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Post by futuretrunks on May 6, 2024 3:59:05 GMT
I still don't find any of this amusing. Rap feuds aren't what they used to be. Well, Eminem used to sling it with Christina, who isn't a rap star I know but still that was the last amusing feud featuring at least one rapper. I wasn't listening to rap in 2001, but I'll trust that Jay-Z feud was funny, whatever they were fighting about. It's not even that it was so funny, which there were funny moments (Ether has hilarious lines and to me Jay-Z's funniest disses on Takeover were to Prodigy - RIP ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/eOP3hfiDKiK4QwTf0sWR.gif) ). It was just the competition of it between two lyrical giants that made it special. That's what it should be about. Although no one talks about the other great rap battle leading into it, which was Beanie Sigel vs Jadakiss, who can both rap their asses off. So that was another case of formidable opponents going at it. I will admit Beanie probably won that one, even though punchline king Jadakiss is my third favorite rapper of all time. But back to Drake and Kendrick: Drake cares so much about how people perceive him, cares so much about being accepted, kisses the asses of certain artists for street cred, so I think this feud played right into his insecurities, and that's why he should just do what I think he's doing and bow out, accept defeat. And btw, the whole West Coast is against him as a result of this. I said that Pac/Snoop thing was a baaaad move. He's so lacking in self-awareness that he thought he was doing something ingenious. All of this conflict springs ulimately from jealousy. These dudes can't make hit songs at will like Drake (or Jay-Z for that matter, who's been careful with Drake). I actually admire that Kanye admitted he was envious of Drake's success despite being a superstar himself.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 6, 2024 4:18:48 GMT
"If I was fucking young girls, I promise I'd have been arrested I'm way too famous for this shit you just suggested"
Absolutely ridiculous bars to drop at any time, but especially in the post-MeToo era. This song is just too reactive. Drake is playing defense throughout most of it and then tries to take his ball and go home to give himself an out. The Dave Free stuff is the only and best offense he's got and Kendrick has yet to bother with it 2 songs later.
Nobody has come with receipts, and very rarely has anyone given a fuck about rap beefs being based on factual evidence (Jay-Z wasn't gay, 36, or in karate classes but that didn't stop "Ether" from being an all-time diss track). In a game of "he said, she said" it's about tracks and Kendrick has smoked Drake in that regard in every way.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 6, 2024 4:30:20 GMT
And when someone posts the video of him making out with the 17 year old again?? You really wanna die on this hill?! Not a good look. Do you think adult Drake has fucked someone under the age of 18? That's all I'm asking. Go through the whole thread. He at the very least starts getting in good with women under the age of 18 and will groom them for when they become an adult. That's about the best one could argue for, and it's still fucked up.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 6, 2024 4:43:16 GMT
Do you think adult Drake has fucked someone under the age of 18? That's all I'm asking. Go through the whole thread. He at the very least starts getting in good with women under the age of 18 and will groom them for when they become an adult. That's about the best one could argue for, and it's still fucked up. I feel like the definition of pedophile is someone sexually attracted to pre-pubescent women. Otherwise, it reminds me too much of a 25 year old getting shamed for dating a 19 year old. Not very interesting.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 6, 2024 4:53:00 GMT
Go through the whole thread. He at the very least starts getting in good with women under the age of 18 and will groom them for when they become an adult. That's about the best one could argue for, and it's still fucked up. I feel like the definition of pedophile is someone sexually attracted to pre-pubescent women. Otherwise, it reminds me too much of a 25 year old getting shamed for dating a 19 year old. Not very interesting. You don't think a man in his 30s hanging out with 14-16 year olds and then getting with them the moment the clock strikes midnight on their 18th birthday is fucking gross? We're not talking about a 25-year-old having a chance meeting with a 19-year-old and hitting it off, we're talking about one of the biggest stars on the planet scouting high school girls as dating prospects.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 6, 2024 5:02:00 GMT
I feel like the definition of pedophile is someone sexually attracted to pre-pubescent women. Otherwise, it reminds me too much of a 25 year old getting shamed for dating a 19 year old. Not very interesting. You don't think a man in his 30s hanging out with 14-16 year olds and then getting with them the moment the clock strikes midnight on their 18th birthday is fucking gross? We're not talking about a 25-year-old having a chance meeting with a 19-year-old and hitting it off, we're talking about one of the biggest stars on the planet scouting high school girls as dating prospects. I don't think Drake has habitually had sexual relations with 18 year olds he knew of in their mid-teens.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 11:24:34 GMT
