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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 3:53:48 GMT
If Spielberg had been mentioned in blinds over the years, I'd sure as well be interested in seeing the receipts. Only blind about Spielberg I knew about before last month was the one about him and Kate Capshaw sending Amy Irving pictures to precipitate a divorce (though I don't think that one was ever revealed, not sure). The David Geffen friendship is certainly something worth scrutinizing, though I am not entirely on board with the idea of implicit guilt by association. Geffen is certainly a shady character and has a lot of rumors about him that make it easy for me to buy he's very likely a sexual abuser, but that doesn't mean Spielberg knows or enables that. Plenty of comedians were friends with Louis C.K. and genuinely had no idea about the allegations, yet us random folk on the internet can read about it. Perhaps you may have a semi-decent point right there since I don't remember reading that much about Spielberg rumors on IMDb, which isn't like Weinstein, Spacey, CK, or Singer, all of whom had rumors floating on more "legit" sites like IMDb way before stories broke (at least with 3 of them, I was able to read those rumors already before, but I don't remember reading a single thing about Spielberg).
But then... why are people keep saying that Spielberg had year-long rumors floating in the same way those other people did? Are they getting these from conspiracy sources (like Conspiracy Subreddit) or something? I mean, if all those money can block rumors floating in the wild, it doesn't seem to be working for Geffen and I don't think it worked for Jimmy Savile either (and he had a lot of connections with various politicians)...
And what about this statement about Sean Young?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/7f52yl/steven_spielberg_george_lucas_and_martin_scorsese/dq9y828/They could be getting it from conspiracy sources, their own speculation, or anyone who could have an ax to grind for Spielberg given his popularity (like the Crispin Glover essay). As for the Sean Young thing, I tried to look up Sean Young's Twitter and couldn't find one (at least not one for Sean Young the actress who was in Blade Runner) so I have no comment on that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 3:58:03 GMT
Perhaps you may have a semi-decent point right there since I don't remember reading that much about Spielberg rumors on IMDb, which isn't like Weinstein, Spacey, CK, or Singer, all of whom had rumors floating on more "legit" sites like IMDb way before stories broke (at least with 3 of them, I was able to read those rumors already before, but I don't remember reading a single thing about Spielberg).
But then... why are people keep saying that Spielberg had year-long rumors floating in the same way those other people did? Are they getting these from conspiracy sources (like Conspiracy Subreddit) or something? I mean, if all those money can block rumors floating in the wild, it doesn't seem to be working for Geffen and I don't think it worked for Jimmy Savile either (and he had a lot of connections with various politicians)...
And what about this statement about Sean Young?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/7f52yl/steven_spielberg_george_lucas_and_martin_scorsese/dq9y828/They could be getting it from conspiracy sources, their own speculation, or anyone who could have an ax to grind for Spielberg given his popularity (like the Crispin Glover essay). As for the Sean Young thing, I tried to look up Sean Young's Twitter and couldn't find one (at least not one for Sean Young the actress who was in Blade Runner) so I have no comment on that. Then how did John Lasseter had no rumors floating wildly on the Internet until his story broke? Also, I think you missed my question about Roger...
