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Post by iheartamyadams on Jul 27, 2017 23:23:20 GMT
He's getting MVP notices and pretty incredible rave reviews yet isn't being predicted or talked up much by pundits mostly due to the nature of his role in the film.
Though, Michael Fassbender was nominated for 12 Years a Slave and DiCaprio would've very likely been nominated for Django too if not for the 11th hour Waltz category switch.
I get that the history those movies depicted is not as recent, but should he be left out (in what looks like a really weak category no less) due to his character? It wouldn't be so bad if the film as a whole wasn't embraced but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
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Post by stephen on Jul 27, 2017 23:33:26 GMT
Part of it might come down to his youth, but a large part of it will most certainly be the loathsome nature of his character. Fassbender was nominated for 12 Years a Slave, yes, but it was the biggest supporting role in the eventual Best Picture winner that year, and he had goodwill from missing out for Shame as well as being regarded as one of the most respected actors of his generation. DiCaprio was always going to be a harder sell, especially as Waltz had more screentime and played a much more likable character. Oscar has no problem recognizing villains, but recognizing racist ones has always been a rarity. That's why I expected Jennifer Jason Leigh to miss out in 2015. She didn't, but I wonder how close she came to missing.
With all that said (and obviously without having seen the film yet), I wouldn't rule Poulter out. He's a rising star, having been recognized by BAFTA a few years ago, and he did just have a sizable role in The Revenant. If he gets unanimous MVP mentions, I can see him being a fixture in the race.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 28, 2017 4:06:42 GMT
I don't keep up with the pundits, so I have no idea who they're betting on or why, but I'd say there's other factors working against him in addition to the character he plays (which is already a setback to begin with). He may be a rising star, but he's never been in contention before, he's way younger than the Academy generally likes their male actors, and more importantly, he hasn't built the level of buzz/goodwill that Fassbender had by 2013, so he's not someone the industry might immediately feel inclined to throw a bone to. That's why he doesn't really scream Oscar threat this far out even with his raves. That might've been the case if Detroit was a bigger contender, but as far as I know, no one's expecting it to go as far as 12 Years or Django, right?
Which is not to say he won't happen, just that Fassbender and DiCaprio (who still didn't) had more going for them than he does right now.
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Post by morton on Jul 28, 2017 16:26:53 GMT
I don't keep up with the pundits, so I have no idea who they're betting on or why, but I'd say there's other factors working against him in addition to the character he plays (which is already a setback to begin with). He may be a rising star, but he's never been in contention before, he's way younger than the Academy generally likes their male actors, and more importantly, he hasn't built the level of buzz/goodwill that Fassbender had by 2013, so he's not someone the industry might immediately feel inclined to throw a bone to. That's why he doesn't really scream Oscar threat this far out even with his raves. That might've been the case if Detroit was a bigger contender, but as far as I know, no one's expecting it to go as far as 12 Years or Django, right? Which is not to say he won't happen, just that Fassbender and DiCaprio (who still didn't) had more going for them than he does right now. Yes to all of this. Plus, while Detroit has raves, I don't see it having the kind of success that The Hurt Locker or even Zero Dark Thirty had. From many accounts that I've read so far, it comes off like torture porn, and I'm not sure that summer audiences want to see something like that. Also, Annapurna hasn't done that best job at promoting it, so I don't think it's going to do that well at the box office which may hurt it's chances for Best Picture especially since early contenders like Get Out, Dunkirk, and even Big Sick are doing very well at the box office. So if it does struggle in Best Picture, and even in Best Director since Bigelow missed for a stronger film, I think Poulter is likely going to be snubbed because of his age, and the fact that he's not really on their radar right now. This should only help him in the future if he keeps working with directors like Bigelow and AGI just like how Andrew Garfield finally made it in for Hacksaw Ridge but missed for The Social Network, and Garfield had a lot more going for him than Poulter does now since The Social Network was Best Picture runner-up and Detroit might struggle to even be nominated for Best Picture.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 29, 2017 5:47:20 GMT
this face doesn't exactly scream "Oscar nominee"
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Post by ibbi on Jul 30, 2017 8:25:33 GMT
He's getting MVP notices and pretty incredible rave reviews yet isn't being predicted or talked up much by pundits mostly due to the nature of his role in the film. Though, Michael Fassbender was nominated for 12 Years a Slave and DiCaprio would've very likely been nominated for Django too if not for the 11th hour Waltz category switch. I get that the history those movies depicted is not as recent, but should he be left out (in what looks like a really weak category no less) due to his character? It wouldn't be so bad if the film as a whole wasn't embraced but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Why do you assume the nature of his role is working against him? Fassbender and DiCaprio were both far bigger names than Poulter is. That probably helped their case. Him being a relative nobody is probably the biggest obstacle he has to overcome.
