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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 24, 2017 0:13:53 GMT
 I'm more of a libertarian but Johnson is such a fool so I pick Sanders. |
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Post by atn on Aug 24, 2017 0:52:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 1:37:03 GMT
Trump: his views are meh IMO. he started as a anti-establishment idiot, but is now devolving into a neocon idiot.
Hillary: basically everything wrong with contemporary American politics. A liar, a criminal, part of the establishment... oh, and her views suck.
Sanders: I give him props for having unconventional opinions, too bad those opinions are asinine.
Johnson: I agree with him more than the others, but he's a meme at this point.
Johnson wins by default. I would've voted for Trump tho, cuz he realistically had no chance.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Aug 24, 2017 1:41:06 GMT
Sanders>Clinton>Johnson>Trump
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Post by dazed on Aug 24, 2017 2:40:31 GMT
Sanders, easily.
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 24, 2017 2:49:10 GMT
Trump
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Post by moonman157 on Aug 24, 2017 2:55:47 GMT
edge philosophy teens pls go
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 3:15:46 GMT
edge philosophy teens pls go what do you mean by this |
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Post by atn on Aug 24, 2017 3:45:40 GMT
edge philosophy teens pls go no |
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Post by Film Socialism on Aug 24, 2017 18:14:49 GMT
>clinton only has 1 vote
well trump might not have made america great again but he made MA great again
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Post by tobias on Aug 25, 2017 3:31:07 GMT
Isn't this a little late?
I hope you all voted in the primaries.
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Post by Joaquim on Aug 25, 2017 3:52:52 GMT
Isn't this a little late? I hope you all voted in the primaries. I turned 18 the day after the primary.  Guy I would've voted for lost anyway so w/e. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 25, 2017 4:54:58 GMT
Isn't this a little late? I hope you all voted in the primaries. I voted for Bernie in the primaries knowing he wouldn't win. Then I voted for Clinton. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 27, 2017 23:46:21 GMT
I'm more of a libertarian but Johnson is such a fool so I pick Sanders. So you go from libertarian to a guy who's 2 steps away from being a full blown communist. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 28, 2017 15:57:28 GMT
Because you're a communist. |
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Post by dazed on Aug 28, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
Because you're a communist. If Denmark, Norway, etc are considered communist countries, then shit, guess I am. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 17:40:01 GMT
Still with her.  |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 28, 2017 21:13:10 GMT
I'm more of a libertarian but Johnson is such a fool so I pick Sanders. So you go from libertarian to a guy who's 2 steps away from being a full blown communist. He's not a communist ! He's a social democrat ! You clearly have no idea of what a communist is .Like I've said on IMDb once , the guy has always been in favor of an european like socialism .But would you really call countries like France, England , Germany , Sweden , ..."communist" ? I don't think so . I mean I don't recall him promoting non-private ownership or a single party control. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 28, 2017 21:21:41 GMT
So you go from libertarian to a guy who's 2 steps away from being a full blown communist. He's not a communist ! He's a social democrat ! You clearly have no idea of what a communist is .Like I've said on IMDb once , the guy has always been in favor of an european like socialism .But would you really call countries like France, England , Germany , Sweden , ..."communist" ? I don't think so . I mean I don't recall him promoting non-private ownership or a single party control. That's why I said he's 2 steps away from being a communist and there is no libertarian streak in him at all. You go from one extreme to the other and it shows you have no real grasp on politics or no principle. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 28, 2017 21:26:01 GMT
He's not a communist ! He's a social democrat ! You clearly have no idea of what a communist is .Like I've said on IMDb once , the guy has always been in favor of an european like socialism .But would you really call countries like France, England , Germany , Sweden , ..."communist" ? I don't think so . I mean I don't recall him promoting non-private ownership or a single party control. That's why I said he's 2 steps away from being a communist and there is no libertarian streak in him at all. You go from one extreme to the other and it shows you have no real grasp on politics or no principle.Oh , yeah ? Go tell that to some Republicans who have voted for him, then. And his views on foreign policy, the war on drugs, civil liberties, criminal justice reform, and the Federal Reserve are all generally aligned with libertarian viewpoint. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 28, 2017 22:39:43 GMT
Oh , yeah ? Go tell that to some Republicans who have voted for him, then.
