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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 17, 2022 10:58:28 GMT
Shouldn't the topic be "TV shows unpopular opinions"? I have always been reading this as a thread about unpopular TV shows. No, that would be really awkward in English. It would be understandable, but not natural. English is weird, but "unpopular TV show opinions" is the most natural way of talking about this. As for one of my opinions: Anime shows are frequently more mature and intelligent than anything that comes out of American television.
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 17, 2022 15:27:53 GMT
Shouldn't the topic be "TV shows unpopular opinions"? I have always been reading this as a thread about unpopular TV shows. No, that would be really awkward in English. It would be understandable, but not natural. English is weird, but "unpopular TV show opinions" is the most natural way of talking about this. As for one of my opinions: Anime shows are frequently more mature and intelligent than anything that comes out of American television. Opinioni impopolari sugli spettacoli televisivi. Unpopular opinions on TV shows. My opinion : The interactions between Dona Francisca and Mauricio are the best of El Secreto de Puente Viejo. I have no idea of which are the popular opinions on TV shows in the US btw. Actually idk what American TV shows you.
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Post by ibbi on Aug 17, 2022 15:59:53 GMT
Breaking Bad fell off a cliff so fucking hard after End Times. This show that spent one episode shy of its first 4 seasons finding its magic in the small moments and details too often overlooked in other shows... Kind of like the henchman gag in Austin Powers turned into a TV show... Suddenly turned into a fucking cartoon. It's like they drowned in their rising popularity, and that first half of season 5 was more of the same, and its absolute nadir. I do think it improved some in the home stretch, but given I can't bring myself to rewatch it I don't know if it really did, or if it's just in comparison to what it had turned into prior. Ozymandias is still a comical heap of flaming garbage, and while its finale is a fine wrapping up, put me in the camp who found the whole thing far too safe and maudlin an effort to be remotely emblematic of the show it stood as conclusion to. Thankfully, those dudes redeemed themselves. Big time. A lot of Better Call Saul felt like a show created by men ashamed of what they turned Breaking Bad into, and doing penance by sitting in a dark room and starving themselves.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 17, 2022 16:32:20 GMT
As for one of my opinions: Anime shows are frequently more mature and intelligent than anything that comes out of American television. I have no idea of which are the popular opinions on TV shows in the US btw. Actually idk what American TV shows you. "Unpopular opinions on TV shows" works as well. Well, it seems that the most popular "prestige" dramas are things like Breaking Bad (a solid, if tonally inconsistent crime rise-and-fall story), The Sopranos (unseen by me, but it appears to be a long-running crime saga), or The Wire (a long crime drama about the drug trade in Baltimore that didn't keep me engaged for long). They seem to be very "gritty" and "dark" (at the expense of engaging themes or characters, in my opinion) and that appears to be the appeal of the prestige television to most people. Every time I try to watch something that is generally well-received, I find myself struck by how childish the narratives appear, with lots of sex and violence to keep viewers hooked instead of engaging character arcs. (Even Breaking Bad - which I did enjoy for the most part - is very standard and dull in its grand narrative. The show is fun in shorter arcs or single episodes, but as a whole it is a misshapen, overlong mess.) The anime Cowboy Bebop succeeds at creating a more mature show than any American production, in my opinion. Although individual episodes range from a miniature martial arts movie to a parody of Alien, the themes of the work are obliquely worked into the overarching narrative without any overt moments of showing what a character is thinking or spelling out their past. This restraint fits the show quite well, as it is about four people who never open up or speak about anything personal with the people they know best. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the most "mature" show I can think of. Many, MANY episodes are spent on characters discussing the history of mankind, and what history has to teach them about the war they are fighting. It is the only work I can think of in which characters debate the merits of democracy vs. autocracy at length, going to great lengths to show the good and evil inherent in both systems. Even the action sequences are primarily made up of soldiers standing around on their spaceships and talking about the next move to make, in between very short (seconds long) bursts of violence. Nothing is done to jazz up the narrative, and although individual episodes or even seasons may have problems, the show as a whole is practically perfect because it so deeply thought out. Even shows like Madoka Magica (a classical tragedy dealing with religion and sin), Princess Tutu (which deals with the heady themes of predestination and free will), and Paranoia Agent (which is about a society self-medicating on fiction to distract from taking responsibility for their lives) are more intelligent and thought-provoking than anything that the most popular American shows have ever dreamed of. Japan even turned out the best adaptation of Anne of Green Gables (I argue that it is even greater than the book!), which I hold as far more intelligent in its handling of character development than any gritty American work. (There is one American show that I have recently found and adored: Arcane, which deals with terrorism and class warfare, and how this affects lives on a smaller scale. Of course, it is also an animated work made for an adult audience and bears a lot of similarity to the anime pieces I described above. It is a fantasy narrative with action sequences, and that describes every anime I just mentioned with the exception of Green Gables. So perhaps I just find narratives using a fantasy veneer to be more towards my taste than the favored method of crime sagas in American TV.)
