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Post by quetee on Jan 18, 2020 18:11:09 GMT
Joaquin's 60 min interview: link
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Post by The-Havok on Jan 19, 2020 2:37:33 GMT
Oh Warner Bros/DC... 😐
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Post by Lubezki on Jan 19, 2020 3:48:28 GMT
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Post by Lubezki on Jan 19, 2020 3:53:24 GMT
If Joaquin is definitely on board, I'm fine with De Niro being in this... Actually, War Dogs was super solid... I have some faith in Phillips.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 10, 2020 20:05:22 GMT
Revisited this thread after rewatching Joker on cable today. at some of these takes.
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Post by stephen on Aug 10, 2020 20:18:12 GMT
Revisited this thread after rewatching Joker on cable today. at some of these takes. Imagine saying in 2017 that this film was going to be an eleven-nomination Oscar juggernaut that would also win the Golden Lion at Venice (from a jury headed by a beloved female auteur) that would secure a second acting win for playing the Joker (and, consequently, be the highest-grossing film to win Best Actor in history), and which would be the Robert De Niro vehicle to actually win Oscars against a Scorsese film.
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Post by Lubezki on Aug 10, 2020 20:37:39 GMT
Revisited this thread after rewatching Joker on cable today. at some of these takes. Imagine saying in 2017 that this film was going to be an eleven-nomination Oscar juggernaut that would also win the Golden Lion at Venice (from a jury headed by a beloved female auteur) that would secure a second acting win for playing the Joker (and, consequently, be the highest-grossing film to win Best Actor in history), and which would be the Robert De Niro vehicle to actually win Oscars against a Scorsese film. What did you think of this film again?
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Post by stephen on Aug 10, 2020 20:48:25 GMT
Imagine saying in 2017 that this film was going to be an eleven-nomination Oscar juggernaut that would also win the Golden Lion at Venice (from a jury headed by a beloved female auteur) that would secure a second acting win for playing the Joker (and, consequently, be the highest-grossing film to win Best Actor in history), and which would be the Robert De Niro vehicle to actually win Oscars against a Scorsese film. What did you think of this film again? On the whole, I quite liked it, but admittedly it is incredibly heavy-handed and lacks a lot of restraint that I think might have made it a more impactful piece (i.e. not showing the Waynes' murder for the umpteenth time, but only hinting at it by showing them disappearing into the alley followed by Joe Chill). I think Phoenix is a worthy winner but it's one of those cases where I feel he won for a "greatest hits" sizzle reel of past, better performances. Still, I find it to be an enjoyable movie and personally, I'd rather revisit it than a lot of the movies it was aping.
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Post by countjohn on Aug 10, 2020 21:48:43 GMT
Revisited this thread after rewatching Joker on cable today. at some of these takes. Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be good right up until I saw it and I will gladly admit I was wrong. Goes to show that you should give something a chance every now and then even if you don't think you will like it.
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Post by Lubezki on Aug 11, 2020 1:48:50 GMT
Revisited this thread after rewatching Joker on cable today. at some of these takes. Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be good right up until I saw it and I will gladly admit I was wrong. Goes to show that you should give something a chance every now and then even if you don't think you will like it.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 11, 2020 1:53:33 GMT
Bah, I still thought it was doodie... but doodie with some very admirable techs and lead performance.
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Post by jakesully on Aug 11, 2020 12:19:35 GMT
The budget is gonna be pretty small for this (reportedly $55 million ) so it looks like WB is learning . They should make that back opening weekend . Hope its good but I have still have doubts about this. IMO the Joker works better as being very mysterious with NO back story . But maybe Phillips has something up his sleeve here. We shall see. Apparently Phillips DID have something up his sleeve here haha. Never in a million years did I think this dirty/nasty/grungy film would make over a billion dollars at the box office. Well played Todd, well played. Also, I really dug this film overall and was blown away by Phoenix's portrayal of the Joker. Only thing I have a complaint about is the portrayal of Thomas Wayne. He was such an asshole in this. In Batman Begins, he was portrayed as a such a kind man. Phillips should have portrayed him that way imo. solid 8.5/10
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 11, 2020 14:22:01 GMT
The budget is gonna be pretty small for this (reportedly $55 million ) so it looks like WB is learning . They should make that back opening weekend . Hope its good but I have still have doubts about this. IMO the Joker works better as being very mysterious with NO back story . But maybe Phillips has something up his sleeve here. We shall see. Apparently Phillips DID have something up his sleeve here haha. Never in a million years did I think this dirty/nasty/grungy film would make over a billion dollars at the box office. Well played Todd, well played. Also, I really dug this film overall and was blown away by Phoenix's portrayal of the Joker. Only thing I have a complaint about is the portrayal of Thomas Wayne. He was such an asshole in this. In Batman Begins, he was portrayed as a such a kind man. Phillips should have portrayed him that way imo. solid 8.5/10 You can never underestimate the potential of IP (Intellectual Property) as potent and beloved as the Joker. He is arguably the most beloved villain by audiences of all-time. His character not only got the most attention in Tim Burton's first megahit Batman film, but Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight.I think you can make a reasonable case that one of the big reasons Suicide Squad was a box office success (despite critics crapping on the film and Jared Leto's Joker getting a mediocre reception) was Joker being all over the marketing of the film, despite not even being in it that much. Imagine how much more money that movie makes if people liked Leto's Joker. Though Will Smith definitely played his part in that movie doing well also.
