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Post by idioticbunny on Jun 15, 2017 2:06:08 GMT
I'm not sure how many of you actually have seen a film from 1920, let alone enough to make a solid best-of-the-decade list, but I figured I'd throw mine out there and compare with anyone who actually has any to show off. Or just to hear thoughts from those who have seen the films. Or maybe to turn you on to a film you'd never heard of before. Either way, here they are:
BEST PICTURE: Battleship Potemkin (1925) The Circus (1928) A Cottage on Dartmoor (1929) Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler (1922) The Gold Rush (1925) Greed (1924) The Last Command (1928) The Phantom Carriage (1921) Sherlock Jr. (1924) *** Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) ***
BEST DIRECTOR: Anthony Asquith | A Cottage on Dartmoor Charles Chaplin | The Gold Rush Sergei M. Eisenstein | Battleship Potemkin Buster Keaton | Sherlock Jr. Fritz Lang | Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler F.W. Murnau | The Last Laugh *** F.W. Murnau | Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans *** Victor Sjöström | The Phantom Carriage Josef von Sternberg | The Last Command Erich von Stroheim | Greed
BEST ACTOR: Lon Chaney | The Penalty Charles Chaplin | The Circus Bernhard Goetzke | Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler Gibson Gowland | Greed Lars Hanson | The Scarlet Letter *** Emil Jannings | The Last Command *** Emil Jannings | The Last Laugh Buster Keaton | The Saphead George O'Brien | Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans Victor Sjöström | The Phantom Carriage
BEST ACTRESS: Louise Brooks | Pandora's Box Maria Falconetti | The Passion of Joan of Arc Janet Gaynor | 7th Heaven Janet Gaynor | Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans Lillian Gish | Orphans of the Storm *** Lillian Gish | Way Down East*** Lillian Gish | The Wind Zasu Pitts | Greed Gloria Swanson | The Trespasser Gloria Swanson | Why Change Your Wife?
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: *** Lars Hanson | Flesh and the Devil *** Emil Jannings | Faust Fritz Kortner | Pandora's Box Matheson Lang | The Hell Ship Groucho Marx | The Cocoanuts Adolphe Menjou | The Sheik Vladimir Roudenko | Napoleon Tom Santschi | 3 Bad Men Tore Svennberg | The Phantom Carriage Noah Young | A Sailor-Made Man
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: *** Evelyn Brent | The Last Command *** Bebe Daniels | Why Change Your Wife? Aud Egede-Nissen | Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler Wanda Hawley | The Affairs of Anatol Astrid Holm | Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages Astrid Holm | The Phantom Carriage Edna Purviance | The Kid Jobyna Ralston | The Freshman Tora Teje | The Monastery of Sendomir Florence Vidor | The Marriage Circle
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY: The Burning Brazier The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari The Circus A Cottage on Dartmoor Destiny The Gold Rush The Kid *** The Last Command *** Sherlock Jr. Welcome Danger
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY: The Cat and the Canary Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler Greed The Hell Ship Manslaughter The Monastery of Sendomir Pandora's Box *** The Phantom Carriage *** The Saphead Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
BEST ENSEMBLE CAST: The Affairs of Anatol The Cat and the Canary *** Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler *** Flesh and the Devil Greed Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages The Hell Ship The Last Command The Phantom Carriage Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
BEST FILM EDITING: *** Battleship Potemkin *** A Cottage on Dartmoor Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler Lonesome Man with a Movie Camera
BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY: The Last Laugh The Passion of Joan of Arc The Phantom Carriage Strike *** Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans ***
BEST ART DIRECTION: The Adventures of Prince Achmed *** The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari *** The Gold Rush Metropolis The Thief of Bagdad
BEST COSTUME DESIGN: Faust The Last Command *** Napoleon *** Pandora's Box The Thief of Bagdad
BEST MAKEUP & HAIRSTYLING: Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler Faust The Golem *** Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages *** The Hunchback of Notre Dame
BEST VISUAL EFFECTS: The Adventures of Prince Achmed *** Metropolis *** Sherlock Jr. The Thief of Bagdad Woman in the Moon
Special Mentions: Best Sound Design: The Broadway Melody Best Original Score: The Kid Best Original Song: "Swing Little Girl" | The Circus
My top three films from the decade (Sunrise, Phantom Carriage, Last Command) will all probably find their way in my top 100 with ease, but honestly all of these films are worth checking out and I hope some of you do!
