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Post by quetee on Jun 25, 2024 0:52:39 GMT
If kendell Jenner can make a paycheck as supermodel, anyone can You just have to be tall with presence. In fact, she doesn't even have that. She is plain.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 25, 2024 2:43:38 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 25, 2024 2:52:04 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 25, 2024 4:42:04 GMT
Magic Johnson giving Angel Reese her flowers.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 25, 2024 13:05:16 GMT
Gotta love how pup complains about the “malcontents” ruining the flow of the thread just for him to spam his tweets and ruin the flow of the thread as soon as an actual conversation (that doesn’t include him) gets started about the rookie of the year debate
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2024 16:01:49 GMT
* Angel Reese - who will win Rookie of June but (probably) not Rookie of the Year - often rebounds her own shots and scores off them - if she didn't........then her assist totals would be higher .......like Bill Russell's and (the young) Bill Walton's were.... * Caitlin Clark's turnovers are about 5 and 1/2 per game - 4 or 5 would be better - but she steals ~ 1.5 balls a game, and blocks around a shot per game while increasing possessions by several through her pace..........to ask Caitlin Clark to turn the ball over less (or to play defense more) is nice I guess.......but it won't cost her RotY I reckon and it shouldn't actually - it's a bit like asking Al Pacino not to yell or only driving your Ferrari around the block Like I said 13 points per game is the difference between Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese - atm anyway.....Reese has to cut that down for me to believe all the hype around Reese actually winning ....... This is pretty funny btw...... Clark's teammates costing her like 4-6 MORE assists per game and shit
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 25, 2024 17:15:53 GMT
Of Reese's offensive rebounds, less than half are from her own misses and even if they came off her own misses, that's still a new possession for her offense and statistically offensive rebounds lead to better offensive looks. Like half of Moses Malone's all-time standing is because of offensive rebounding.
Clark's turnovers are an issue no matter how they're sliced. It's not solely her fault (her teammates are responsible for 1 and sometimes more of the turnovers credited to her a game). Pushing the pace is great for getting the offense going (weird their offensive rating is the same as last year, I'm curious if it's a marked difference over their first 5 games) but it's not solely leading to new offensive possessions, the defense is getting that too.
Part of why I give Reese the edge in my own ROTY rankings is because her on-off (+16.2) is stellar while Clark's (-0.1) is marginal.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2024 17:50:05 GMT
"Of Reese's offensive rebounds, less than half are from her own misses and even if they came off her own misses, that's still a new possession for her offense and statistically offensive rebounds lead to better offensive looks. Like half of Moses Malone's all-time standing is because of offensive rebounding" ^ This is exactly why I said the only way Reese could have the edge in RotY over Clark - and why she doesn't and has never lead in the odds so far - is if her stats go up or Clark's go down ..."less than half" is still a lot and Moses Malone got ~ 13++ - 15,16,17 rebounds on average not 11 - and Moses converted much more than 40% ....the comparisons to Russell and Malone don't apply to Reese at all - like that's not reality and it's overrating what Reese has actually done ....."less than 50%" from her own misses - ok, what then? 40? 45? Reese shoots only 40% off those "better looks".......not Moses Malone #'s at all ......like I said just a slight uptick or a slight drop from Clark and I'd be much more receptive to Reese winnng RotY .......but not as of June 25, 2024 I'm not.......
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 25, 2024 18:35:43 GMT
"Of Reese's offensive rebounds, less than half are from her own misses and even if they came off her own misses, that's still a new possession for her offense and statistically offensive rebounds lead to better offensive looks. Like half of Moses Malone's all-time standing is because of offensive rebounding" ^ This is exactly why I said the only way Reese could have the edge in RotY over Clark - and why she doesn't and has never lead in the odds so far - is if her stats go up or Clark's go down ..."less than half" is still a lot and Moses Malone got ~ 13++ - 15,16,17 rebounds on average not 11 - and Moses converted much more than 40% ....the comparisons to Russell and Malone don't apply to Reese at all - like that's not reality and it's overrating what Reese has actually done ....."less than 50%" from her own misses - ok, what then? 40? 45? Reese shoots only 40% off those "better looks".......not Moses Malone #'s at all ......like I said just a slight uptick or a slight drop from Clark and I'd be much more receptive to Reese winnng RotY .......but not as of June 25, 2024 I'm not....... 14 of her 71 offensive boards come off her own misses (21.5%). If you removed those rebounds, she'd still lead the league in offensive boards. And you're conflating "lead to better offensive looks" with her own shooting percentages. Offensive boards are not always putbacks, but can be a kickout for the start of a new offensive possession. And with the defense out of position - as players were either crashing the boards or ready to start on offense since defensive rebounds are obviously more common - the offense is at an advantage on those possessions.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2024 18:43:51 GMT
"Of Reese's offensive rebounds, less than half are from her own misses and even if they came off her own misses, that's still a new possession for her offense and statistically offensive rebounds lead to better offensive looks. Like half of Moses Malone's all-time standing is because of offensive rebounding" ^ This is exactly why I said the only way Reese could have the edge in RotY over Clark - and why she doesn't and has never lead in the odds so far - is if her stats go up or Clark's go down ..."less than half" is still a lot and Moses Malone got ~ 13++ - 15,16,17 rebounds on average not 11 - and Moses converted much more than 40% ....the comparisons to Russell and Malone don't apply to Reese at all - like that's not reality and it's overrating what Reese has actually done ....."less than 50%" from her own misses - ok, what then? 40? 45? Reese shoots only 40% off those "better looks".......not Moses Malone #'s at all ......like I said just a slight uptick or a slight drop from Clark and I'd be much more receptive to Reese winnng RotY .......but not as of June 25, 2024 I'm not....... 14 of her 71 offensive boards come off her own misses (21.5%). If you removed those rebounds, she'd still lead the league in offensive boards. Thanks - much lower than I thought .......... not enough to make her RotY (still) imo but like I said it is closer now than it has been and as close as I have been to considering a rebounder - even an offensive rebounder - over an offensive generating force like Clark.........but in any other year..........and maybe, even in this year.............we'll see.....
