShadow on Dec 27, 2017 9:57:59 GMT
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Post by jakesully on Dec 27, 2017 20:58:25 GMT
Just got out of it. Outstanding film & even better than I expected. Margot Robbie brought it strong (as did Janney ) Also was impressed with Stan as the controlling dipshit bf . I have no clue how the director filmed some of the skating scenes (movie magic!) . Highly recommend seeing this in theaters if you can
9/10
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Dec 28, 2017 0:31:04 GMT
Just got out of it. Outstanding film & even better than I expected. Margot Robbie brought it strong (as did Janney ) Also was impressed with Stan as the controlling dipshit bf . I have no clue how the director filmed some of the skating scenes (movie magic!) . Highly recommend seeing this in theaters if you can 9/10 I agree some of the skating scenes were magically done. I think great work by cinematographer and editor.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 28, 2017 3:37:43 GMT
Really loved this. While Robbie and Janney were both fantastic, Paul Walter Hause really deserves some recognition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 3:43:04 GMT
Really loved this. While Robbie and Janney were both fantastic, Paul Walter Hause really deserves some recognition. I thought Shawn was such an annoying idiot, but maybe that’s what they were going for and it worked. The movie itself is great. Janney definitely deserves her praise but Robbie carries the film on her back the whole time. She’s equal parts funny and heartbreaking, and honestly she’s my personal Best Actress win.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 28, 2017 3:45:47 GMT
Really loved this. While Robbie and Janney were both fantastic, Paul Walter Hause really deserves some recognition. I thought Shawn was such an annoying idiot, but maybe that’s what they were going for and it worked. The movie itself is great. Janney definitely deserves her praise but Robbie carries the film on her back the whole time. She’s equal parts funny and heartbreaking, and honestly she’s my personal Best Actress win. I think it's definitely what they were going for and he nailed it. Robbie is my win too, I hope she picks up traction with the industry awards.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 28, 2017 4:02:13 GMT
Movie was a bit of a mixed bag for me, especially in the first half. It was too freewheeling and sloppy for my taste, and contained waaaaay too many *wink-wink* moments for the audience that fell somewhere between cynical laziness and cynical condescension. I like that they didn't follow a formulaic biopic structure, but the interview format felt like a crutch; an easy way to interject snappy one-liners and character quirks that instead gives the movie a veneer of fakeness (I was reminded of those godawful "interviews" in Frost/Nixon). I didn't mind that so much by the third act, when the story became interesting, but goddamn did most of the humor feel so precious and self-congratulatory. Like her coach breaking the fourth wall THREE TIMES during Tonya's training montage ("she really did this, you guys!"). Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
I really liked Robbie and Janney, though neither of them trump Ronan or Metcalf for me. I'd give it around a 7.5, because although I'm not a fan of some of the directing choices, the screenplay and Robbie's performance really sucked me into Tonya Harding's fucked up, sad story. As someone who never researched the incident or really knew anything about the events or people involved, watching the whole mad shitstorm unfold was really enjoyable, and I think the movie ultimately succeeds at what it tries to do; be a moving and respectful tribute to a woman who was never given a fair shot.
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Dec 28, 2017 10:52:14 GMT
I was actually really pleasantly surprised by the film. Being born at the end of the 80s and from Germany I feel like Harding isn't someone you're necessarily familiar with. So I found the movie very interesting. It was very well done, even though I feel like one can clock the moments where there's CGI involved in the skating sequences.
The acting was also quite strong, yet not as strong as I expected. Robbie is a talented actress and I already found her exceptional in Wolf of Wall Street. As Tonya she is really very good. However I would've cast another actress for the scenes in which she was supposed to be 15. I just didn't buy her as a teenager and the pouting was a bit too obvious. I overall think that she reads slightly older than she is so, yeah, I would've cast someone else for those scenes. Overall though I really liked her performance. I don't nominate her, tho. Being a huge fan of Janney I am extremely happy about her getting all the love. Sadly her character is a bit cliche and she isn't able to convey emotions like for example Metcalf in Lady Bird.