And yes, Lillian Gish is that amazing (she almost beat out Swanson for the #10 spot as well, so she could have had 4 performances here). But Emil Jannings, Lars Hanson, Gloria Swanson, Janet Gaynor, Adolphe Menjou, Lon Chaney, Jobyna Ralston, Barbara Kent, Astrid Holm, and Charles Chaplin are all actors worth checking out as well. Gish's winning performance, Falconetti, and Janning (Last Command) are all probably some of the best performances I've ever seen as well.
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Post by stephen on Jun 15, 2017 2:30:57 GMT
The lack of Garbo really depresses me. Really hope you find her better when you hit up the '30s.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 15, 2017 3:34:00 GMT
I've only seen 18 movies from the 20s so I'll just go with wins
Best Picture (I'll just rank the 18)
10/10 Greed The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari Faust 9/10 Metropolis The Phantom of the Opera 8/10 Battleship Potemkin The Passion of Joan of Arc The General Sherlock, Jr. 7/10 Speedy The Devil's Wheel Storm Over Asia Seven Years Bad Luck Spies Our Hospitality Strike The Golem 6/10 Die Nibelungen: Siegfried
Best Director: Erich von Stroheim - Greed
Best Actor: Gibson Gowland - Greed
Best Actress: Maria Falconetti - The Passion of Joan of Arc
Best Supporting Actor: Emil Jannings - Faust
Best Supporting Actress: Brigitte Helm - Metropolis
Best Original Screenplay: Battleship Potemkin
Best Adapted Screenplay: Greed
Best Foreign Film: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
Best Original Score: Metropolis
Best Production Design: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
Best Cinematography: Storm Over Asia
Best Makeup and Hairstyling: Faust
Best Costume Design: Faust
Best Film Editing: Battleship Potemkin
Best Visual Effects: Metropolis
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 15, 2017 6:02:26 GMT
only seen The Gold Rush No idea when I'll get to the 20s but I have quite a few in my watchlist.
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Post by idioticbunny on Jun 15, 2017 17:19:21 GMT
stephen - If it makes you feel better, two of her performances are my win for their respective years ( Flesh and the Devil and Joyless Street). It was mostly just a lack of how much I saw of her. Her projects never seemed interesting enough for me to put ahead of other actresses I preferred or other films I felt necessary. But! I do have a feeling her 1930s work will turn me around, she's got some nice looking projects lined up. Joaquim - That's a pretty solid line-up I'd say. I do remember us discussing our differences on Faust, but I do still think it's a visual masterpiece from F.W. Murnau, and obviously I appreciate your love for Jannings' performance as well. If you loved him there, I absolutely recommend checking out The Last Command. It totally subverted my expectations. Felt like early shades of Hitchcock, Wilder, and Spielberg rolled into one - and I think that's the magic of Josef von Sternberg. Also surprised you missed out on Sunrise. Priority #1, my friend. At least, as far as 1920s goes. Oh, and such a severe lack of Lillian Gish in your viewings! Her films aren't always great, and sometimes kind of long (I blame D.W. Griffith), but she makes it worth it every single time. At least check out The Wind, which features a trio of some of the 1920s best (Gish, Lars Hanson, and director Victor Sjostrom). Tommen_Saperstein - Well, it's certainly better than 0, which is where I was at before I started this whole thing. In total, before I did this, I had probably only seen maybe 50 movies that were older than 1980. And yet for the year 2011, I have almost 150 total movies registered. So this felt like a necessity. To give you some pointers, my two 10/10 films are Sunrise and The Phantom Carriage, but The Last Command is so close to a 10, might as well include that too. The first two are essential though, as well as a lot of the works from Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, and especially Chaplin. Those are definitely good starting points.