I would call them out if they voted Bernie Sanders And his views on foreign policy
I don't think libertarians want America and a bunch of nations to start sanctions on other nations civil liberties
Doesn't he want to force the Christian bakeries to make the wedding cakes for gay weddings? Doesn't he support Affirmative Action? Didn't he get a real bad score from the NRA regarding guns? Has he said anything to criticize Antifa? criminal justice reformWell that depends on what he wants implemented. Federal Reserve
He wants to fix the federal reserve. The libertarians want to get rid of it altogether.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 28, 2017 23:29:54 GMT
Oh , yeah ? Go tell that to some Republicans who have voted for him, then.
I would call them out if they voted Bernie Sanders And his views on foreign policy
I don't think libertarians want America and a bunch of nations to start sanctions on other nations civil liberties
Doesn't he want to force the Christian bakeries to make the wedding cakes for gay weddings? Doesn't he support Affirmative Action? Didn't he get a real bad score from the NRA regarding guns? Has he said anything to criticize Antifa? criminal justice reformWell that depends on what he wants implemented. Federal Reserve
He wants to fix the federal reserve. The libertarians want to get rid of it altogether. I'm aware that he's definitely not "the perfect libertarian" (yes , I know his views on taxation, health care or college tuition) but he certainly was more "libertarian" than the rest of the candidates : -he wants to cut the military significantly since he's a non-interventionist -he wants to decriminalize marijuana -he opposes U.S. foreign policy -he's pro-choice -he's pro gay-rights -he's anti crony capitalism I believe those are things a libertarian could get behind . Bottom line : Bernie Sanders can be seen as socially libertarian: Let the people do as they like without harming others without the government interfering. Bernie Sanders can be seen as politically libertarian: Let other countries do as they like without harming others without the American government interfering. Bernie Sanders is economically a democratic socialist: Get rid of all of the help that big business is getting directly from the government at the expense of the taxpayer, and use that money to look after its citizens in the form of a social safety net, universal healthcare and education. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 29, 2017 0:24:26 GMT
-he's anti crony capitalism I believe those are things a libertarian could get behind . Bottom line : Bernie Sanders is socially libertarian: Let the people do as they like without harming others without the government interfering. Bernie Sanders is politically libertarian: Let other countries do as they like without harming others without the American government interfering. Bernie Sanders is economically a democratic socialist: Get rid of all of the help that big business is getting directly from the government at the expense of the taxpayer, and use that money to look after its citizens in the form of a social safety net, universal healthcare and education.
Yeah and use that tax money to fund welfare programs that libertarians hate. -he opposes U.S. foreign policy
He's openly supported socialist regimes in South America in the past. If he had his way he'd do what he can to support them. He also says he's not a pacifist. -he's pro-choice
This is something libertarians are massively split on. Austin Peterson is pro-life because he sees it as ending a life which directly violates the child's liberty. I feel the same so I'm not giving him credit there. -he's pro gay-rightsLike I said he'd force the Christian baker to make the gay wedding cake which violates the 13th Amendment. -he's anti crony capitalismYes and pro socialism and not social democracy. He openly stated in his Democratic Socialism site that in America they are unable to take control of the means of production. Which means he wants the government to take control of the means of production. Bernie Sanders is economically a democratic socialist: Get rid of all of the help that big business is getting directly from the government at the expense of the taxpayer, and use that money to look after its citizens in the form of a social safety net, universal healthcare and education.
Something libertarians (and myself) despise. |
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Post by dazed on Aug 29, 2017 0:41:34 GMT
He's not a communist ! He's a social democrat ! You clearly have no idea of what a communist is .Like I've said on IMDb once , the guy has always been in favor of an european like socialism .But would you really call countries like France, England , Germany , Sweden , ..."communist" ? I don't think so . I mean I don't recall him promoting non-private ownership or a single party control. That's why I said he's 2 steps away from being a communist and there is no libertarian streak in him at all. You go from one extreme to the other and it shows you have no real grasp on politics or no principle. 2 steps away from being a communist?  He's a considered a centrist when you look at countries in Europe, especially the Scandinavian ones. |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 29, 2017 0:50:48 GMT
That's why I said he's 2 steps away from being a communist and there is no libertarian streak in him at all. You go from one extreme to the other and it shows you have no real grasp on politics or no principle. 2 steps away from being a communist? He's a considered a centrist when you look at countries in Europe, especially the Scandinavian ones. The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist and the Danish Prime Minister openly replied we're not socialist to Sanders comment of them. I'd also like to know policies of his is considered right wing or centrist because all I see is left wing positions and looking at his past like praising Nicaraguan bread lines shows sympathy to communists. |
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He's a considered a centrist when you look at countries in Europe, especially the Scandinavian ones. 