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 4:03:19 GMT
They could be getting it from conspiracy sources, their own speculation, or anyone who could have an ax to grind for Spielberg given his popularity (like the Crispin Glover essay). As for the Sean Young thing, I tried to look up Sean Young's Twitter and couldn't find one (at least not one for Sean Young the actress who was in Blade Runner) so I have no comment on that. Then how did John Lasseter had no rumors floating wildly on the Internet until his story broke? Also, I think you missed my question about Roger... I have no idea how Lasseter didn't have rumors. From what I know about the recent reports (mind you, I have not looked much into them), his misconduct was apparently towards his own employees so any situation probably would have been dealt in-house by Disney/Pixar. Actors, though, are not permanent employees for any one director, producer, etc. so they have more freedom to talk about their own abuse. And I saw your edit about Roger after my initial post, so I edited my post to accommodate your question: Oh, as for the depiction of Roger, I admittedly do not watch much of American Dad! (I hate it) so I cannot claim to know Roger's character terribly well, but I remember seeing an episode where Roger was in Thailand and told the waiter he'd have three 12-year-olds ( found it quoted here to back me up).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 4:07:27 GMT
Then how did John Lasseter had no rumors floating wildly on the Internet until his story broke? Also, I think you missed my question about Roger... I have no idea how Lasseter didn't have rumors. From what I know about the recent reports (mind you, I have not looked much into them), his misconduct was apparently towards his own employees so any situation probably would have been dealt in-house by Disney/Pixar. Actors, though, are not permanent employees for any one director, producer, etc. so they have more freedom to talk about their own abuse. And I saw your edit about Roger after my initial post, so I edited my post to accommodate your question: Oh, as for the depiction of Roger, I admittedly do not watch much of American Dad! (I hate it) so I cannot claim to know Roger's character terribly well, but I remember seeing an episode where Roger was in Thailand and told the waiter he'd have three 12-year-olds ( found it quoted here to back me up). Well... in case of MacFarlane, has he ever made a similar style of jokes that he made about Weinstein, Spacey, Ratner, Singer, and Spielberg in other times too?
And... what do you think of... this?:
You can skip to 2:00 if you hate to wait.
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Post by stephen on Nov 28, 2017 4:23:47 GMT
Just because MacFarlane managed to make references to open secrets about Weinstein and Spacey doesn't mean every joke should be analyzed as "insider info." Roger dressed up like Spielberg because a.) Spielberg is one of the most recognizable directors in Hollywood on sight, b.) it was parodying the '80s coming-of-age kid adventure movies that he pioneered, and c.) because Roger is a sexual deviant. Roger dressing up like Spielberg shouldn't be taken as "Roger is dressing up as a predator." The joke is perverting the image of Spielberg as a family-friendly director of the era.
As for these Spielberg-tangential blind items, I would take them with the largest grain of salt possible. For every blind item that turns out to be true, there's a dozen that are horseshit, and Spielberg is perhaps the most powerful figure in the industry, so of course people will be trying to come up with shit that can be attached to him.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 4:24:38 GMT
I have no idea how Lasseter didn't have rumors. From what I know about the recent reports (mind you, I have not looked much into them), his misconduct was apparently towards his own employees so any situation probably would have been dealt in-house by Disney/Pixar. Actors, though, are not permanent employees for any one director, producer, etc. so they have more freedom to talk about their own abuse. And I saw your edit about Roger after my initial post, so I edited my post to accommodate your question: Well... in case of MacFarlane, has he ever made a similar style of jokes that he made about Weinstein, Spacey, Ratner, Singer, and Spielberg in other times too?
And... what do you think of... this?:
You can skip to 2:00 if you hate to wait. I'm not well-versed in MacFarlane enough to know about all the times he joked about powerful Hollywood types being sexual predators (or engaging in other awful behavior, for that matter). I assume he's probably done it a number of times otherwise there'd be some master list floating online to open scrutiny towards other people he's made jokes about. As for Emanuel Azenberg, he probably mentioned Spielberg in that joke because he was one of the executive producers on Smash.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 4:30:03 GMT
Well... in case of MacFarlane, has he ever made a similar style of jokes that he made about Weinstein, Spacey, Ratner, Singer, and Spielberg in other times too?