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Aug 17, 2022 16:45:31 GMT
Breaking Bad fell off a cliff so fucking hard after End Times. This show that spent one episode shy of its first 4 seasons finding its magic in the small moments and details too often overlooked in other shows... Kind of like the henchman gag in Austin Powers turned into a TV show... Suddenly turned into a fucking cartoon. It's like they drowned in their rising popularity, and that first half of season 5 was more of the same, and its absolute nadir. I do think it improved some in the home stretch, but given I can't bring myself to rewatch it I don't know if it really did, or if it's just in comparison to what it had turned into prior. Ozymandias is still a comical heap of flaming garbage, and while its finale is a fine wrapping up, put me in the camp who found the whole thing far too safe and maudlin an effort to be remotely emblematic of the show it stood as conclusion to. Thankfully, those dudes redeemed themselves. Big time. A lot of Better Call Saul felt like a show created by men ashamed of what they turned Breaking Bad into, and doing penance by sitting in a dark room and starving themselves. Could you give a more detailed reasoning for the Ozymandias hate?
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Post by ibbi on Aug 17, 2022 17:18:56 GMT
Breaking Bad fell off a cliff so fucking hard after End Times. This show that spent one episode shy of its first 4 seasons finding its magic in the small moments and details too often overlooked in other shows... Kind of like the henchman gag in Austin Powers turned into a TV show... Suddenly turned into a fucking cartoon. It's like they drowned in their rising popularity, and that first half of season 5 was more of the same, and its absolute nadir. I do think it improved some in the home stretch, but given I can't bring myself to rewatch it I don't know if it really did, or if it's just in comparison to what it had turned into prior. Ozymandias is still a comical heap of flaming garbage, and while its finale is a fine wrapping up, put me in the camp who found the whole thing far too safe and maudlin an effort to be remotely emblematic of the show it stood as conclusion to. Thankfully, those dudes redeemed themselves. Big time. A lot of Better Call Saul felt like a show created by men ashamed of what they turned Breaking Bad into, and doing penance by sitting in a dark room and starving themselves. Could you give a more detailed reasoning for the Ozymandias hate? Not really in detail, no Again, I've not watched it since it aired. I do remember thinking the bit where, after 5 seasons of Jr. hating his mother and thinking his dad is a hero, that they just suddenly flipped him with absolutely nowhere near enough work put into it. Especially considering the precipitating moment sees her grab a fucking knife and attack the guy. Like I said, all the psychology out the window, and the entire thing turned into a cartoon.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 17, 2022 18:28:57 GMT
Breaking Bad fell off a cliff so fucking hard after End Times. This show that spent one episode shy of its first 4 seasons finding its magic in the small moments and details too often overlooked in other shows... Kind of like the henchman gag in Austin Powers turned into a TV show... Suddenly turned into a fucking cartoon. It's like they drowned in their rising popularity, and that first half of season 5 was more of the same, and its absolute nadir. I do think it improved some in the home stretch, but given I can't bring myself to rewatch it I don't know if it really did, or if it's just in comparison to what it had turned into prior. Ozymandias is still a comical heap of flaming garbage, and while its finale is a fine wrapping up, put me in the camp who found the whole thing far too safe and maudlin an effort to be remotely emblematic of the show it stood as conclusion to. Thankfully, those dudes redeemed themselves. Big time. A lot of Better Call Saul felt like a show created by men ashamed of what they turned Breaking Bad into, and doing penance by sitting in a dark room and starving themselves. Could you give a more detailed reasoning for the Ozymandias hate? I couldn't disagree with this take anymore. I mean, this is a thread about "unpopular" opinions but Ozymandias is widely regarded as one of the best TV episodes of all-time.