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 26, 2024 5:31:18 GMT
The last game between Indiana Fever and Chicago Sky is was the the highest rated WNBA game in 23 years, peaking at 3.3 million viewers.
The top two highest rated games this season feature the match- up of Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. The spillover from their college rivalry seems to have caught the imagination of viewers.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 28, 2024 8:25:56 GMT
Angel Reese becomes the youngest player in WNBA history to score 9 consecutive double-doubles in a single season in Chicago Sky's loss to Las Vegas Aces, tying the record held by Candace Parker, regarded by many as the female basketball GOAT. Reese got 18 points and 11 rebounds. If Reese gets another double-double in her next game, she will hold the record alone and outright.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 28, 2024 9:59:01 GMT
Angel Reese also becomes the fastest player in WNBA history to record 200+ points, 175+ rebounds and 25+ steals. Not something I'd consider as a record. More of an arbitrary stat. But interesting to know.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jun 28, 2024 18:35:44 GMT
Chicago fought hard, but the Aces are the Aces and look like they're rounding into form. This was the game I was picking as Angel's "Welcome to the WNBA" game because of her admiration for A'ja Wilson and Wilson did give her some lessons for sure in that first half. There's A'ja and then there is everyone else. Best female basketball player in the world right now.
Angel held her own and had a good game. This was a great learning experience for her to see where her game is at and what she needs to work on (both skill wise and athleticism/conditioning) to compete with the Wilsons of the world. The Sky have great foundational players in Reese, Cardoso, and Carter. They need a point guard and outside shooting and they'll be a dangerous team in a couple of years.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 1, 2024 0:18:24 GMT
And anyone underrating rebounding and defense in basketball can kiss the 16 combined rings of Bill Russell and Dennis Rodman. It's true. Rodman is the leading rebounder of his era. 10th all time in rpg. If you consider the 9 guys above him all inhabited an era before he even came into the league. Which tells you that frontcourts were being devalued and guards were on the rise starting from 1984. A lot of Chicagos later success came off of the back of Rodman's 15 rebounds per game. Pistons and Bulls were the last of the genuine old school frontcourts. One reason ONeal could never take down the Bulls is because he was outrebounded by Rodman - and Longley is used just for defense only which he is even better than ONeal at. Malone also isn't really a frontcourt player. A big bodied versatile scoring forward, but he doesn't possess the DNA of an old school paint player that loaded up the Bad Boys Pistons roster. And later the 2 instruments of Rodman and Longley. Yes Jordan owned ONeal and Malone but his frontcourt was just superior doing what they needed to do to exert the slight advantage in games.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 1, 2024 5:54:25 GMT
Very good day for Angel Reese, who broke the WNBA record for consecutive Double-Doubles in a single season, with her 10th consecutive Double-Double in Chicago Sky's loss to Minnesota Lynx.
Reese is now the league leader in rebounds and the joint league leader in Double Doubles.
And to top off her day, Reese won Sportswoman Of The Year at the BET Awards.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 1, 2024 6:42:58 GMT
Good day for Caitlin Clark as well, who gets the franchise record for Indiana Fever, for the most assists in a single season for an Indiana Fever rookie.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 2, 2024 21:33:57 GMT
Sabrina Ionescu for the Eastern Conference and A'ja Wilson for the Western Conference are the official WNBA Players Of The Month.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 2, 2024 21:34:59 GMT
Angel Reese is the official WNBA Rookie Of The Month.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 2, 2024 22:16:49 GMT
Angel Wilson is the official WNBA Rookie Of The Month.
Congratulations, pup, I am happy for your achievement
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 2, 2024 22:52:16 GMT
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 3, 2024 2:10:27 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2024 9:34:42 GMT
Angel Reese has now become the all-time record holder for consecutive Double-Doubles in the WNBA with her 13th consecutive of the season, breaking the record previously held by female basketball GOAT Candace Parker, who set the previous consecutive Double-Double record over 2 seasons.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 8, 2024 11:30:28 GMT
Angel Reese has now become the all-time record holder for consecutive Double-Doubles in the WNBA with her 13th consecutive of the season , breaking the record previously held by female basketball GOAT Candace Parker, who set the previous consecutive Double-Double record over 2 seasons. This is like the 3rd player on this thread that pup refers to as the female basketball GOAT just because Angel Reese broke one of her “records”
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2024 17:32:33 GMT
Skip Bayless on Undisputed gives his reasons for why he thinks Angel Reese should get the nod over Caitlin Clark as Rookie Of The Year so far.
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