And... what do you think of... this?:
You can skip to 2:00 if you hate to wait. I'm not well-versed in MacFarlane enough to know about all the times he joked about powerful Hollywood types being sexual predators (or engaging in other awful behavior, for that matter). I assume he's probably done it a number of times otherwise there'd be some master list floating online to open scrutiny towards other people he's made jokes about. As for Emanuel Azenberg, he probably mentioned Spielberg in that joke because he was one of the executive producers on Smash. But why would Azenberg make that kind of joke in the first place?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 4:32:26 GMT
I'm not well-versed in MacFarlane enough to know about all the times he joked about powerful Hollywood types being sexual predators (or engaging in other awful behavior, for that matter). I assume he's probably done it a number of times otherwise there'd be some master list floating online to open scrutiny towards other people he's made jokes about. As for Emanuel Azenberg, he probably mentioned Spielberg in that joke because he was one of the executive producers on Smash. But why would Azenberg make that kind of joke in the first place? Smash is about actresses trying to get parts. Is there an episode where one of them sleeps with a producer or something (genuinely asking, I didn't watch the show)? If so, then Azenberg is playing off the show's content to make a joke that is old hat at this point about women sleeping with people for roles. It's not even a particularly pointed joke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 4:35:37 GMT
But why would Azenberg make that kind of joke in the first place? Smash is about actresses trying to get parts. Is there an episode where one of them sleeps with a producer or something (genuinely asking, I didn't watch the show)? If so, then Azenberg is playing off the show's content to make a joke that is old hat at this point about women sleeping with people for roles. It's not even a particularly pointed joke. I haven't seen 'Smash', so I can't comment on that either.
In case of 'Ready Player One', how likely do you think this will get cancelled like that Gore Vidal biography by Netflix did?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 4:41:49 GMT
Smash is about actresses trying to get parts. Is there an episode where one of them sleeps with a producer or something (genuinely asking, I didn't watch the show)? If so, then Azenberg is playing off the show's content to make a joke that is old hat at this point about women sleeping with people for roles. It's not even a particularly pointed joke. I haven't seen 'Smash', so I can't comment on that either.
In case of 'Ready Player One', how likely do you think this will get cancelled like that Gore Vidal biography by Netflix did?
Considering I've spent this thread being very skeptical of these blind items about Spielberg, very low.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 4:44:27 GMT
I haven't seen 'Smash', so I can't comment on that either.
In case of 'Ready Player One', how likely do you think this will get cancelled like that Gore Vidal biography by Netflix did?
Considering I've spent this thread being very skeptical of these blind items about Spielberg, very low. Perhaps. I don’t exactly remember him appearing on the tabloid for the similar reason Savile, Weinstein, Spacey, or Singer did...
But then again, wouldn’t it be logical to some people to believe that Crazy Days and Nights knows something about all these if the website posts more than 1 story that might be related to Spielberg?
And what about this list?:
I heard these guys are in the on deck circle .... •PRINCE ANDREW •BILL CLINTON •BEN AFFLECK •STEVEN SPIELBERG •HARRISON FORD •JAMES CAMERON •JAMES FRANCO •BRYAN SINGER •BRAD PITT •KRIS KRISTOFFERSON •HENRY KISSENGER •ALAN DERSHOWITZ www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7fgs8v/were_not_finished_yet_lapd_predicts_even_bigger/dqc852f/?context=3
...and this IMDb list?:
www.imdb.com/list/ls025894774/
I'm sorry that I'm keep bugging you, but there are still some questions that I feel like they need to be explained somewhat...
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Nov 28, 2017 12:34:13 GMT
>reddit This will be good.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 14:24:43 GMT
Considering I've spent this thread being very skeptical of these blind items about Spielberg, very low. Perhaps. I don’t exactly remember him appearing on the tabloid for the similar reason Savile, Weinstein, Spacey, or Singer did...
But then again, wouldn’t it be logical to some people to believe that Crazy Days and Nights knows something about all these if the website posts more than 1 story that might be related to Spielberg?
And what about this list?:
I heard these guys are in the on deck circle .... •PRINCE ANDREW •BILL CLINTON •BEN AFFLECK •STEVEN SPIELBERG •HARRISON FORD •JAMES CAMERON •JAMES FRANCO •BRYAN SINGER •BRAD PITT •KRIS KRISTOFFERSON •HENRY KISSENGER •ALAN DERSHOWITZ www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7fgs8v/were_not_finished_yet_lapd_predicts_even_bigger/dqc852f/?context=3
...and this IMDb list?:
www.imdb.com/list/ls025894774/
I'm sorry that I'm keep bugging you, but there are still some questions that I feel like they need to be explained somewhat...