* You know how you know when somebody's lost on a Message Board fight? You go running to the moderators for help and call the other guy a "racist" ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/30ulL7PvEvGt97femFHx.gif) * You know how you know you've lost a rap beef battle / war?.............. When you see THAT headline:
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Post by BlackCaesar21 on May 6, 2024 12:17:20 GMT
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Post by countjohn on May 6, 2024 15:56:42 GMT
Go easy on the guy, it's probably tough to be a Drake stan these days. "Tryna strike a chord and it's probably a minor" better win our Best Quote 2024 poll. Not even a Drake stan. I just can recognize the difference between a once giant and someone who doesn't have 5 true hits in his entire career. Kendrick is so beneath Drake to the point of hilarity, and has been a rude imp from day 1, despite Drake jumpstarting his career. I root on mayhem and trouble finding people so disloyal. Who cares about hits? You are not punk rock at all.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 18:07:25 GMT
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Post by futuretrunks on May 6, 2024 21:33:43 GMT
Not even a Drake stan. I just can recognize the difference between a once giant and someone who doesn't have 5 true hits in his entire career. Kendrick is so beneath Drake to the point of hilarity, and has been a rude imp from day 1, despite Drake jumpstarting his career. I root on mayhem and trouble finding people so disloyal. Who cares about hits? You are not punk rock at all. I like musicianship. I don't care about poses and attitudes.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 21:38:38 GMT
Pathetic if true.......what a world of pussies.......man up ffs.....
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 6, 2024 21:42:21 GMT
Who cares about hits? You are not punk rock at all. I like musicianship. I don't care about poses and attitudes. I don't agree with you on much, but this statement in isolation... ![](https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/614/639/9df.gif)
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Post by futuretrunks on May 6, 2024 21:54:40 GMT
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Post by countjohn on May 6, 2024 23:01:23 GMT
Who cares about hits? You are not punk rock at all. I like musicianship. I don't care about poses and attitudes. Which has nothing to do with chart positions or hits so the point stands.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 23:06:53 GMT
I like musicianship. I don't care about poses and attitudes. Which has nothing to do with chart positions or hits so the point stands. Yeah you know that statement doesn't even make sense in general - Cake agreed with it I know - but Pop music is never about mere musicianship ....when you buy a record you are buying style, fashion, attitude, a POV, a worldview........it's much more than academic .........I mean if you don't care about poses or attitudes you especially shouldn't be following a Rap beef ffs I mean seriously one of the reason Kendrick won this so handily is in the presentation of his tracks - and that has an awful lot to do with a kind of pose and a certainly an assumed attitude
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Post by countjohn on May 7, 2024 3:19:39 GMT
Which has nothing to do with chart positions or hits so the point stands. Yeah you know that statement doesn't even make sense in general - Cake agreed with it I know - but Pop music is never about mere musicianship ....when you buy a record you are buying style, fashion, attitude, a POV, a worldview........it's much more than academic .........I mean if you don't care about poses or attitudes you especially shouldn't be following a Rap beef ffs I mean seriously one of the reason Kendrick won this so handily is in the presentation of his tracks - and that has an awful lot to do with a kind of pose and a certainly an assumed attitude I wasn't going to get too much into it in general, but it doesn't make sense from either direction. Drake is selling the world an attitude as much as anyone else, a lot of these guys stan him effectively because they wish they were him, not because of the music. On the other hand, the attitude does bleed over into the music, you can tell the difference between a song written by one person, or by a band who are all playing on the song, vs something that was written by a committee for a manufactured pop act. That's what I meant by being "punk rock" not literally playing 3 chord rock music. Kendrick appears to have that kind of mindset (as I've noted a few times I'm not a huge hip hop guy so I'm not familiar with his entire discography) whereas Drake does not. Drake just doesn't have a leg to stand on, if he was feuding with The Weeknd or something he could go the futuretrunks route and compare sales and popularity. He can't with Kendrick because he doesn't care about that, his fans don't care about that, and no one is evaluating him on that metric. What he does have is respect and credibility, which is something that everyone wants deep down and Drake doesn't which is why this has clearly gotten under his skin so much. What the reactions to this have revealed is that deep down most people thought Drake was sleazy and kind of a joke this whole time even if they thought some of his songs were "bops" and liked dancing to them.
