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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 24, 2017 1:24:50 GMT
Hmmm... Difficult question. There are so many to choose from on both fronts. Best1. Jaime's bathtub confession 2. Jon vs. the White Walker 3. Ned's execution 4. Sansa's revenge on Ramsay 5. Theon's baptism HM: The King in the North (both times) "I will be your champion." Worst1. Water Gardens fight scene 2. Sand Snakes overthrow Doran 3. "Where are my dragons?" 4. Dany & co. arrive at Qarth5. "Mhysa!" I know there are tons I'm forgetting about for both categories, but this is the best I could come up with. I've never really known what to make of that scene, or Clarke's acting in it. If we're supposed to think she's a genuine bad ass there, then it really it kind of horrible, but if she's meant to come across as a naive, somewhat entitled child trying to appear powerful and strong, then I think it's good stuff and she sells it. I'm inclined to go with the latter interpretation, and therefore think the scene's quite good, but it walks a fine line between good and bad for sure. The problem with the scene isn't even that Clarke is exceptionally bad in it or anything. I just think the entire Qarth storyline is a burning pile of dogshit, and the first scene is easy to point to as one of its worst. It just looks so second-rate, and everything about the characters and dialogue is so unbelievably cheesy and hard-to-watch.
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Post by notacrook on Jun 24, 2017 9:17:31 GMT
I've never really known what to make of that scene, or Clarke's acting in it. If we're supposed to think she's a genuine bad ass there, then it really it kind of horrible, but if she's meant to come across as a naive, somewhat entitled child trying to appear powerful and strong, then I think it's good stuff and she sells it. I'm inclined to go with the latter interpretation, and therefore think the scene's quite good, but it walks a fine line between good and bad for sure. The problem with the scene isn't even that Clarke is exceptionally bad in it or anything. I just think the entire Qarth storyline is a burning pile of dogshit, and the first scene is easy to point to as one of its worst. It just looks so second-rate, and everything about the characters and dialogue is so unbelievably cheesy and hard-to-watch. Yeah, Qarth was pretty awful as a storyline, right up there with Dorne and Braavos, particularly standing out in the generally very strong S2.
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Post by bkguy182 on Jul 6, 2017 20:48:59 GMT
this is all off the top of my head and not well thought out so its probably a lie in some shape or form.
the first 20 minutes of the season 6 finale. (i know, thats probably cheating) khaleesi burning astapor. jaimes speech in the bath. the nights watch oath in watchers on the wall theons baptism
hm to tower of joy and the cut between baby snow and jon snow being the single greatest edit in history. hm to "we should have never left that cave, jonsnow"
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Post by cheesecake on Jul 9, 2017 20:35:37 GMT
While I put more thought into it, I'm still astounded by:
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Post by notacrook on Jul 9, 2017 20:45:49 GMT
While I put more thought into it, I'm still astounded by:
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Post by cinemagirl16 on Jul 12, 2017 0:04:37 GMT
BEST
1) Jon Snow drawing his sword and facing the cavalry charge 2) Daenerys uttering “Dracarys” / the fall of Astapor 3) Jaime’s confession about why he killed the Mad King 4) Transition from Lyanna’s newborn to Jon Snow - KITN 5) The Hound and Arya go for chicken
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1) Dorne in general, but especially “bad pussy” 2) Arya is fooled by the Waif and gets stabbed multiple times 3) Rickon Stark running in a straight line… 4) the Blackfish’s death 5) Fat Pink Mast
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Post by Drish on Jul 15, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
Okay, Twin Peaks totally stole GoT's thunder for me. Looking forward to E10 much more than this. 😬
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jul 15, 2017 18:15:04 GMT
And should anyone interrupt or my cable go out...
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Post by notacrook on Jul 15, 2017 20:29:27 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 15, 2017 22:04:58 GMT
Okay, Twin Peaks totally stole GoT's thunder for me. Looking forward to E10 much more than this. 😬 Yeah, I'd be watching Twin Peaks too if it weren't for the fact that sitting down to watch GOT is such an established norm in my family that I'll probably be ostracized and ridiculed if I don't partake.
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Post by notacrook on Jul 16, 2017 13:16:57 GMT
Re-watched the last two episodes of S6 in preparation, and I really do think they're both amazing episodes and provided a stunning close to an uneven season. I know some people have issues with "Battle of the Bastards" (I definitely have problems with Sansa saving the day, satisfying though it was), but everyone loves "Winds of Winter" right? I mean, I think that's easily the show's best season finale to date, and maybe its best episode, period. Also, I think both Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington, the weakest of the main cast, were great in these two episodes.
S5 and S6 were both highly problematic, with some fucking disastrous storylines (Dorne, Braavos) and characterisation (Stannis), but I'm still super hyped for tonight and S7 as a whole. The trailers seem very promising, and these last two episodes were a perfect lead-in to a return to form for the show. I'm prepared for more good-not-great TV, but I'm hoping for much more than that, akin to the first 4 seasons.