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Post by tobias on Jun 15, 2017 22:27:52 GMT
Oh wow, nice to see we actually agree on Best Film, Director and Cinematography. Probably also on some of the technical and production categories. Here is a list of my favorite silent films: www.imdb.com/list/ls058836732/As for lineups I'll do a very quick and short one on some of the main categories (BP is my list above): Director: Murnau, Sunrise** Murnau, Nosferatu/The Last Laugh/Faust Lang, Metropolis/Nibelungen/Dr. Mabuse Sjöström, Phantom Carriage/The Wind Keaton, Sherlock Jr. Dreyer, The Passion of Joan of Arc Von Stroheim, Greed/The Wedding March Pudovkin, Storm over Asia Eisenstein, Battleship Potemkin Caplin, Goldrush Actor (support or lead, I'm bad at distinguishing): Emil Jannings, The Last Laugh** Max Schreck, Nosferatu Victor Sjöström, Phantom Carriage (could very well be the winner aswell) Conrad Veidt, Caligari Keaton, virtually anything Chaplin, virtually anything George O'Brien, Sunrise Actress: Lillian Gish, The Wind** Lillian Gish, Scarlet Letter Janet Gaynor, Sunrise/7th Heaven Maria Falconetti, The Passion of Joan Brigitte Helm, Metropolis Greta Garbo, The Mysterious Woman Best Screenplay, adapted or not (is hard): Greed** The Last Laugh 7th Heaven Dr. Mabuse Caligrai Phantom Carriage Best Ensemble: Dr. Mabuse** Greed The Marriage Circle Lady Windermere's Fan Best Editing: Storm over Asia** (hands down) Battleship Potemkin Nosferatu Sunrise The Last Laugh Strike Metropolis The Wind Sherlock Jr. Best Cinematography: Sunrise** The Wind The Last Laugh Faust Metropolis The Passion of Joan 7th Heaven Nosferatu Storm over Asia Nibelungen The last few are too hard to call. Metropolis is visual effects for sure and probably Caligari for art direction, yeah. Note: I nominated multiple films for each director because otherwise my top 7 would be all Lang n' Murnau.
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Post by idioticbunny on Jun 15, 2017 22:38:33 GMT
tobiasI'm very happy to see we share so much in common, and looking at your list on IMDB, I'm surprised someone else has seen Monastery of Sendomir, so that makes me happy. Still disappointed I skipped over Storm Over Asia and Nibelungen, but I know I'll come back around to them for sure. Also glad to see we agree on Dr. Mabuse for ensemble, that truly is one hell of a cast and nearly every single one delivers. I even typically find Klein-Rogge to be extremely over-the-top with his acting, but he was top-notch there, right outside my top ten for the decade. The only thing I can dispute with your line-up is Conrad Veidt in Dr. Caligari. I had heard so much about him in that film, but he didn't do a whole lot for me. Very excited to start the 1930s.
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Post by tobias on Jun 15, 2017 23:02:05 GMT
Also glad to see we agree on Dr. Mabuse for ensemble, that truly is one hell of a cast and nearly every single one delivers. I even typically find Klein-Rogge to be extremely over-the-top with his acting, but he was top-notch there, right outside my top ten for the decade. The only thing I can dispute with your line-up is Conrad Veidt in Dr. Caligari. I had heard so much about him in that film, but he didn't do a whole lot for me. For me Veidt in Caligrai is similar to Schreck in Nosferatu. I just completely adore him in that role as he fits it so 100 % for me (which isn't even necesarilly 100 % due to his acting but also due to his looks, makeup and stature). However Veidt was actually also a good actor outside of that of course, while Schreck was a one-hit wonder. Dr. Mabuse I could irritate you by saying that Abel is mabye my favorite in the film but it really is amazing how large the cast of characters is and how everyone delivers. What did you think of Abel in Metropolis btw? I don't think I ever asked you.