What obviously is an Oscar vehicle for Robbie turned out to be quite an entertaining, exciting and interesting movie.
It's a solid 8 for me.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 28, 2017 11:40:54 GMT
Good movie. Obviously it's familiar biopic territory, but it's a watchable biopic. I don't know if this is Scorsese though, it's more like David O. Russell to me. that being a good thing or not... I'm reminded of Joy.
Though maybe it wasn't exactly how I'd portray it, because the film makes it seem like some fast times type of thing - and makes it look like the world of Spice Girls or something. And I don't think this story was ever interpreted that way. If you go back in time to 1994, it was more like a media infatuation, and people saw the Harding/Kerrigan tiff like paparazzi. It was right in middle of the age of paparazzi sure, but I'm just saying for argument's sake how I would've portrayed it would've been to make it like some media satire or something.
Robbie was funky, and fun. How accurate she was to Harding..... she totally wasn't not one little bit. Not that I care, but Harding was more like a media smartass who wanted people to see her as unlikeable, and she definitely had a media routine, some playful witty funny act she had going. just saying, Robbie wasn't really like Harding's personality at all.
I think Ronan was overall better. Robbie might be nomination worthy in an average year though. I think I'd put her about in the middle of all of the Best Actress nominees I've seen since 2013, with the best being Blanchett, Portman, Cotillard and Witherspoon.... she can't touch any of those. Janney.... I found her pretty forgettable, but whatever.
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Post by notacrook on Dec 28, 2017 19:23:20 GMT
Liked this a lot, more than I thought I would. Robbie was fantastic and is definitely one of my favourite BA contenders that I've seen (I slightly prefer Ronan and McDormand, but it's close). Janney was also really good despite having a kinda one-note character, and Stan was very solid. It sometimes felt a little slight and superficial, and could feel a little too reminiscent of Scorsese with some of the directorial choices, but on the whole it was an absolute blast to watch. Those skating scenes were phenomenal.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 29, 2017 13:44:16 GMT
Watched it twice already, such an entertaining movie!
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 29, 2017 22:31:13 GMT
I wonder what it would have been like if Bennett Miller had directed it. Certainly less of a wannabe-spawn of David O. Russell anyways...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 14:06:52 GMT
It's well-acted by Robbie, Janney, Nicholson, and Stan, but incredibly cheap-looking, and I found much of the humor surrounding child and domestic abuse to be tasteless.
Amy Adams really does look like young Tonya Harding (no shade, no tea)... Surprised she wasn't given a crack at this at some point in her career.
6/10, or B-/C+
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Post by JangoB on Jan 1, 2018 14:28:04 GMT
I wonder what it would have been like if Bennett Miller had directed it. Certainly less of a wannabe-spawn of David O. Russell anyways... Quoted for truth. And Miller is exactly who I thought about after watching this. I think his ultra-serious tone would work very interestingly with such a shiny type of sport.
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Post by lee on Jan 7, 2018 18:24:14 GMT
One of the best films I've seen this year
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Jan 13, 2018 20:52:35 GMT
Just saw this. The performances are fine, but the film does come off a bit sensationalist. Tonya is portrayed as an uneducated woman who can do nothing but skating and violence, and her husband as a brainless wife-beater. Both director and writer even mock them from time to time, especially in the case of Gilooly ("... and it got me thinking, which isn't always my strength,...") and his pal Shawn ("You're not a secret agent, you're just a fat nobody gas bag"). It seems like their intention was to make a biopic the most straightforward as possible, but the result is nothing more than a 'cheap flick'.