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Post by edp on Jul 31, 2017 10:14:57 GMT
this face doesn't exactly scream "Oscar nominee" What does this even mean?! What kind of face looks like an oscar nominee?! Head in hands and eyes rolling
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 6, 2017 2:00:58 GMT
He's getting MVP notices and pretty incredible rave reviews yet isn't being predicted or talked up much by pundits mostly due to the nature of his role in the film. Though, Michael Fassbender was nominated for 12 Years a Slave and DiCaprio would've very likely been nominated for Django too if not for the 11th hour Waltz category switch. I get that the history those movies depicted is not as recent, but should he be left out (in what looks like a really weak category no less) due to his character? It wouldn't be so bad if the film as a whole wasn't embraced but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Many problems here: (1) It's only EARLY August. We have yet to see any single critic circle or golden globe nomination being handed out. (2) He's getting rave reviews for his performance. If the film gets picture, director, and screenplay consideration, I would suspect he's going to get it too, along with Smith and Boyea. (3) The nature of his role is not a handicap at all. It's actually a strength. It shows he's matured and takes on an unpleasant character. (4) Who is making early bird Oscar predictions? Seriously. It's way too early.
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 6, 2017 2:08:04 GMT
He's getting MVP notices and pretty incredible rave reviews yet isn't being predicted or talked up much by pundits mostly due to the nature of his role in the film. Though, Michael Fassbender was nominated for 12 Years a Slave and DiCaprio would've very likely been nominated for Django too if not for the 11th hour Waltz category switch. I get that the history those movies depicted is not as recent, but should he be left out (in what looks like a really weak category no less) due to his character? It wouldn't be so bad if the film as a whole wasn't embraced but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Why do you assume the nature of his role is working against him? Fassbender and DiCaprio were both far bigger names than Poulter is. That probably helped their case. Him being a relative nobody is probably the biggest obstacle he has to overcome. Poulter is far from a nobody. He was in Son of Rambow, We're The Miller, The Maze Runner, and The Revenant. He won best breakout performance at the MTV Movie Awards. I think he's a known player, and his role in The Revenant only upped his screen credibility.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 6, 2017 3:33:57 GMT
In regards to actors who play characters of this nature being at a disadvantage when it comes to awards recognition, I'd also like to bring up the fact that Tom Hardy was nominated for The Revenant (sneaking in at the eleventh hour after scoring no precursors, mind you) for playing a vile racist of a villain. Granted, Hardy had the benefit of well-established credibility and the fact that his film had just received a wide release and was picking up its popularity right before the nominations, but still, I think it belongs in the ballpark of Fassbender/Leigh in terms of recent performances of this type still receiving Academy recognition.
As for Poulter, I absolutely want to see him recognized for the role. He's easily my Supporting Actor win of this year so far, and it'll take some truly astonishing work to top him in my personal line-up. As for whether or not he will be nominated, I certainly think he should be in consideration, but it doesn't play to his advantage that the film as a whole may not do well with the Academy; it has the disadvantage of not just an August release, but a release in the direct shadow of this year's first legitimate awards contender. It also hasn't received overwhelming critical acclaim. Of course, its subject matter, and a potentially weak year, could lead it to wider recognition come awards season, but I wouldn't count on it. Anyway, I really only see Poulter (or any of the actors, for that matter) getting in if the film receives attention across the board in numerous categories. I don't think Poulter has been singled out enough that he will be the only thing (or one of the only things) from the film that garners awards attention. He's not out of the game, but it'll be an uphill climb, especially if it proves to be a strong year for the category.