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Post by idioticbunny on Jun 15, 2017 23:13:27 GMT
tobiasThat makes sense. I'm sure that's why a lot of people love Schreck as well, even though I felt Alexander Granach did a lot more in Nosferatu than him as well (and he's my supporting win for 1922). It's more Murnau and Weine's doing on both accounts to me. Without such strong direction, the performances wouldn't have been as memorable. But of course, I do agree that Veidt is an excellent actor in his own right. I thought his work on The Hands of Orlac is probably his best. As for Abel, I suppose I blocked him out of my mind with Dr. Mabuse but amazingly, I thought his performance in Metropolis was one of the best of the year, and certainly the best of the cast for me (though Brigitte Helm is close). He pretty much ditches his entire over-the-top acting style and his subtle work there really resonated with me.
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Post by demille on Sept 19, 2017 15:43:31 GMT
I just came across this now. win in bold, runner up in italics. BEST PICTURE: Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler (1922) Eldorado (1921) The General (1926) The Gold Rush (1925) Greed (1924)The Joyless Street (1925) L'inhumaine (1924) Lucky Star (1929) Metropolis (1927) Nosferatu (1922) October (Ten Days that Shook the World) (1928) Pandora's Box (1929) The Phantom Carriage (1921)The Saga of Gösta Berling (1924) Safety Last! (1923) Scaramouche (1923) Sherlock Jr. (1924) Show People (1928) The Wind (1928) A Woman of Paris: A Drama of Fate (1923) BEST DIRECTOR: Charles Chaplin - A Woman of Paris: A Drama of FateFrank Borzage - Lucky Star Sergei M. Eisenstein - Battleship Potemkin Marcel L'Herbier - Eldorado Buster Keaton - Sherlock Jr. Fritz Lang - Metropolis F.W. Murnau - Nosferatu Victor Sjöström - The Phantom Carriage Erich von Stroheim - Foolish Wives Erich von Stroheim - Greed
BEST ACTOR: Lon Chaney - He Who Gets SlappedGibson Gowland - Greed Lars Hanson - The Saga of Gösta BerlingEmil Jannings - The Last Command Emil Jannings - The Last Laugh Ramon Novarro - Ben-Hur: A Tale of the ChristRamon Novarro - Scaramouche Ivan Mozzhukhin - The Lion of the Moguls Ivan Mozzhukhin - Feu Mathias Pascal Conrad Veidt - The Hands of Orlac BEST ACTRESS: Louise Brooks - Pandora's Box Maria Falconetti - The Passion of Joan of ArcPauline Frederick - Smouldering Fires Greta Garbo - Love Greta Garbo - A Woman of AffairsJanet Gaynor - Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans Lillian Gish - The White SisterLillian Gish - The Wind Gloria Swanson - Sadie Thompson Norma Talmadge - Kiki
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: George K. Arthur - Kiki Lars Hanson - Erotikon Lars Hanson - The WindEmil Jannings - Faust Adolphe Menjou - A Woman of Paris: A Drama of Fate Ramon Novarro - The Prisoner of ZendaErich von Stroheim - Foolish WivesJosef Swickard - The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: Evelyn Brent - The Last Command Marie Dressler - The Patsy Greta Garbo - Flesh and the Devil Greta Garbo - The Joyless Street Brigitte Helm - Metropolis Zasu Pitts - Greed
Edna Purviance - The Kid Alice Terry - Scaramouche
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Post by idioticbunny on Sept 19, 2017 16:41:29 GMT
demilleWell, thanks for getting back around to it! So far, I prefer this decade to the 1930s, just because of the sheer amount of creativity and lack of studio controls present in most of the films. Seems like the invention of sound was a success, but a huge hindrance to what creativity a director could have. Thankfully, some directors of the 1930s managed to use it well (like Rene Clair), but a lot of silent directors (save Chaplin) sort of fell flat. Still have quite a few to see from your lists, but out of what you've listed, I've liked them. The only ones that I was a bit disappointed by was October (the only Eisenstein I've truly disliked thus far), A Woman of Paris (just the weakest Chaplin I've seen so far), and Joyless Street (though considering you have Garbo supporting, you must have seen the full version whereas I only saw one that was less than 90 minutes and had Garbo as the lead). Wish there was more love for Sunrise outside of Gaynor (though I think she's damn fantastic in it), but I can settle for The Phantom Carriage which is practically neck-and-neck with it for my top spot. Also makes me happy seeing so much love for Lars Hanson as well. Sad that he, like Emil Jannings, didn't have a very prosperous career after the silent era because they were two of the best actors of the decade. Will most certainly be checking out those Ivan Mozzhukhin films you listed because his Burning Brazier was my favorite of 1923 and barely missed my top 10. Thanks!