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Post by stephen on Aug 11, 2020 14:23:51 GMT
Also, I really dug this film overall and was blown away by Phoenix's portrayal of the Joker. Only thing I have a complaint about is the portrayal of Thomas Wayne. He was such an asshole in this. In Batman Begins, he was portrayed as a such a kind man. Phillips should have portrayed him that way imo. That's the whole point. We only see Thomas Wayne from Bruce's perspective, when he's got this rosy-tinted view of his dad as this kind and benevolent man. But that doesn't mean he was kind and benevolent to everyone.
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Post by Archie on Aug 11, 2020 14:29:54 GMT
Cringe.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 12, 2020 1:12:38 GMT
Also, I really dug this film overall and was blown away by Phoenix's portrayal of the Joker. Only thing I have a complaint about is the portrayal of Thomas Wayne. He was such an asshole in this. In Batman Begins, he was portrayed as a such a kind man. Phillips should have portrayed him that way imo. That's the whole point. We only see Thomas Wayne from Bruce's perspective, when he's got this rosy-tinted view of his dad as this kind and benevolent man. But that doesn't mean he was kind and benevolent to everyone. I wouldn't mind a depiction of Thomas Wayne in film that presented him as more complicated and flawed (which would actually make for an interesting issue for Bruce to reconcile if it were something he didn't discover until he was older, having held a rose-tinted view of his father), but the way he was written in Joker just felt like a cheap, forced attempt to insert a Trump-like figure into the mix because SOCIAL COMMENTARY. It was insulting.
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Post by stephen on Aug 12, 2020 1:20:06 GMT
That's the whole point. We only see Thomas Wayne from Bruce's perspective, when he's got this rosy-tinted view of his dad as this kind and benevolent man. But that doesn't mean he was kind and benevolent to everyone. I wouldn't mind a depiction of Thomas Wayne in film that presented him as more complicated and flawed (which would actually make for an interesting issue for Bruce to reconcile if it were something he didn't discover until he was older, having held a rose-tinted view of his father), but the way he was written in Joker just felt like a cheap, forced attempt to insert a Trump-like figure into the mix because SOCIAL COMMENTARY. It was insulting. What I think is interesting is that I don't look at Wayne as instantly Trump-like (although obviously there are parallels), but rather that he's just not a paragon of virtue like the idealistic image his son carries with him. Bruce Wayne never ever acknowledges his parents as anything more than symbols in his crusade for justice, and he never once thinks of them as the people they were. Joker wasn't subtle about it, but I think it's far more interesting than seeing Thomas Wayne as another selfless good-guy tycoon like in every other Batman origin story.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 12, 2020 2:09:59 GMT
I wouldn't mind a depiction of Thomas Wayne in film that presented him as more complicated and flawed (which would actually make for an interesting issue for Bruce to reconcile if it were something he didn't discover until he was older, having held a rose-tinted view of his father), but the way he was written in Joker just felt like a cheap, forced attempt to insert a Trump-like figure into the mix because SOCIAL COMMENTARY. It was insulting. What I think is interesting is that I don't look at Wayne as instantly Trump-like (although obviously there are parallels), but rather that he's just not a paragon of virtue like the idealistic image his son carries with him. Bruce Wayne never ever acknowledges his parents as anything more than symbols in his crusade for justice, and he never once thinks of them as the people they were. Joker wasn't subtle about it, but I think it's far more interesting than seeing Thomas Wayne as another selfless good-guy tycoon like in every other Batman origin story. Yeah for me the way his character was written in Joker just went too far in the other direction where he felt scummy in a one-dimensional, agenda-driven way, so it's ultimately just as uninteresting as the selfless good guy version of him. It didn't feel like an honest attempt to complicate the character to me, but rather a mere instrument for stacking the deck against Fleck (even more than it already absurdly was) and to give the film a veneer of social relevance.
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