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Post by Joaquim on Aug 17, 2017 20:32:36 GMT
One of my roommates last year considered anything before 2004 or 2006 to be old and wouldn't watch it.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 17, 2017 22:27:03 GMT
Yes, all of the rest of that article is sad. But this is interesting, to me.
1. Great plot 2. Relatability over time 3. Memorable scenes/quotes
I've never really considered these, in particular, to be what makes a great story.
A great "plot" is always a good thing to have, but I think we need clarification on what that is. A movie can have lots of engaging twists and turns, but is that the "plot?" Can a movie about two guys sitting in a room talking make a good "plot?" Or do you need spaceships and action and so on? "Plot" is such a vague word in modern parlance that I honestly don't even know what they are saying here.
Memorable moments are always good and yes, that is part of what makes a great story. But the way this is put together, it seems to be disregarding the "small" moments that make the truly great stories come alive.
I suppose that's where relatability comes in. I'm totally on board with this, yes. I think that relatability is the most vital part of any story, when you cut down to the bone. But... what makes it relatable? What specifically are they thinking of? It's perfectly possible that these two groups of people are using the same words for entirely different things, because the wording is so vague. Errrgh.
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Post by taranofprydain on Aug 17, 2017 22:44:10 GMT
This depressed me, but I still think there is hope. I am a huge classic movie fan, and TCM's Film Festival seems to draw a younger crowd based on the ads.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 18, 2017 7:03:37 GMT
I'm not surprised. Most people my age won't watch a movie that's in black n white, let alone an old-film, and no matter how you put, it's very depressing and unfortunate. It makes me feel more lucky for growing-up in a household that actually appreciated older films.
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Post by Sharbs on Aug 18, 2017 14:28:27 GMT
This doesn't surprise me, interesting though. My sister won't watch a movie that was made before she was born...(98)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 18, 2017 15:55:20 GMT
Don't worry ray. We'll keep it alive
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Aug 18, 2017 16:18:32 GMT
Or there's the type that do call themselves a fan of classics because they watched 12 Angry Men in class without getting bored, though will show no desire to seek anything else out.
It sucks going to those Fathom screenings of the classics and the ones that aren't completely empty end up making you come out smelling like a funeral home because it was packed with people 70 or over.
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Post by tobias on Aug 19, 2017 3:08:36 GMT
I suppose that's where relatability comes in. I'm totally on board with this, yes. I think that relatability is the most vital part of any story, when you cut down to the bone. But... what makes it relatable? What specifically are they thinking of? It's perfectly possible that these two groups of people are using the same words for entirely different things, because the wording is so vague. Errrgh. It says staying relatable over time. I would say this just means that even though a movie was made in the 10's or 20's with a 10's 20's audience in mind, it still touches you. If we compare Greed and Birth of a Nation for instance, I don't think Birth of a Nation is still particularly relatable, Greed is though (imo). You could also switch this around with other films. Some have fallen completely out of time because they were so immensely indebted to the culture of their time (there are a lot of films modern today that will witness the same fate) and others might be just as relatable as back in their time or in some rare instances even more (usually the more humanistic films, dealing with the human condition in general - as this never changes). I agree that "a great plot" is vague as hell but I think in essence it's a decent factor. A great plot I would say describes that the film has a reasonable ammount of diverse and intruiging action (not as in "action film" but as in "stuff happens" - I guess you could also use the word "plotting" instead) that is all at once relevant, relatable and coherent. By those means two guys talking in a room could probably not be a great plot (as it is likely too limited in scope, not diverse enough). I would add though, that I assume they talk about classic in a general sense. I don't necesarilly think a great plot is necesarry to become a classic in certain circles. Classic is a very weird definition though. In the broadest sense it just means it holds up over time (which means that it's beyond trends). So a film does not necesarilly need a great plot to be a classic. Un Chien Andalou certainly doesn't have a great plot in any conventional sense but still I would very much argue it is a classic and I guess Triumph of the Will could be labeled a classic aswell (and certainly not for the barebone plotting). But in most cases classics among the general public tend to have what I think you could describe as "great plots".
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Post by atn on Aug 19, 2017 4:13:11 GMT
cool
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Post by taranofprydain on Aug 19, 2017 18:16:54 GMT
Or there's the type that do call themselves a fan of classics because they watched 12 Angry Men in class without getting bored, though will show no desire to seek anything else out. It sucks going to those Fathom screenings of the classics and the ones that aren't completely empty end up making you come out smelling like a funeral home because it was packed with people 70 or over. The best part of being a classic fan is the digging, just going merrily along hunting for more wonderful vintage films.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Aug 21, 2017 10:47:05 GMT
I get that sense, yeah. This article is about films of the 40s and 50s, well people in my age group that I knew would be surprised that I was so heavily into films of the 70s even. When they say a classic film, usually it's something from the 90s.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Sept 19, 2017 16:13:42 GMT
I think it's more about the lack of opportunity. Everyone is moving towards streaming and Netflix barely has any classic films. I still get the DVD/Blu Rays from Netflix for this reason, but many people aren't going to pay extra for that. I just found this article by Newsweek (posted last week) that sums it up well. www.newsweek.com/2017/09/22/netflix-streaming-movies-classics-664512.html
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 20, 2017 17:44:38 GMT
When they say a classic film, usually it's something from the 90s. ouch, that makes me feel old
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jan 19, 2018 22:32:28 GMT
I'll take the matrix over its a wonderful life anyday.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 28, 2018 19:57:21 GMT
As a Millenial (or something close to that), they're just too young to watch them - but if their interest for cinema stays alive, they eventually will. Most of the classics I've watched, I only got around to see them 2 years ago, when I entered in college. It's hard for a sixteen year-old to see the appeal or understand something that isn't that new.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 28, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
Bish you cray cray. I LOVE classic movies. I can't tell you how many times I watched American Beauty and The Boondock Saints.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 28, 2018 20:18:45 GMT
As a Millenial (or something close to that), they're just too young to watch them - but if their interest for cinema stays alive, they eventually will. Most of the classics I've watched, I only got around to see them 2 years ago, when I entered in college. It's hard for a sixteen year-old to see the appeal or understand something that isn't that new. I think it would be interesting to take a poll here of what age we "got into movies." For me, it was 13 or 14, watching stuff like Dark Victory, The Adventures of Robin Hood and The Conversation. I loved some of the newer stuff as well (looking back on my ratings, I'm shocked by the number 8 and 9/10s I gave to films I can't even remember), but I really dove into the old Hollywood classics, because they usually had much more life to them than whatever the recent movie of the week was. I remember growing up that TV stations would play movies from the 1980's on the weekend and my family would tape the stuff. Romancing the Stone, Amadeus, The Hunt for Red October. Not especially old, but memorable; classics in the making. We didn't have cable, this was actual network programming. You can't find that now. It's all dead.
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 1, 2019 20:20:22 GMT
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Post by MsMovieStar on Oct 1, 2019 22:15:18 GMT
Oh honey, that's a relief! I'm 13 and I love classic movies.
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