That Reddit list is quite the mish-mash of guys who've had rumors about this (I'm really surprised Bryan Singer, Prince Andrew, and James Franco haven't had public storms yet) and other famous people I had never heard much dirt about (Brad Pitt?). Similar kind of issue with the IMDb list. I mean, I can't explain away or account for every person on the internet who makes a list of people they consider sexual predators, but just because they say it does not mean I believe it. While Weinstein, Spacey, Singer, Ratner, etc. were open secrets, nothing on Spielberg popped up until literally just a month ago (even though the abuse had allegedly been going on for decades) and given the ulterior motives that some have been blatant about (anti-Semitism) and others I'm inferring (easy way to get clicks at a time like this), I don't see any reason to think it holds water. If it's true, hopefully it comes out; if it's not, then this is another Pizzagate only hopefully some self-righteous psycho doesn't go try to shoot up Hollywood over it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 14:56:42 GMT
>reddit This will be good. What do you mean?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Nov 28, 2017 15:07:02 GMT
>reddit This will be good. What do you mean? Neither Reddit nor Redditors themselves are to be taken seriously, ESPECIALLY when it comes to conspiracy theories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 16:01:21 GMT
Perhaps. I don’t exactly remember him appearing on the tabloid for the similar reason Savile, Weinstein, Spacey, or Singer did...
But then again, wouldn’t it be logical to some people to believe that Crazy Days and Nights knows something about all these if the website posts more than 1 story that might be related to Spielberg?
And what about this list?:
I heard these guys are in the on deck circle .... •PRINCE ANDREW •BILL CLINTON •BEN AFFLECK •STEVEN SPIELBERG •HARRISON FORD •JAMES CAMERON •JAMES FRANCO •BRYAN SINGER •BRAD PITT •KRIS KRISTOFFERSON •HENRY KISSENGER •ALAN DERSHOWITZ www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7fgs8v/were_not_finished_yet_lapd_predicts_even_bigger/dqc852f/?context=3
...and this IMDb list?:
www.imdb.com/list/ls025894774/
I'm sorry that I'm keep bugging you, but there are still some questions that I feel like they need to be explained somewhat...
That Reddit list is quite the mish-mash of guys who've had rumors about this (I'm really surprised Bryan Singer, Prince Andrew, and James Franco haven't had public storms yet) and other famous people I had never heard much dirt about (Brad Pitt?). Similar kind of issue with the IMDb list. I mean, I can't explain away or account for every person on the internet who makes a list of people they consider sexual predators, but just because they say it does not mean I believe it. While Weinstein, Spacey, Singer, Ratner, etc. were open secrets, nothing on Spielberg popped up until literally just a month ago (even though the abuse had allegedly been going on for decades) and given the ulterior motives that some have been blatant about (anti-Semitism) and others I'm inferring (easy way to get clicks at a time like this), I don't see any reason to think it holds water. If it's true, hopefully it comes out; if it's not, then this is another Pizzagate only hopefully some self-righteous psycho doesn't go try to shoot up Hollywood over it. True, but... why would Crazy Days and Nights post more than 1 story that seem to be related to Spielberg? Do they really know something or are they just making things up?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
That Reddit list is quite the mish-mash of guys who've had rumors about this (I'm really surprised Bryan Singer, Prince Andrew, and James Franco haven't had public storms yet) and other famous people I had never heard much dirt about (Brad Pitt?). Similar kind of issue with the IMDb list. I mean, I can't explain away or account for every person on the internet who makes a list of people they consider sexual predators, but just because they say it does not mean I believe it. While Weinstein, Spacey, Singer, Ratner, etc. were open secrets, nothing on Spielberg popped up until literally just a month ago (even though the abuse had allegedly been going on for decades) and given the ulterior motives that some have been blatant about (anti-Semitism) and others I'm inferring (easy way to get clicks at a time like this), I don't see any reason to think it holds water. If it's true, hopefully it comes out; if it's not, then this is another Pizzagate only hopefully some self-righteous psycho doesn't go try to shoot up Hollywood over it. True, but... why would Crazy Days and Nights post more than 1 story that seem to be related to Spielberg? Do they really know something or are they just making things up? Could be either one. The Heather O'Rourke blind was the most popular one the site has had in months, so I wouldn't put it past Enty that he'd make another salacious blind just for the clicks. You never really know with these things which is why I so heavily stressed that guys like Weinstein, Spacey, and Singer have had rumors about them for years. When the bread trail extends over a long period of time with a very clear kind of pattern behind them, then it lends more credibility to the claims. The Spielberg stuff just seems like it's too new, a bit too thought-out (the vast majority of Enty's blinds are no more than a couple sentences long; Himmmm is normally the one with the more extensive stuff), and has too many people with their own clear agendas promoting and discussing it. Again, if it turns out to be true then I hope it does come out, but until then I'm skeptical.
