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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 10, 2017 4:37:12 GMT
I'm not a Brit, but I decided get this thread started to discuss about the results and what could happen next.
I followed a little bit of this coverage since their recent election took place this week. The conservatives are short of a majority, the labours gain more seats from them, the UKIPs have no seats, and now it seems that May's party has to form a coalition.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 10, 2017 18:50:46 GMT
I don't know enough about UK politics to grasp the full ramifications of the recent snap election, but it's clearly bad news for the tories and that spells good news for everyone else.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 10, 2017 20:59:13 GMT
From what I gathered a little about the recent snap election, May thought her party could win this one comfortably. The tories still have the most seats in the parliament though, they just became short of a majority now. It's funny how the UKIPs got hurt the most from this election, since the public is probably still bitter with them over brexit.
I'm not sure if the recent attacks played a big role in this election from either spectrum.
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Post by Lubezki on Jun 12, 2017 1:30:29 GMT
Two things that stood out the most:
1. Jeremy Corbyn played a blinder of a campaign, an absolute masterclass in campaigning strategy. He managed to get the young and mosimportant voters (18-24) out of their houses and to the ballot stations. Considering his past reputation, it was a hell of an achievement to get them to buy into his vision.
2. The complete opposite occurred for Theresa May. Her greedy, self-indulgent gamble to claim the majority despite being in such a strong position in the first place backfired spectacularly and it was pathetic, truly pathetic. We [United Kingdom] need a focused, clear minded and headstrong leader; Theresa May is none of those. It seems that she's still not quite grasped what a total disaster this election was for her and instead of stepping down from PM like she should have, decided to ill-advisedly form a pact with the DUP (Democratic Unionist Party), like that's going to do wonders for any type of peace process. She won't be around for very much longer anyways, so hopefully Corbyn has his stuff already packed waiting to move into 10 Downing Street.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 12, 2017 4:30:40 GMT
From what I gathered a little about the recent snap election, May thought her party could win this one comfortably. The tories still have the most seats in the parliament though, they just became short of a majority now. It's funny how the UKIPs got hurt the most from this election, since the public is probably still bitter with them over brexit. I'm not sure if the recent attacks played a big role in this election from either spectrum. I think the reason most people supported UKIP was Brexit, not their more extreme positions on other things, so now that Brexit happened there is no reason for most people to support them. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 13, 2017 9:31:11 GMT
It turned out to be a laughably stupid decision on the part of May, but had she not performed so lousily on the campaign trail and the Tories had won 375 - 400 seats, she would have all the members of her party sucking on her toes right now. Politics is a bloody difficult game isn't it.
The DUP with power though, that's some scary shit.
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Post by tobias on Jun 14, 2017 4:32:48 GMT
I'm not a Brit, but I decided get this thread started to discuss about the results and what could happen next. I followed a little bit of this coverage since their recent election took place this week. The conservatives are short of a majority, the labours gain more seats from them, the UKIPs have no seats, and now it seems that May's party has to form a coalition. UKIP did not actually have any seats before the election (they won one seat last time but they guy left the party while in parliament) so that's barely a deal. What is interesting about this election is what happenend in Scotland and Northern-Ireland. The SNP lost a lot of seats to the Torries and also some to Labour and Lib Dems. This might be a sign against Scottish Independence. In Northern Ireland you have a really weird result with 7 Sinn Fein seats (they want to join Ireland and do not take their seats because they'd have to swear an oath to the queen which theywon't as they are republicans), 10 DUP seats (they want to remain with the UK but they're on the conservative side of conservative) and then one independent. The Northern Ireland result is interesting for 2 reasons: Jeremy Corbyn was described as a terrorist sympathizer because he wasn't unsympathetic to Irish Republicans back in the day and now Theresa May has to make a deal with the DUP (which in term of Irish terrorism are the party that is associated with unionist terrorism). It's just really funny. Second of all it's unprecedented that a Northern Ireland Party is the king maker or in any way involved in a UK government at all (as far as I'm concerned at least). It will have servere impact on the politics in Northern Ireland if the DUP is what keeps the Torries in power. Apart from that May's proposition for "strong and stable" government failed because right now it looks incredibly shaky and uncertain. The government might not last and another election is not unlikely. There's not much definitive stuff you can read from the result. IMO the North Ireland stuff is probably the most noteworthy and important right now and Corbyn getting confirmation. |
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 14, 2017 4:51:27 GMT
So from what I've been hearing May ran a campaign that was just as bad, maybe even worse than Hillary Clinton's.