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Post by stephen on Aug 17, 2022 18:31:10 GMT
Could you give a more detailed reasoning for the Ozymandias hate? Not really in detail, no Again, I've not watched it since it aired. I do remember thinking the bit where, after 5 seasons of Jr. hating his mother and thinking his dad is a hero, that they just suddenly flipped him with absolutely nowhere near enough work put into it. Especially considering the precipitating moment sees her grab a fucking knife and attack the guy. Like I said, all the psychology out the window, and the entire thing turned into a cartoon. I mean, one of the precipitating factors of that scene was Walt, Jr.'s idol and hero, his uncle Hank, was murdered and Walt was seemingly responsible. With how galvanized everyone's emotions were, I don't think it was that out of character, especially considering how compressed the timeline is in general for the series (two years from start to finish).
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Post by ibbi on Aug 17, 2022 18:42:42 GMT
Not really in detail, no Again, I've not watched it since it aired. I do remember thinking the bit where, after 5 seasons of Jr. hating his mother and thinking his dad is a hero, that they just suddenly flipped him with absolutely nowhere near enough work put into it. Especially considering the precipitating moment sees her grab a fucking knife and attack the guy. Like I said, all the psychology out the window, and the entire thing turned into a cartoon. I mean, one of the precipitating factors of that scene was Walt, Jr.'s idol and hero, his uncle Hank, was murdered and Walt was seemingly responsible. With how galvanized everyone's emotions were, I don't think it was that out of character, especially considering how compressed the timeline is in general for the series (two years from start to finish). Seemingly responsible as in he didn't even know for sure, right? Is that world shaking event not something you'd want to get clarification on too? As I recall, the facts were barely even touched on. Seems like something a family would take 30 seconds to be specific about instead of creating phony drama by just breezing through it. What a total dumbass movie trope.
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Post by stephen on Aug 17, 2022 18:49:59 GMT
I mean, one of the precipitating factors of that scene was Walt, Jr.'s idol and hero, his uncle Hank, was murdered and Walt was seemingly responsible. With how galvanized everyone's emotions were, I don't think it was that out of character, especially considering how compressed the timeline is in general for the series (two years from start to finish). Seemingly responsible as in he didn't even know for sure, right? Is that world shaking event not something you'd want to get clarification on too? As I recall, the facts were barely even touched on. Seems like something a family would take 30 seconds to be specific about instead of creating phony drama by just breezing through it. What a total dumbass movie trope. Eh, considering the scene is a grand total of three minutes long and there's so many emotions running through Walt, Jr.'s head (my dad's a meth kingpin, my mom was in on it, my dad got arrested, my dad's suddenly home wanting us to take off for God knows where, my mom's attacking my dad, MY UNCLE HANK IS DEAD?!?!, my dad's attacking my mom now), I don't think it's out of character for Walt, Jr.'s natural instincts to protect his mother to kick in, especially as his father is acting extremely out of character from what he's seen. It's just the moment where Walt, Jr. finally comes to a stark realization on who his father is. It may not have worked for you, but this isn't exactly a "calm down and let's hash this out" moment that would smooth out 95% of all rom-com misunderstandings. Emotions were on high-octane and Walt, Jr. had absolutely zero power in that scene to be able to demand any sort of explanation. That's kind of the point. For all Walt's bluster about how much he loves his family, he couldn't give a shit about what any of them say in the moment to derail him from what he believes is the correct course of action. And now he's seeing that firsthand.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Aug 17, 2022 18:52:19 GMT
I mean, one of the precipitating factors of that scene was Walt, Jr.'s idol and hero, his uncle Hank, was murdered and Walt was seemingly responsible. With how galvanized everyone's emotions were, I don't think it was that out of character, especially considering how compressed the timeline is in general for the series (two years from start to finish). Seemingly responsible as in he didn't even know for sure, right? Is that world shaking event not something you'd want to get clarification on too? As I recall, the facts were barely even touched on. Seems like something a family would take 30 seconds to be specific about instead of creating phony drama by just breezing through it. What a total dumbass movie trope. They knew he was responsible or involved. It wasn't phony drama.
