Would you vote for Tulsi Gabbard in 2020? Jan 16, 2019 0:23:59 GMT
Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 16, 2019 0:23:59 GMT
i mentioned "in my lifetime" for a pretty good reason, although some of these are pretty indefensible. the US supporting israel with billions of taxpayer dollars per year so that they can run a fascist state is not something that i am okay with. that communism thing flat out isn't true and it's funny bc i see a lot of cold war era propaganda still being spouted today but i rarely see that one anymore. the CIA (with the help of the military, of course) overthrew many democratically elected presidents in latin america during the cold war and replaced them with fascists who then ran the countries into the ground with untold numbers of human rights violations - i suppose this is what you mean by stopping the world from falling to soviet style communism, maybe it was spending billions of dollars on unnecessary nuclear weapons while there were countless domestic issues that could have benefited from additional infrastructure. these are real world effects of having such a gigantic military state that has no problem with interfering with the rest of the world at whim; the notion of "maybe this is indefensible" is the moderate position.
Without the US army, Europe would've fallen to the Kaiser or the Third Reich. Without the US army,the Bosnians probably would've been exterminated by Milosevic's thugs. Without the US army, the Confederacy would've claimed the right to keep their slaves and joined the Mexican brigades of slavers. Without the US army, every Israeli would be open to extermination from people who think they're cockroaches. Without the US army, most of the world would've fallen to Soviet or Chinese style communism (although I imagine you'd like that). Without the US army, Islamic fascists would be able to conquer more and more land. Now I'm not an obscurantist, I know they can be a pack of cunts at times but clearly you have no idea the repercussions of not having the US army around.
Also they have protected you. A defenseless America would be ripe for the picking. And regimes are permanent unless toppled or the next generation comes along. That's why there are elections.
the military in its current position is an indefensible state and the systems that allowed it to commit the atrocities that it did in the past are largely still in place today. if there was major reform and spending cutbacks along with large cultural shifts in how the military is seen, i might be more keen on it.
You, like most socialists, clearly have no idea what fascism means. Israel is the only country in the region that protects the rights of gays, allows free speech and religion, proper elections.
What are talking about the communist thing wasn't true. Since its inception, the Soviet Union knew it wouldn't survive if it didn't expand. Trotsky and Stalin both knew that. Why bother with East Germany if it didn't have ambitions of expansion?
As for the CIA, I largely agree. These are the people who installed Saddam Hussein and bragged about it. Another mess the US army had to clean up and should have.
As for the size of the military, the deal with NATO is clear that they have to spend the amount they're spending. Unless you want to renege on the deal?