This is what happens when you get cocky, most of the time it won't pay off.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 14, 2017 11:52:48 GMT
I'm not a Brit, but I decided get this thread started to discuss about the results and what could happen next. I followed a little bit of this coverage since their recent election took place this week. The conservatives are short of a majority, the labours gain more seats from them, the UKIPs have no seats, and now it seems that May's party has to form a coalition. The government might not last and another election is not unlikely. There's not much definitive stuff you can read from the result.  If that arrangement sees December 2018 I'll be shocked. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't see December 2017. |
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 23, 2017 5:06:48 GMT
From what I gathered a little about the recent snap election, May thought her party could win this one comfortably. The tories still have the most seats in the parliament though, they just became short of a majority now. It's funny how the UKIPs got hurt the most from this election, since the public is probably still bitter with them over brexit. I'm not sure if the recent attacks played a big role in this election from either spectrum. I think the reason most people supported UKIP was Brexit, not their more extreme positions on other things, so now that Brexit happened there is no reason for most people to support them. That made sense. (Sorry for a belated response.) |
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Post by CookiesNCream on Jun 23, 2017 5:24:35 GMT
I'm not a Brit, but I decided get this thread started to discuss about the results and what could happen next. I followed a little bit of this coverage since their recent election took place this week. The conservatives are short of a majority, the labours gain more seats from them, the UKIPs have no seats, and now it seems that May's party has to form a coalition. UKIP did not actually have any seats before the election (they won one seat last time but they guy left the party while in parliament) so that's barely a deal. What is interesting about this election is what happenend in Scotland and Northern-Ireland. The SNP lost a lot of seats to the Torries and also some to Labour and Lib Dems. This might be a sign against Scottish Independence. In Northern Ireland you have a really weird result with 7 Sinn Fein seats (they want to join Ireland and do not take their seats because they'd have to swear an oath to the queen which theywon't as they are republicans), 10 DUP seats (they want to remain with the UK but they're on the conservative side of conservative) and then one independent. The Northern Ireland result is interesting for 2 reasons: Jeremy Corbyn was described as a terrorist sympathizer because he wasn't unsympathetic to Irish Republicans back in the day and now Theresa May has to make a deal with the DUP (which in term of Irish terrorism are the party that is associated with unionist terrorism). It's just really funny. Second of all it's unprecedented that a Northern Ireland Party is the king maker or in any way involved in a UK government at all (as far as I'm concerned at least). It will have servere impact on the politics in Northern Ireland if the DUP is what keeps the Torries in power. Apart from that May's proposition for "strong and stable" government failed because right now it looks incredibly shaky and uncertain. The government might not last and another election is not unlikely. There's not much definitive stuff you can read from the result. IMO the North Ireland stuff is probably the most noteworthy and important right now and Corbyn getting confirmation. I saw how the other result turned for the SNP where they lost more seats around this time. Scotland held a referendum before to secede from the UK, right? This does actually make their scenario quite interesting. You're right. As for those two parties of Northern Ireland, they seem a lot more conservative than the Tories. Since you mentioned how those parties hardly had any huge influence in the UK government, they could also be up for an interesting scenario and a uncertain one for the UK. |
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If that arrangement sees December 2018 I'll be shocked. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't see December 2017.