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Post by ibbi on Aug 17, 2022 19:23:18 GMT
Seemingly responsible as in he didn't even know for sure, right? Is that world shaking event not something you'd want to get clarification on too? As I recall, the facts were barely even touched on. Seems like something a family would take 30 seconds to be specific about instead of creating phony drama by just breezing through it. What a total dumbass movie trope. They knew he was responsible or involved. It wasn't phony drama.
Well, clearly we are looking at two different things here, because that is every bit as stupid as I remember This guy makes absolutely no effort to offer anything resembling an explanation to get these people he's so worried about to move their asses? Skyler, who has been aware of this danger they live in for plenty of time, is entirely nonplussed about the whole thing and unwaveringly focused on Hank? Didn't she straight up tell Walt to KILL Jesse just a couple of episodes before? Now the fact her kids are in danger is secondary to the fact that she's just convinced herself that Walt killed Hank? It's a COMPLETELY phony drama precipitated by his refusal to offer up any kind of answer to any question they ask? And the kid telling the cops (completely icy cool) that his dad ATTACKED his mom? He disarmed and restrained her after she literally slashed at him with a knife, yet he more readily believes his dad murdered his uncle??! These are not the same people who have existed for five seasons of TV. Certainly Junior and Skyler are not (she never was particularly consistently written, which is why she's such a shit character in general). It's like the scene was penned by someone who never watched the show. Why did she have to attack him with a knife? Could Walt not have grabbed her and thrown her out of the way when she blocks his path to their son? And why does he just take the baby and wordlessly run away? No "I'm going to save her even if I can't save you", no communication of any kind. It's just dumb writing from top to bottom complete with Woman Running After Car Screaming to complete the farce. Look, everyone else gets on Rian Johnson for Last Jedi, I can have Ozymandias. Leave me alone.
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Post by SZilla on Aug 17, 2022 20:10:05 GMT
Karen >>>>>>>> Pam
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Post by stephen on Aug 17, 2022 20:35:08 GMT
This shouldn't be unpopular. Pam sucks.
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Post by dazed on Aug 18, 2022 0:31:02 GMT
karen saying "call of duty" with two 🤘's is sicker than anything pam ever did or said
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 18, 2022 0:56:12 GMT
Skyler should've attacked Walt with a knife in Season 2
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Post by FallenWarrior on Aug 30, 2022 14:28:26 GMT
Little Britain is really fucking annoying.
While Britain does do comedy much better than US telly, I still think a good chunk of South Park is funnier than 95% of British comedies.
Monty Python, the TV show anyway, is mostly miss and a good chunk of the sketches are the equivalent of that one lad who just says odd non sequiturs for a laugh. Kinda like The Mighty Boosh even though I like that more.
The second half of The Sandman wasn't as captivating as the first and while I don't mind John Constantine being gender swapped, I do have a bit of a problem with her being a cockney. I understand that the North West/Lancaster accent can be difficult for US viewers it still would have been neat.
Breaking Bad is really good but I don't find it all that memorable. Good memes tho
Last season of Samurai Jack felt too rushed.
Boardwalk Empire is underrated.
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Post by flasuss on Sept 3, 2022 17:00:31 GMT
Boardwalk Empire is underrated. It is, but there's reasons for that:
Season 1, specially the start, was overrated because Scorsese directed the pilot and it had Terrence Winter, so critics and award bodies were falling all over it even though it didn't deserve, so when audiences were underwhelmed, it lost some of it's luster, even though seasons 2-4 were easily better.
And then Season 5 was rushed and at times very messy (though mostly works), including killing the best actor off-screen (Stuhlbarg) because Winter and Scorsese wanted to move to the old man indulging in 1970's nostalgia vanity project that was Vinyl, which ended up being rightfully cancelled because it was complete garbage, easily the worst thing Scorsese ever worked on.
But I agree it was a great show, even with some problems making sure it doesn't reach top-tier level of say, The Wire or Deadwood.
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Post by SZilla on Sept 3, 2022 18:43:01 GMT
SNL (like most sketch comedy) is always hit and miss, but I think a key reason why they miss more often nowadays is that SNL used to "dangerous" with the "Not Ready for Primetime Players" and it's anti-establishment attitude but after almost 50 years in existence, SNL IS the establishment. And while it'll still have some good comedy here and there (Bowen Yang is usually very funny) the show has completely lost its edge and just feels more like a corporate entity.