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Post by demille on Sept 20, 2017 14:33:28 GMT
The 20s had a lot of artistic experimentation, most of which was happening in Europe and then coming into Hollywood. The social conditions in Europe and the dominance of the Hollywood industry slowed this down a lot in the 30s, with the 30s films more focused on the stars and tending to be made in the studio due to technical advantages. I do find a lot of the 30s Hollywood films interesting though - in particular the early to mid decade. The films made at MGM, in particular, were a lot better during the fist half of the decade imo.
Yes, I have seen the 2 and half our version of The Joyless Street in which Asta Nielsen is lead. I recently re-watched A Woman of Paris and loved it - when I saw it years ago I didn't think much of it. This film was very influential on Lubitsch.
I haven't seen the Ivan Mozzhukhin film you mentioned, but I am definitely interested. I thought he was quite extraordinary in the 2 films I saw him in. Yes, Lars Hanson is a great actor - I recommend The Saga of Gösta Berling for his performance (Garbo is also impressive) and also for the direction by Mauritz Stiller. Have you seen any Ramon Novarro films from the 20s? I think he is one of the best actors of the decade, along with the above two and Emil Jannings.
I have seen quite a few films from the 20s but I need to re-vist them, so my list is not my official opinion and Sunrise may get more love. And I agree with your enthusiasm over Victor Sjöström. When I first discovered him I was astonished that he isn't discussed more in film criticism/history.
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Post by idioticbunny on Sept 20, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
demilleCertainly very true about the political and social climate creating a drastic effect on the foreign film industry. Even in America, there was a lot of propaganda around the end of the decade and early in the 1940s (I've already watched two or three and I'm not even into 1941 yet). But I very much agree on the MGM stuff being better in the early part of the 1930s. The only one that seemed to thrive beyond that was Lubitsch. Which I had no idea Chaplin's A Woman of Paris was a big inspiration. Will definitely need to check it out again down the road then. Will definitely seek out more from Lars Hanson as well, and I've only seen Mata Hari with Novarro and I thought he was fine. Suppose maybe there are some recommendations you could provide for me to check out? I highly recommend checking out The Burning Brazier with Mozzhukhin. It's damn brilliant. Can feel early shades of Wilder, Kubrick, and Gilliam in it. Gets a bit too sentimental in the third act, so it's not perfect, but it's close. Glad you agree on Sjostrom, and I hope my line-ups can also serve as a bit of a foundation to seek out any more 1920s films you haven't yet!
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Post by demille on Sept 21, 2017 12:33:09 GMT
I find Novarro much better in silent films than in sound. He is great in Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ and Scaramouche - he has a virility in these films which he doesn't have in his sound pictures. Ben Hur isn't a particularly good film, but I really like Scaramouche. Rex ingram, the film's director, is an interesting and important director.
I am very interested in seeing Secret of the Monastery (1920) - most of the others on your list I have seen but definitely need to re-watch. There are a few on your 30s list that I haven't seen and that are helpful suggestions.
The propaganda of early 40s cinema does get a bit much. Thankfully there is film noir though!
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Post by idioticbunny on Sept 21, 2017 14:39:42 GMT
demilleWill certainly check those out when I work my way back. I believe both of those films were on my list but I just skipped over them, so now I have a reason to check them out. The only bad thing about Monastery is that the version I found on YouTube didn't have a music score and some of the inter-titles weren't translated into English, but that still didn't keep me from loving it which says a lot about how good Sjostrom's direction is. Tells you everything you need to know. Very true! I just re-watched The Maltese Falcon last night and it psyched me up for all the film noir I'm going to gobble up this decade.
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