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Post by countjohn on May 7, 2024 4:08:20 GMT
Building off the above, Meet the Grahams is a great song independent of being a diss track because of what a takedown of success it is and how it attacks Drake specifically for his success. It wouldn't even have to be about a named person-
Drake's kind of crippled here, he can't fall back on his achievements or financial success as often happens in rap battles because that would just make him look like more of a phoney and prove Kendrick's point. What's he going to do, be like "Oh no, I'm a completely sincere artist, this is the real me". Speaking of things no one will believe.......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 7, 2024 4:19:06 GMT
Which has nothing to do with chart positions or hits so the point stands. Yeah you know that statement doesn't even make sense in general - Cake agreed with it I know - but Pop music is never about mere musicianship ....when you buy a record you are buying style, fashion, attitude, a POV, a worldview........it's much more than academic .........I mean if you don't care about poses or attitudes you especially shouldn't be following a Rap beef ffs I mean seriously one of the reason Kendrick won this so handily is in the presentation of his tracks - and that has an awful lot to do with a kind of pose and a certainly an assumed attitude Obviously music – not just pop music - is never about mere musicianship (I mean that’s pretty much what New Musicology has been about for decades)... but what I took from futuretrunks’ statement was the idea that poses and attitudes aren’t interesting if they’re substituting for musicianship – at least to me. This is sort of related to my “how do you listen to music” thread, where my perspective is similar. Now I don’t listen to Drake or Kendrick Lamar and haven’t really been following this feud (I just checked out the thread out of curiosity since it’s been so active), so I’m not siding with futuretrunks about their opinions on them specifically, which is why I said I agreed with their statement just taken in isolation.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 7, 2024 4:40:25 GMT
Kendrick is a capper. I think he won't release another track until his album is about to drop.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 8, 2024 20:10:13 GMT
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Post by futuretrunks on May 10, 2024 0:05:18 GMT
![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/30ulL7PvEvGt97femFHx.gif) Shocker. Kendrick steals lyrics from twitter: ![](https://twitter.com/certifiedjared/status/1788706781700493332)
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 10, 2024 0:14:34 GMT
![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/30ulL7PvEvGt97femFHx.gif) Shocker. Kendrick steals lyrics from twitter: None of those lines are so unique and clever to think that they MUST have been stolen. This isn't a Mencia thing.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 10, 2024 0:18:37 GMT
![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/30ulL7PvEvGt97femFHx.gif) Shocker. Kendrick steals lyrics from twitter: None of those lines are so unique and clever to think that they MUST have been stolen. This isn't a Mencia thing. Of course not. This is not proof of anything, but it's highly suspect.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 10, 2024 0:20:55 GMT
None of those lines are so unique and clever to think that they MUST have been stolen. This isn't a Mencia thing. Of course not. This is not proof of anything, but it's highly suspect. "Highly suspect" for what? Knowing that "OVO" rhymes with "hoe?" Are we suspecting that Kendrick has been banking tweets from 8 years for Drake punchlines on a future diss track?
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