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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 17, 2017 21:42:04 GMT
Meryl, honey, I love you, but are we really meant to believe that everyone in Hollywood knew about this but you, who's been around since the 70s? That doesn't make the protest any less valid. Streep and others are riding a wave of momentum to talk about something that affects every woman in the film industry, and now is the best time to mobilize people to address it because it's in the public eye right now. You have to take advantage of that. Such a bullshit excuse and no it doesn't happen to every woman in Hollywood you imbecile.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2017 0:04:29 GMT
I hate to say it but she's right. If this hadn't come to light, some of these actresses would have continued to work with Weinstein and remained silent. It's little more than PR and jumping on a bandwagon and it's really kind of sickening that the ones with more clout are now trying to be seen to be leading the bandwagon. In media terms actresses like McGowan and Judd and others who had the courage to speak out could easily be swept aside for Streep, Lawrence, Kidman, etc... You have to wonder if they'll be wearing these black dresses? Hey, so would she. She took his money and stayed silent for years while she had a career to worry about. Now she calls out others for doing the exact same crap she's done. She defended Vic Salva ("he’s an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker"), she worked with Harvey Weinstein (she was in BOTH the movies in Grindhouse) she paints herself as this great crusader yet has little to no sensitivity whatsoever when it comes to race, or gender, she's just like all of these people she's trying to clamber onto the shoulders of for attention, another Hollywood opportunist working an angle to her advantage (the moment she started plugging her book on twitter was outstanding stuff). Back in October when all this started and she had that couple of days when she repeatedly replied to celebs tweeting out their thoughts on the situation demanding they used her specific verbiage to denounce what was happening or nothing they said meant anything reminded me of when Donny 45 demand people use the term "radical islamic terror", as that was the really important thing. She's just awful. Let's not compare this clown to people like Ashley Judd, Mira Sorvino, Asia Argento, Salma Hayek (who genuinely had this man ruin their careers in addition to what he subjected them to) or even a legit speaker of truths like Courtney Love. Now there's a hero. Church! I hope one of these journalists or celebrities who she fights with on Twitter brings up Victor Salva to her. Though of course, she'll conveniently ignore that one.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 8:23:00 GMT
That doesn't make the protest any less valid. Streep and others are riding a wave of momentum to talk about something that affects every woman in the film industry, and now is the best time to mobilize people to address it because it's in the public eye right now. You have to take advantage of that. Such a bullshit excuse and no it doesn't happen to every woman in Hollywood you imbecile. "Most of the women" then ! Happy ?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 8:34:19 GMT
Amber Tamblyn to Rose McGowan: It’s ‘Beneath’ You to Shame Women Who Try to ‘Create Change’
McGowan criticized Meryl Streep and other actresses who worked on Harvey Weinstein films that planned to wear black dresses at the Golden Globes as an act of protest
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 18, 2017 13:36:58 GMT
Such a bullshit excuse and no it doesn't happen to every woman in Hollywood you imbecile. "Most of the women" then ! Happy ? How do you know it happens to most women in Hollywood?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 13:49:22 GMT
"Most of the women" then ! Happy ? How do you know it happens to most women in Hollywood? How do you know it doesn't ?
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2017 13:58:30 GMT
Amber Tamblyn to Rose McGowan: It’s ‘Beneath’ You to Shame Women Who Try to ‘Create Change’McGowan criticized Meryl Streep and other actresses who worked on Harvey Weinstein films that planned to wear black dresses at the Golden Globes as an act of protest There's bickering among the #metoo women. smh. I don't care that much about the comments on the wearing black protest, but Rose does need to be checked by one of them because she isn't doing the movement any favors, if you ask me. Rose's attitude in general on her Twitter timeline has been irrational and if anything counterproductive for the movement, which should be about bringing people together to share their experiences, not to beat people with a stick the second they don't pass your personal perfect statement test.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 18, 2017 14:00:27 GMT
How do you know it happens to most women in Hollywood? How do you know it doesn't ? To make a claim like that you need evidence. How many women work in Hollywood or just the entertainment industry? You're saying most of them (ie more than half) get harassed. That's like saying I have to prove that God doesn't exist and not the other way around. Also stop stalking me.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 18, 2017 14:03:40 GMT
There's bickering among the #metoo women. smh. I don't care that much about the comments on the wearing black protest, but Rose does need to be checked by one of them because she isn't doing the movement any favors, if you ask me. Rose's attitude in general on her Twitter timeline has been irrational and if anything counterproductive for the movement, which should be about bringing people together to share their experiences, not to beat people with a stick the second they don't pass your personal perfect statement test. Meryl Streep is full of shit. She's the most inside woman in Hollywood and you're telling me she knew nothing of what that scumbag Weinstein was doing. She also gave that child rapist a standing ovation. You're smart enough to know this is all for show. McGowan may be a bit unstable but she's not wrong about them.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 18, 2017 14:10:24 GMT