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 6, 2017 3:36:20 GMT
this face doesn't exactly scream "Oscar nominee" You're right. Only conventionally attractive people should receive recognition for their acting abilities.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 6, 2017 5:35:08 GMT
this face doesn't exactly scream "Oscar nominee" You're right. Only conventionally attractive people should receive recognition for their acting abilities. Didn't say anything about his attractiveness
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 6, 2017 5:45:31 GMT
You're right. Only conventionally attractive people should receive recognition for their acting abilities. Didn't say anything about his attractiveness Then I'm missing the point.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 6, 2017 5:52:38 GMT
Didn't say anything about his attractiveness Then I'm missing the point. I was mostly referring to how miscast he was in Detroit, playing a hardass racist cop when he looks like a 15 year-old. He didn't make much sense for The Revenant either, and I seriously doubt he'll ever be nominated for those kinds of roles because he doesn't have the presence for them. Maybe if he plays a highschooler...
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 6, 2017 5:58:28 GMT
Then I'm missing the point. I was mostly referring to how miscast he was in Detroit, playing a hardass racist cop when he looks like a 15 year-old. He didn't make much sense for The Revenant either, and I seriously doubt he'll ever be nominated for those kinds of roles because he doesn't have the presence for them. Maybe if he plays a highschooler... Well, you should definitely see his work in Detroit, which should hopefully change your mind. He's not miscast at all, and suits the role perfectly. His boyish looks (which, I should add, are not at all a reason to suggest he was 'miscast' -- even if he doesn't look like he's in his early twenties, that doesn't change the fact that he is in his early twenties, and can therefore play whatever fucking character suits him in that age range) add a whole layer of eeriness to the character's personality; not to mention it furthers the point that he's just an anxious, hate-driven, inexperienced kid who's in way over his head in a delicate situation.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Aug 6, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
Then I'm missing the point. I was mostly referring to how miscast he was in Detroit, playing a hardass racist cop when he looks like a 15 year-old. He didn't make much sense for The Revenant either, and I seriously doubt he'll ever be nominated for those kinds of roles because he doesn't have the presence for them. Maybe if he plays a highschooler... Nonsense. He's incredible in the film and was solid in The Revenant as well.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2017 18:33:18 GMT
Then I'm missing the point. I was mostly referring to how miscast he was in Detroit, playing a hardass racist cop when he looks like a 15 year-old. He didn't make much sense for The Revenant either, and I seriously doubt he'll ever be nominated for those kinds of roles because he doesn't have the presence for them. Maybe if he plays a highschooler... That's part of what is so disturbing about him and the other cops in the film. They're kids. This isn't simply a case of institutionalized racism ingrained by decades of exposure to less-than-savory viewpoints and becoming jaded by years on the beat. These cops are upstarts who immediately go for the most severe option at the first sign of trouble, and they do it without a second thought.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 6, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
I was mostly referring to how miscast he was in Detroit, playing a hardass racist cop when he looks like a 15 year-old. He didn't make much sense for The Revenant either, and I seriously doubt he'll ever be nominated for those kinds of roles because he doesn't have the presence for them. Maybe if he plays a highschooler... Well, you should definitely see his work in Detroit, which should hopefully change your mind. He's not miscast at all, and suits the role perfectly. His boyish looks (which, I should add, are not at all a reason to suggest he was 'miscast' -- even if he doesn't look like he's in his early twenties, that doesn't change the fact that he is in his early twenties, and can therefore play whatever fucking character suits him in that age range) add a whole layer of eeriness to the character's personality; not to mention it furthers the point that he's just an anxious, hate-driven, inexperienced kid who's in way over his head in a delicate situation. yeah, well I really can't take his baby face seriously
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Post by Feesy on Aug 7, 2017 20:09:44 GMT
Well, you should definitely see his work in Detroit, which should hopefully change your mind. He's not miscast at all, and suits the role perfectly. His boyish looks (which, I should add, are not at all a reason to suggest he was 'miscast' -- even if he doesn't look like he's in his early twenties, that doesn't change the fact that he is in his early twenties, and can therefore play whatever fucking character suits him in that age range) add a whole layer of eeriness to the character's personality; not to mention it furthers the point that he's just an anxious, hate-driven, inexperienced kid who's in way over his head in a delicate situation. yeah, well I really can't take his baby face seriously Then you really can't judge the actual performance, at all. You already had an agenda before the film started, essentially.
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Post by taranofprydain on Aug 19, 2017 23:37:26 GMT
the film now seems mired in controversy and is fading quickly which does not bode well for him.
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