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Post by Lubezki on Oct 10, 2019 4:36:11 GMT
If he wasn’t working on ‘The Irishman’, I could have seen him directing this.
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Post by Viced on Oct 10, 2019 5:03:59 GMT
If he wasn’t working on ‘The Irishman’, I could have seen him directing this. Sure, because you’re delusional.
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Post by Lubezki on Oct 10, 2019 5:29:55 GMT
If he wasn’t working on ‘The Irishman’, I could have seen him directing this. Sure, because you’re delusional. The movie obviously caught his attention, so much so that he allowed his producing team and crew to come work on the film. It’s not like he completely removed all association with it. But ‘The Irishman’ was a passion project so it’s no surprise he undertook that instead once his cast had committed.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 10, 2019 9:32:06 GMT
I wonder if Marty believes Joker belongs to the "super hero theme park" category...
I guess not.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 10, 2019 18:58:33 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 11, 2019 20:03:34 GMT
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Post by Good God on Oct 11, 2019 20:07:18 GMT
Joker is seemingly overperforming and it looks like general audiences are really connecting to it. If that translates to the Academy, he could very well still win. The Globe win will be crucial for him.
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Post by stephen on Oct 11, 2019 20:08:45 GMT
Joker is seemingly overperforming and it looks like general audiences are really connecting to it. If that translates to the Academy, he could very well still win. The Globe win will be crucial for him. That moment when the Globes take the line "I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy" as a sign to push Joker into Comedy/Musical.
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Post by Good God on Oct 11, 2019 20:17:01 GMT
That moment when the Globes take the line "I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy" as a sign to push Joker into Comedy/Musical. "Comedy is subjective, Joaquin."
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Post by Lubezki on Oct 11, 2019 20:40:25 GMT
Joker is seemingly overperforming and it looks like general audiences are really connecting to it. If that translates to the Academy, he could very well still win. The Globe win will be crucial for him. He could also win because it’s one of the greatest performances ever put on screen.
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Post by Lubezki on Oct 11, 2019 20:45:48 GMT
I love how this film still carries a “certified fresh” badge at 68%
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Post by Viced on Oct 11, 2019 20:54:33 GMT
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Post by stephen on Oct 11, 2019 21:08:21 GMT
^^ Does this mean Bill Camp and Shea Whigham were playing older versions of Rogen and Hader?
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Post by Good God on Oct 11, 2019 21:27:41 GMT
I love how this film still carries a “certified fresh” badge at 68% I guess RT is terrified about incels bombing their headquarters or something if they drop the Fresh badge.
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Post by Joaquim on Oct 12, 2019 15:45:11 GMT
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Post by The-Havok on Oct 12, 2019 16:59:44 GMT
How fucking moronic do you look now? People like you and Moviemanredux should just put back to sewing houses instead of making predictions.
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Post by The-Havok on Oct 12, 2019 17:01:34 GMT
Joker is seemingly overperforming and it looks like general audiences are really connecting to it. If that translates to the Academy, he could very well still win. The Globe win will be crucial for him. Movie is re-entering the BP race as well. Golden Lion + Crowd pleaser + Controversial subject that may seem familiar to older voters + Best Actor winner is a sensational combo
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 12, 2019 18:40:38 GMT
I feel called out.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 12, 2019 18:54:09 GMT
I presume everyone's seen this by now, but I'll still put this under a spoiler. Anyone else feel like the Pseudobulbar Affect (pathological laughing) was unceremoniously dropped after a certain point in the film? I thought that element was pretty well-executed as an effective depiction of the struggles of having a neurological disorder and feel like it could have been used during the final stretch of the film - the talk show and especially the subway - to powerful effect, but instead Phillips and Silver dropped it completely.
