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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 16, 2017 17:02:31 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 16, 2017 17:35:39 GMT
Looks pretty darn great... and the role of the lifetime for Kitch.
But what the fuck is the Paramount Network?!
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Post by Viced on Nov 16, 2017 18:01:33 GMT
Shannon, Kitsch, and Johnny Legs? Don't even need to watch a trailer... I'm there.
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Post by morton on Nov 16, 2017 18:01:57 GMT
Looks pretty darn great... and the role of the lifetime for Kitch. But what the fuck is the Paramount Network?! Spike is rebranding itself. I agree it looks really great. I was really surprised that at least to me that everything looked so good because I wasn't sure what to expect from a new network. When I first heard about this back in September I think, I was sort of afraid that it might look cheap like a Lifetime movie, but the production values look very good. I also wonder if Michael Shannon could win an Emmy for that. (I'm always lost by how they do miniseries now, so maybe it might be too much competition depending on how many Ryan Murphy shows are in competition.) He seems like the type that could be a triple crown winner. I don't see him getting the EGOT because I'm not sure that he'd care enough, so I can't see him doing anything like releasing a spoken word album or something. Well he might do that, but he wouldn't do it to complete his EGOT. Finally, I Googled Michael Shannon to see if he had ever won an Emmy, so I just clicked on his Wiki page. I can't believe that I never knew he's only 43 right now!?! He just seems much older to me. It's even funnier in context to me because right under this post that I'm typing, I see Taylor Kitsch who could still pass for a young twenty something, and he's 36. I don't think Shannon could have passed for a young twenty-something even when he was 36. This is him from Revolutionary Road which was almost ten years ago now,
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Nov 16, 2017 18:49:44 GMT
That looks potentially fantastic. I'm in much more of a TV place this year than film one, and the quality of what has been on in recent years and is still coming up is probably going to keep me there.
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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 16, 2017 18:58:25 GMT
I also wonder if Michael Shannon could win an Emmy for that. (I'm always lost by how they do miniseries now, so maybe it might be too much competition depending on how many Ryan Murphy shows are in competition.) He seems like the type that could be a triple crown winner. I don't see him getting the EGOT because I'm not sure that he'd care enough, so I can't see him doing anything like releasing a spoken word album or something. Well he might do that, but he wouldn't do it to complete his EGOT. It's interesting that Shannon was never nominated for an Emmy considering how good he was in "Boardwalk Empire". Not sure if he can get in for this if he's a co-lead, his role doesn't seem showy enough. Kitsch sounds like a safer bet but he'll face with a strong competition which includes Donald Sutherland (Trust), Kyle MacLachlan (Twin Peaks), Antonio Banderas (Genius), Al Pacino (Happy Valley), Hugh Grant (A Very English Scandal), and guys from Ryan Murphy shows. But who knows.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Nov 16, 2017 19:24:43 GMT
A lot of HBO actors here, especially from Boardwalk Empire I'm in
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Post by ibbi on Nov 16, 2017 21:14:22 GMT
I was so worried this was going to be garish trash, but this instills me with all kind of hope. Cannot wait for it. Hope Tim McVeigh features.
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Post by stephen on Nov 17, 2017 3:35:05 GMT
Whigham and Fleshler, too! With Kitsch, we got us a True Detective reunion going on here (and doesn’t it seem like Shannon should’ve been on the show?). I really hope that this is lives up to its potential.
EDIT: Oh, and a lot of Boardwalk crossover, too!
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Post by cheesecake on Nov 17, 2017 3:36:44 GMT
Count me in! So excited to see Shannon and Whigham share screen again.
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Post by jakesully on Nov 19, 2017 10:19:48 GMT
This looks really good. And glad Kitsch is still getting roles . always liked him as an actor
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Post by Viced on Jan 29, 2018 20:50:51 GMT
First episode was pretty good..... nothing amazing but a solid set-up.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 30, 2018 2:19:02 GMT
First episode was pretty good..... nothing amazing but a solid set-up. Another thanks for the heads up. Oddly enough I keep seeing the commercials for this on South Park reruns that I completely didn't notice it was already airing.
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Post by jakesully on Jan 30, 2018 20:58:36 GMT
gonna start watching this now that I finished Mosaic. Hoping its good!
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Post by AKenjiB on Feb 15, 2018 8:45:42 GMT
For the most part I think this has been pretty good. The acting is universally strong with Michael Shannon being reliable as usual and playing well off of Shea Whigham yet again. This is easily the best performance Taylor Kitsch has ever given and Paul Sparks and John Leguizamo do solid work with their character arcs too. It's well shot, with the initial shootout with the ATF being a pretty visceral and horrifying experience.