There's bickering among the #metoo women. smh. I don't care that much about the comments on the wearing black protest, but Rose does need to be checked by one of them because she isn't doing the movement any favors, if you ask me. Rose's attitude in general on her Twitter timeline has been irrational and if anything counterproductive for the movement, which should be about bringing people together to share their experiences, not to beat people with a stick the second they don't pass your personal perfect statement test. Meryl Streep is full of shit. She's the most inside woman in Hollywood and you're telling me she knew nothing of what that scumbag Weinstein was doing. She also gave that child rapist a standing ovation. You're smart enough to know this is all for show. McGowan may be a bit unstable but she's not wrong about them. Whoa, slow down. You misunderstand me. I do think Meryl Streep is full of shit. I said from the start of this scandal that these celebrities claiming to have known nothing about Weinstein are full of shit. I just said above that "I don't care that much about Rose's comments on the wearing black protest." I'm only arguing that it is her unstable attitude in general on Twitter lately that is not doing the movement any favors. I mean, she attacked someone who put out a statement for not including her name in it.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 14:28:41 GMT
How do you know it doesn't ? To make a claim like that you need evidence. How many women work in Hollywood or just the entertainment industry? You're saying most of them (ie more than half) get harassed. That's like saying I have to prove that God doesn't exist and not the other way around. Also stop stalking me.
More than the half ? Who knows? But A LOT ? Hell yes ! Hollywood isn't just about actresses , you know. There are female writers , assistants , producers ,etc. and these women are still afraid to come forward because they still fear that naming names will bring about career repercussions and potential legal action. That's just the way it is. Deal with it. Oh you wish , bitch .
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 14:37:20 GMT
Amber Tamblyn to Rose McGowan: It’s ‘Beneath’ You to Shame Women Who Try to ‘Create Change’McGowan criticized Meryl Streep and other actresses who worked on Harvey Weinstein films that planned to wear black dresses at the Golden Globes as an act of protest There's bickering among the #metoo women. smh. I don't care that much about the comments on the wearing black protest, but Rose does need to be checked by one of them because she isn't doing the movement any favors, if you ask me. Rose's attitude in general on her Twitter timeline has been irrational and if anything counterproductive for the movement, which should be about bringing people together to share their experiences, not to beat people with a stick the second they don't pass your personal perfect statement test.I agree and that was also Amber Tamblyn's point. And also : Rose McGowan needs to calm the F* down. She's making an @ss out of herself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:28:09 GMT
Grateful to all the people on this thread who feel that some blame can be spread to actresses who thanked Weisntein at awards shows/posed for pictures with him. Such a practical illumination of how the disgusting behaviors of one powerful man can so quickly be redirected at women. Just because, you know.
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 2:08:42 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 19, 2017 8:16:08 GMT
Is it so hard to believe for some peole that not every actor/actress knew about Weinstein's predatory behaviour ? I mean sure , a lot of people knew and were covering up for him but I also believe that there were people who absolutely didn't know anything . So no need to put everyone in the same basket. As for Streep not knowing anything...I'm a little bit dubious but I truly hope that she's not lying.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 19, 2017 14:23:52 GMT
For crying out loud, Streep really needs to sack her P.R. Does she really think the world doesn't know what the role of an executive producer involves? HW (the man she herself called 'God') exec produced August: Osage County and Music of the Heart and famously helped her win her third Oscar. Yet she claims she's only ever had minimal contact in the almost twenty years she's known this notoriously controlling person. Give me a f***** break!
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 19, 2017 14:48:58 GMT
For crying out loud, Streep really needs to sack her P.R. Does she really think the world doesn't know what the role of an executive producer involves? HW (the man she herself called 'God') exec produced August: Osage County and Music of the Heart and famously helped her win her third Oscar. Yet she claims she's only ever had minimal contact in the almost twenty years she's known this notoriously controlling person. Give me a f***** break! So you're saying that she knew that Swinestein sexually assaulated / raped women ?
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 19, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
I'm saying that my guess is that she knows more than what she's letting on.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 19, 2017 16:11:25 GMT
I'm saying that my guess is that she knows more than what she's letting on. Fair enough.