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Post by no on Nov 28, 2017 16:38:37 GMT
Even if these conspiracy theories are true, which I highly doubt, the studio has already invested so much time and money into this project, so worst case scenario, someone else well step on and replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 16:58:38 GMT
Even if these conspiracy theories are true, which I highly doubt, the studio has already invested so much time and money into this project, so worst case scenario, someone else well step on and replace him. What makes you doubt these conspiracy theories?
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Post by Miles Morales on Nov 28, 2017 18:35:24 GMT
Even if these conspiracy theories are true, which I highly doubt, the studio has already invested so much time and money into this project, so worst case scenario, someone else well step on and replace him. What makes you doubt these conspiracy theories? Well... it's Reddit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 18:48:51 GMT
True, but... why would Crazy Days and Nights post more than 1 story that seem to be related to Spielberg? Do they really know something or are they just making things up? Could be either one. The Heather O'Rourke blind was the most popular one the site has had in months, so I wouldn't put it past Enty that he'd make another salacious blind just for the clicks. You never really know with these things which is why I so heavily stressed that guys like Weinstein, Spacey, and Singer have had rumors about them for years. When the bread trail extends over a long period of time with a very clear kind of pattern behind them, then it lends more credibility to the claims. The Spielberg stuff just seems like it's too new, a bit too thought-out (the vast majority of Enty's blinds are no more than a couple sentences long; Himmmm is normally the one with the more extensive stuff), and has too many people with their own clear agendas promoting and discussing it. Again, if it turns out to be true then I hope it does come out, but until then I'm skeptical. Well, a journalist named Mark Harris, who had this thing going on:
...made this Tweet:
...as a reply to this:
...which is based on this:
medium.com/@sarajbenincasa/an-honest-review-of-the-post-ca4026e3e430
Given that 'The Post' is PG-13 and that Mark Harris mentions (thread) in both of his Tweets he posted, isn't it logical to believe that they're about to release something about Spielberg?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 28, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
Well, a journalist named Mark Harris, who had this thing going on:
...made this Tweet:
...as a reply to this:
...which is based on this:
medium.com/@sarajbenincasa/an-honest-review-of-the-post-ca4026e3e430
Given that 'The Post' is PG-13 and that Mark Harris mentions (thread) in both of his Tweets he posted, isn't it logical to believe that they're about to release something about Spielberg?
You know Sara Benincasa is a comedian, right? She's joking about the over-the-top reactions people on Twitter are having about The Post, which includes Mark Harris who had just been tweeting about the film. Man, you really want Spielberg to have a scandal, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 20:42:11 GMT
Neither Reddit nor Redditors themselves are to be taken seriously, ESPECIALLY when it comes to conspiracy theories. Hey now, what's with this redditor prejudice?
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Post by JangoB on Nov 28, 2017 20:50:31 GMT
This has got to be the stupidest thread that's ever been posted here. Especially the Sara Benincasa part
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