I'd really prefer talking about this show purely from an artistic standpoint, but since there have been some criticisms over its portrayal of Koresh, I might as well give my two cents. I think it's handled well and I disagree with the claim that the show is trying too hard to make him sympathetic. If anything, I imagine people sympathetic to Koresh like my former roommate, who claimed that the Branch Davidians never fired a single shot at the ATF and all of the ATF agents who died were killed by friendly fire, would be pissed at the show for not making the Davidians look innocent enough. The show is certainly more about federal fuckups and that whatever you wanna say about the Branch Davidians, they didn't deserve to die, but I don't think it's giving Koresh a free pass either. Episode 2 has a plotline about one of Koresh's child brides and the show doesn't ignore some of his more bizarre beliefs, like only allowing the women to have sex with him. Kitsch does do very good at making Koresh charismatic and showing why people would want to follow him in the first place, but I don't think that means the show is portraying him as without flaws. And it's not like the feds are portrayed as pure evil people out to massacre the Davidians. Rather, they're reckless and trigger-happy, which ends up with tragic consequences. So while the show obviously portrays the feds as being largely in the wrong, I don't think the show lacks balance or tries to turn anybody into a 1-dimensional bad guy, when it'd be very easy for the show to either portray the Branch Davidians or the Feds as pure evil.
Anyways, I'm excited for the last 2 episodes. Definitely curious to see how they'll handle the tragic ending.
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Post by stephen on Feb 16, 2018 19:46:41 GMT
Two episodes in. Strong work from all involved. Kitsch is excellent. Between this and True Detective, I'm starting to see the guy come into his own. Shannon's doing his normal thing, just dialed down. Paul Sparks and Andrea Riseborough are great. Whigham's underused but suitably awesome when he is on-screen.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 17, 2018 1:16:16 GMT
Two episodes in. Strong work from all involved. Kitsch is excellent. Between this and True Detective, I'm starting to see the guy come into his own. Shannon's doing his normal thing, just dialed down. Paul Sparks and Andrea Riseborough are great. Whigham's underused but suitably awesome when he is on-screen. Up to episode 4 now and it's looking like Whigham's gonna be getting used more. Per the topic at hand, I'm really liking it so far. Ensemble is great, Kitsch should be in Emmy contention whenever that comes about, and I think the episodes have had some pretty nice direction. My biggest qualm would probably be the writing. The transitions from ATF/FBI side to the Branch Davidian's aren't particularly good and kind of throw the pacing off at times. I don't know what I'd do to make those better, but I don't know. Something just feels off about them.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 17, 2018 1:17:04 GMT
Am I the only one who likes Leguizamo as well the best?. He was really great in his episode. I don't know what they're gonna do with the character as it stands now, but episode 2 was all him.
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Post by Viced on Mar 5, 2018 22:14:36 GMT
Last episode was great and pretty harrowing.
Overall it was pretty good. Kitsch was excellent, Shannon was great, Johnny Legs was fantastic in his main episode... most of the rest of the cast was very good.
I didn't know how the story ended tbh... that was some pretty fucked up stuff.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2018 3:10:14 GMT
Last episode was great and pretty harrowing. Overall it was pretty good. Kitsch was excellent, Shannon was great, Johnny Legs was fantastic in his main episode... most of the rest of the cast was very good. I didn't know how the story ended tbh... that was some pretty fucked up stuff. Agreed. Though, I think they could have done another two episodes (one more in the compound stand-off and another one showcasing the events that followed).
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Post by jakesully on Apr 5, 2018 17:51:34 GMT
FINALLY got around to watching this. Damn really digging it so far (two episodes to go) . Kitsch is seriously an underrated actor and I'm glad to see him in a meaty role. Also, love all the Boardwalk Empire boys in this too.
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Post by cheesecake on Apr 11, 2018 22:07:39 GMT
I thought it was pretty good over all. I remember when the event happened and I've have read a lot about it over the years, but I wish more time was spent fleshing out how the Branch Davidians started and what lead them to that point. Still, the cast is really strong and it remains an infuriating and depressing moment in history.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 4, 2020 14:46:39 GMT
Watched the first episode and quite liked it. Will probably burn thru this by the end of the week (will read thru the thread after that). Also, I had no idea this had such a killer cast.
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Post by jakesully on May 10, 2020 15:23:45 GMT
bump
Very happy this found new life on Netflix. Kitsch's star meter on IMDB skyrocketed way up so good for him cause he was incredible in this.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 11, 2020 14:36:26 GMT
I liked the series overall. I’m sure there was a lot of inaccuracies but that doesn’t really bother me. The acting was very good with Kitsch, Sparks, and Shannon leading the bunch. And damn was that initial ATF shootout intense AF.
Also, I’ve read criticisms that the series portrayed Koresh too sympathetic and too much as a victim. Can’t say I agree with that. He came off as a pretty horrible and manipulative person.
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