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Post by tobias on Jan 14, 2018 17:18:51 GMT
They didn't put the Stevens song in, did they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 23:33:50 GMT
Probably the funniest movie of the year imo
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jan 16, 2018 5:51:02 GMT
I liked the comedic take form this biopic film too. It's unlike a lot of sport based biopics, or biopics in general, where the genre would usually go for the drama. So it felt a bit fresh. The fourth wall/interview breaks were alright and were added well to the comedic nature of movie. Margot Robbie has one of the best performances in the movie as the fallen former Olympian herself. As did Janney, Stan, and others in their roles.
I didn't know much about the actual incident itself until around the light of this film's release.
8/10
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 16, 2018 21:32:35 GMT
Oh boy, this is going to get a slew of nominations. The Academy will love this movie to DEATH.
Margot Robbie is PHENOMENAL, she's my personal favorite Best Actress contender this year. Janney was a bit uhm. I mean, she's good and all, but is she really that juggernaut that she's made out to be? I think not.
The direction, the editing and the screenplay - although some tiny bits slightly put me off - really added something to the movie. It's a bit like David O. Russell-meets-Whiplash sort of style, but in a good way.
Really surprised that this didn't make the cut for SAG Ensemble, it's really up their alley. It was a serious satirical dramedy. It's a weird definition, I know, but I think it applies well to this movie.
8/10
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 18, 2018 19:17:01 GMT
This wanted to be Goodfellas, but it was way closer to American Hustle.
And Allison Janney in this movie, she is entirely one-dimensional. The fact she’s about to beat Laurie Metcalf is hilarious.
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Post by stephen on Jan 21, 2018 2:01:55 GMT
Adding my thoughts to the pile:
It feels very much like Craig Gillespie binge-watched Goodfellas, Casino and The Wolf of Wall Street every night while making this film. And there are times where the Scorsese flourishes are so blatant as to be almost Lufthansa Heist-level. But where David O. Russell crashed and burned when he tried to ape Marty, Gillespie manages to slalom skillfully along without too many bumps, aided by a strong (if somewhat overly tongue-in-cheek) script by Steven Rogers. The film feels very much like a rhinestone in a sea of diamonds, and I mean that as a compliment; it lends credence to the film’s message that beneath the glitter and glitz, there are bruises and broken limbs.
The cast is pretty solid across the board, and of course Allison Janney has the showiest of the supporting roles as Tonya’s loathsome mother. It’s the sort of acid-tongued, chain-smoking, dont-give-a-fuck dragon lady archetype that becomes the favored part for women of a certain age, and of course Janney rips into it with gusto. For the most part it works, but there are moments where I feel the film refuses to give LaVona any real pathos, and as a character she comes off a bit malformed in the final cut.
Of course, a film like this lives and dies by its lead, and Margot Robbie is more than up for bearing the burden. Her Tonya is at times tragic, at times contemptible, but never feels anything less than real. Neither she nor the film blunt Harding’s more unsavory aspects, nor do they make her overly sympathetic. The film’s mission statement is not to exonerate or to absolve, but rather to understand, and for the most part I think its message does come across.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 21, 2018 3:39:07 GMT
It's weird I haven't posted in this thread, since this is probably one of the movies from the past year I've connected the most. We just clicked. I, Tonya is the definition of a bad-ass movie, one that gives you thrills, shivers, laughs and heartbreak. It's energetic, unapologetically funny, dark and twisted, paced like a runaway train. The screenplay is both smart and hilarious, but taking itself seriously enough so the characters can have emotional resonance. Robbie and Janney are on fire, swinging from perfect comedic duo to heartbreaking mother-and-daughter abusive relationship. Stan is also so good. The soundtrack and editing are also two great elements.
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Post by stephen on Jan 21, 2018 3:41:12 GMT
The soundtrack and editing are also two great elements. I really liked the editing, but if the film has a major weak point for me, it's the soundtrack. While not quite as distracting as American Hustle using the first thirty seconds of each track from the "Now That's What I Call the '70s!" album, some of the song choices did take me out of the film a bit.
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