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Post by Lubezki on Oct 12, 2019 19:12:05 GMT
I presume everyone's seen this by now, but I'll still put this under a spoiler. Anyone else feel like the Pseudobulbar Affect (pathological laughing) was unceremoniously dropped after a certain point in the film? I thought that element was pretty well-executed as an effective depiction of the struggles of having a neurological disorder and feel like it could have been used during the final stretch of the film - the talk show and especially the subway - to powerful effect, but instead Phillips and Silver dropped it completely. I think it was just replaced by a laugh of someone who wasn’t afraid of his own self anymore. His laugh was always triggered by nervousness, but in his gradual change towards Joker, the laugh came about because he was humored by his brutal actions and feeling of power that he had never felt before. It was almost as if he didn’t know how to deal with it; all of a sudden he could control the laughter and therefore used it sparingly in the times he felt good about himself.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 12, 2019 19:32:52 GMT
I presume everyone's seen this by now, but I'll still put this under a spoiler. Anyone else feel like the Pseudobulbar Affect (pathological laughing) was unceremoniously dropped after a certain point in the film? I thought that element was pretty well-executed as an effective depiction of the struggles of having a neurological disorder and feel like it could have been used during the final stretch of the film - the talk show and especially the subway - to powerful effect, but instead Phillips and Silver dropped it completely. I think it was just replaced by a laugh of someone who wasn’t afraid of his own self anymore. His laugh was always triggered by nervousness, but in his gradual change towards Joker, the laugh came about because he was humored by his brutal actions and feeling of power that he had never felt before. It was almost as if he didn’t know how to deal with it; all of a sudden he could control the laughter and therefore used it sparingly in the times he felt good about himself. I understand that read, but it's antithetical to what I liked about his laugh, that it was stated as a neurological issue and not just some nervous coping behavior. If it's something that he can get over with a simple confidence boost (and that confidence boost happening by giving into being a murderous clown), then not only does that come across as lazy to me but it also plays into bad misconceptions people already have about chronic mental illness - that it's inherently dangerous and can be controlled rather than managed at best. I feel like your read could be the idea Phillips was going for, though. That or I guess the alternative idea that after a certain point, the film is all in Arthur's head where he does have that measure of control (another idea that feels pretty lazy to me).
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Post by stephen on Oct 12, 2019 19:37:22 GMT
I think it was just replaced by a laugh of someone who wasn’t afraid of his own self anymore. His laugh was always triggered by nervousness, but in his gradual change towards Joker, the laugh came about because he was humored by his brutal actions and feeling of power that he had never felt before. It was almost as if he didn’t know how to deal with it; all of a sudden he could control the laughter and therefore used it sparingly in the times he felt good about himself. I understand that read, but it's antithetical to what I liked about his laugh, that it was stated as a neurological issue and not just some nervous coping behavior. If it's something that he can get over with a simple confidence boost (and that confidence boost happening by giving into being a murderous clown), then not only does that come across as lazy to me but it also plays into bad misconceptions people already have about chronic mental illness - that it's inherently dangerous and can be controlled rather than managed at best. I feel like your read could be the idea Phillips was going for, though. That or I guess the alternative idea that after a certain point, the film is all in Arthur's head where he does have that measure of control (another idea that feels pretty lazy to me). "To be honest, we just forgot Arthur had a condition." -- David Benioff, ghost-writer for Joker
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Post by Lubezki on Oct 12, 2019 19:54:01 GMT
I think it was just replaced by a laugh of someone who wasn’t afraid of his own self anymore. His laugh was always triggered by nervousness, but in his gradual change towards Joker, the laugh came about because he was humored by his brutal actions and feeling of power that he had never felt before. It was almost as if he didn’t know how to deal with it; all of a sudden he could control the laughter and therefore used it sparingly in the times he felt good about himself. I understand that read, but it's antithetical to what I liked about his laugh, that it was stated as a neurological issue and not just some nervous coping behavior. If it's something that he can get over with a simple confidence boost (and that confidence boost happening by giving into being a murderous clown), then not only does that come across as lazy to me but it also plays into bad misconceptions people already have about chronic mental illness - that it's inherently dangerous and can be controlled rather than managed at best. I feel like your read could be the idea Phillips was going for, though. That or I guess the alternative idea that after a certain point, the film is all in Arthur's head where he does have that measure of control (another idea that feels pretty lazy to) Yeah, I agree with you and probably one of the couple things that Phillips didn’t take advantage of as much as he could have. (See Viced? I can still point out flaws in the film. I’m not a delusional blind fanbot like you think. 😛
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 13, 2019 0:26:54 GMT
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Post by Good God on Oct 13, 2019 19:21:24 GMT
This movie is genuinely overperforming at the Box Office now, and that's what's a good sign for the Oscars. I think Phoenix is now pretty much a lock for the nomination and is in strong contention for the win.
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