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Post by forksforest on Dec 19, 2017 16:53:07 GMT
There's bickering among the #metoo women. smh. Yeah, it's pretty sad that women can never really be united on fundamental issues like this. I guess it's not surprising, I'm always haunted by the '52% of white women voted for Trump' stat.
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 17:15:24 GMT
Is it so hard to believe for some peole that not every actor/actress knew about Weinstein's predatory behaviour ? I mean sure , a lot of people knew and were covering up for him but I also believe that there were people who absolutely didn't know anything . So no need to put everyone in the same basket. As for Streep not knowing anything...I'm a little bit dubious but I truly hope that she's not lying. It's extremely dubious that she didn't at least hear rumors, because people like us have known for years about Weinstein's reputation, and she is one of the paragons of the industry. I don't think Streep would willingly let shit like this go on if she knew for a fact it was happening, but I think to say that she had no idea about how Weinstein lorded his dominance over countless women in the industry makes her seem like she exists in a bubble of willful ignorance. It's one thing to say she heard the rumors and discounted them as gossip, especially if she said that her personal interactions with him were professional and pleasant. That illustrates how Weinstein was able to stick around for as long as he was even among people who had been in the industry longer and had more profile than he, such as Streep. But the way Streep keeps saying not everyone knew feels like backpedaling to deflect any sort of blame that might come her way.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 19, 2017 18:09:19 GMT
Is it so hard to believe for some peole that not every actor/actress knew about Weinstein's predatory behaviour ? I mean sure , a lot of people knew and were covering up for him but I also believe that there were people who absolutely didn't know anything . So no need to put everyone in the same basket. As for Streep not knowing anything...I'm a little bit dubious but I truly hope that she's not lying. It's extremely dubious that she didn't at least hear rumors, because people like us have known for years about Weinstein's reputation, and she is one of the paragons of the industry. I don't think Streep would willingly let shit like this go on if she knew for a fact it was happening, but I think to say that she had no idea about how Weinstein lorded his dominance over countless women in the industry makes her seem like she exists in a bubble of willful ignorance. It's one thing to say she heard the rumors and discounted them as gossip, especially if she said that her personal interactions with him were professional and pleasant. That illustrates how Weinstein was able to stick around for as long as he was even among people who had been in the industry longer and had more profile than he, such as Streep. But the way Streep keeps saying not everyone knew feels like backpedaling to deflect any sort of blame that might come her way. Oh I know that's why I said in a previous post that I was a little bit dubious about Streep "not knowing anything" . She must have heard rumors about him at some point but like you've already pointed out, rumors are what they are : claims you can't personally verify so why automatically believe them ? Besides , she doesn't strike me as a person who would willfully and knowingly try to protect a sex offender. Just my two cents of course.
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 18:14:14 GMT
It's extremely dubious that she didn't at least hear rumors, because people like us have known for years about Weinstein's reputation, and she is one of the paragons of the industry. I don't think Streep would willingly let shit like this go on if she knew for a fact it was happening, but I think to say that she had no idea about how Weinstein lorded his dominance over countless women in the industry makes her seem like she exists in a bubble of willful ignorance. It's one thing to say she heard the rumors and discounted them as gossip, especially if she said that her personal interactions with him were professional and pleasant. That illustrates how Weinstein was able to stick around for as long as he was even among people who had been in the industry longer and had more profile than he, such as Streep. But the way Streep keeps saying not everyone knew feels like backpedaling to deflect any sort of blame that might come her way. Oh I know that's why I said in a previous post that I was a little bit dubious about Streep "not knowing anything" . She must have heard rumors about him at some point but like you've already pointed out, rumors are what they are : claims you can't personally verify so why automatically believe them ? Besides , she doesn't strike me as a person who would willfully and knowingly try to protect a sex offender. Just my two cents of course. Exactly. It's understandable if she heard the rumors but dismissed them as tabloid fodder and stereotypes about bigwig producers, if all of her interactions with him didn't reflect that image. It doesn't make it right, but I can understand that. What leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the whole "not all of us knew" thing, because it comes off incredibly defensive and damage control mode-y, especially as I find it hard to believe she didn't hear at least someone make a reference to it in all her years in the business.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 19, 2017 19:27:59 GMT
What I believe is that it was very easy for most people to just dismiss Weinstein as that typical Hollywood producer using the casting couch on actresses. They had to have heard rumors about him, but maybe they didn't all know about the rape. That I can buy. I have a hard time believing they never heard a rumor about him.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 19, 2017 20:31:46 GMT
I find it really hard to believe she didn't see anything, I don't mean rape, I mean groping or something similar, on set or at one of the many parties they both attended.
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