Rob Schneider has been in the news lately for saying that the Kate McKinnon-Hilary Clinton "Hallelujah" performance was "the end of SNL" and he's getting roasted a bit for it. I don't necessarily agree, as I think SNL's charms ended long before that, but I do think that that moment in particular is some of the most sanctimonious crap a comedy show has ever pulled and before anyone assumes, I'm definitely not a Trump guy.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Sept 3, 2022 19:09:26 GMT
Boardwalk Empire is underrated. It is, but there's reasons for that:
Season 1, specially the start, was overrated because Scorsese directed the pilot and it had Terrence Winter, so critics and award bodies were falling all over it even though it didn't deserve, so when audiences were underwhelmed, it lost some of it's luster, even though seasons 2-4 were easily better.
And then Season 5 was rushed and at times very messy (though mostly works), including killing the best actor off-screen (Stuhlbarg) because Winter and Scorsese wanted to move to the old man indulging in 1970's nostalgia vanity project that was Vinyl, which ended up being rightfully cancelled because it was complete garbage, easily the worst thing Scorsese ever worked on.
But I agree it was a great show, even with some problems making sure it doesn't reach top-tier level of say, The Wire or Deadwood.
I think the problem with Boardwalk Empire, a show I still like but one I thought I liked much more when it was on than now, is that there really isn't anything under the surface, unlike other HBO projects of its era which all had a very Great American Drama energy about the way they approached their subject matter in relation to grander themes. It's nice to get lost in the world, probably still some of the best production values of any HBO series, with a fine ensemble, but it's not hard to see why it ended so poorly because the show never really had anything to say about Prohibition, the beginning of organised crime, etc, as so many of the characters circle back into the narrative depending on which season it is - Nucky, Chalky, Margaret, Gillian. Season 2 and 4 are definitely the most focused, although Bobby Cannavale carries the 3rd pretty impressively.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Sept 7, 2022 17:25:37 GMT
Frank's Brother is a top 10 episode of It's Always Sunny.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Nov 8, 2022 23:07:23 GMT
Dexter > Breaking Bad
Homeland > The Americans
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Post by forksforest on Jan 10, 2023 2:57:12 GMT
I don't know how unpopular this take is but Selena Gomez can't act for shit and Only Murders in the Building succeeds in spite of her presence in it, not because of it. Omg thank you. I was like, am I crazy here when reading the OMIB board because I don't know what the fuck people see in Gomez but it sure as fuck isn't her talent. It really is succeeding in spite of her, because I can't imagine how much more fun it would be with someone who had an ounce of expression, charisma, command, chemistry etc in comparison to the lifeless performance we get from this girl.
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Post by forksforest on Jan 10, 2023 3:00:40 GMT
My most controversial opinion is probably that I liked HIMYM's finale. I hated that final season but the ending made sense and was in line with the characterizations up until that point.
I don't know how I feel about Twin Peaks, I waver between this shit makes no sense and wow, what a work of art. But it's mostly the former, so I'll say TP is insanely overhyped and didn't need to come back.
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Post by Barbie on Jan 10, 2023 18:05:55 GMT
- Sarah Jessica Parker as Carrie Bradshaw gave one of the best performances I’ve ever seen on a tv show. I watched the show 3 times and at first I thought she was alright and was outdone by her colleagues like Kim Cattral and Cynthia Nixon. But on my third watch, it hit me that she’s the best. People say Kim Cattral is better bc Samantha is a fan favorite. Cattral did a great job, but SJP is better. She’s the best of an already strong ensemble.
While we’re at it, SJP is a great actor. I know she’s won Emmys, but the general public needs to understand she did deserve the Emmys. She’s very good at small moments, micro acting. It’s very natural, and I think that’s the mark of a truly well rounded actor. A lot of actors can do big dramatic moments but doing the small moments brings an authentic feel to a performance. She can do that.
- Successsion isn’t that good even though I like the show. If it wasn’t for Brian Cox and Jeremy Strong, the show would be bad. I can’t stand how Kieran Culkin plays Roman. I hate Arian Moayed’s performance. Half the dialogue on the show is just bad.
- Better Call Saul isn’t as good as Breaking Bad and it’s laughable when people say it’s better than BB. I’m waiting for season 6 to come on Netflix, but the 5 seasons I watched of BCS, it’s not better than BB
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