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Post by Archie on Jul 16, 2017 14:54:15 GMT
Re-watched the last two episodes of S6 in preparation, and I really do think they're both amazing episodes and provided a stunning close to an uneven season. I know some people have issues with "Battle of the Bastards" (I definitely have problems with Sansa saving the day, satisfying though it was), but everyone loves "Winds of Winter" right? I mean, I think that's easily the show's best season finale to date, and maybe its best episode, period. Also, I think both Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington, the weakest of the main cast, were great in these two episodes. S5 and S6 were both highly problematic, with some fucking disastrous storylines (Dorne, Braavos) and characterisation (Stannis), but I'm still super hyped for tonight and S7 as a whole. The trailers seem very promising, and these last two episodes were a perfect lead-in to a return to form for the show. I'm prepared for more good-not-great TV, but I'm hoping for much more than that, akin to the first 4 seasons. Braavos wasn't that bad, man. The ending was completely bullshit and The Waif is a shit character, but it had some amazing scenes. I loved Arya learning the history of the Faceless Man, Arya hiding Needle, Arya and Jaqen playing the game of lies in S5E06, and Arya watching the play and her scenes with Lady Crane were fucking great. BoTB and TWoW are definitely my 2 favorite episodes yeah. Rains and Hardhome are close.
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Post by notacrook on Jul 16, 2017 15:16:59 GMT
Re-watched the last two episodes of S6 in preparation, and I really do think they're both amazing episodes and provided a stunning close to an uneven season. I know some people have issues with "Battle of the Bastards" (I definitely have problems with Sansa saving the day, satisfying though it was), but everyone loves "Winds of Winter" right? I mean, I think that's easily the show's best season finale to date, and maybe its best episode, period. Also, I think both Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington, the weakest of the main cast, were great in these two episodes. S5 and S6 were both highly problematic, with some fucking disastrous storylines (Dorne, Braavos) and characterisation (Stannis), but I'm still super hyped for tonight and S7 as a whole. The trailers seem very promising, and these last two episodes were a perfect lead-in to a return to form for the show. I'm prepared for more good-not-great TV, but I'm hoping for much more than that, akin to the first 4 seasons. Braavos wasn't that bad, man. The ending was completely bullshit and The Waif is a shit character, but it had some amazing scenes. I loved Arya learning the history of the Faceless Man, Arya hiding Needle, Arya and Jaqen playing the game of lies in S5E06, and Arya watching the play and her scenes with Lady Crane were fucking great. BoTB and TWoW are definitely my 2 favorite episodes yeah. Rains and Hardhome are close. Braavos certainly wasn't as bad as Dorne, but its conclusion was so fucking atrocious (probably my least favourite sequence in all of GoT) that I can't help but have a negative overview of it. But you're right, there was a lot of merit, especially in S6 with that theatre troupe - love me some Essie Davis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 2:08:04 GMT
Decent start
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Post by jakob on Jul 17, 2017 2:09:29 GMT
Ed Sheeran was massively distracting, but that was a solid start. Terrific opening.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jul 17, 2017 2:15:13 GMT
Not the strongest start in my eyes but then again, last season's opener was one of the worst episodes of the whole series...
The whole episode felt like the appendices of the show so far with only little tidbits that are barely connected and oddly put together. No one really gets a chance to shine (outside of maybe Euron and Clegane, though the board has such a fascination with Lady Mormont that I'm sure they'll be stanning for her) and it honestly just felt like an extended "This season on..." trailer. I dunno, with the way they played this episode out, I feel as though I can rightly guess about 80% of what will happen with a good deal of accuracy... and that's something I probably couldn't have done so easily in the previous seasons (to this extent).
But mark my words and I'd be willing to put money down on this that Gilly will find the most pivotal piece of information about how to deal with the army of the dead. As of right this minute I can't say if it will be a direct finding or a more round-a-bout way (ala, "you'll catch cold!" from ID4), but it will happen. A Men's Warehouse guarantee on that.
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Post by Archie on Jul 17, 2017 2:34:03 GMT
Solid start. The Brotherhood without Banners scenes were terrific and the cold open was really satisfying. That ginger dude's cameo was distracting though.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 17, 2017 4:19:02 GMT
Yeah, that was alright. Certainly better than their last couple of premieres. Honestly, something that really threw me off with this episode is how, after two incredibly rushed seasons, the first episode of the last thirteen had hardly any notable development. And considering the amount of story they still have left to wrap up, it's surprising (and, in a way, impressive) that they would go for such a low-key premiere. Anyway, some scattered thoughts: --Keeping the presence of the Dany / Tyrion storyline as minimal as possible was a huge plus to the overall quality of the episode. Their last scene was ... sort of, I don't know, 'obvious'. Not bad, I guess. --The floor map was one of the laziest tools for exposition that this show has ever used. --The cold open was pretty solid, though doesn't quite top the one from "Two Swords" (which is still the show's best premiere episode in general). --Ed Sheeran's cameo became distracting once someone pointed out to me that it was Ed Sheeran. I kind of enjoyed that scene in general, though. It only took 'em six seasons to finally decide to humanize some soldiers. It's also nice to give Arya that moment of levity, as watching her slaughter everyone in her path would get tiresome after a while (in fact, it already was getting tiresome at the start of this episode). --That fucking Sam montage reminded me of something you'd see in a bad commercial. Total misfire there. Anyway, I found it a bit bold to dedicate such a large chunk of screentime to one of the show's less popular characters during the first episode. And while there was nothing particularly great about his scenes (and Oldtown has been quite underwhelming as a setting so far), I was glad to see this episode include about as much progress in that regard as I was expecting ... all season, maybe. So that's a plus. Though I can't help but roll my eyes at how this obviously paves the way for a Jon/Dany alliance that I was hoping they would steer clear of but now seems inevitable. --And also, JORAH! Not quite sure what role he'll have in the endgame, but it was sure nice to see him pop up again. --The whole Cersei/Euron alliance(?) was predictable from last season's fade to back, but the real problem here is the show's absolutely horrible depiction of Euron. I wasn't even a big fan of his character in the books as some others were, but honestly, that's hardly a factor. He's just an exaggerated cartoonish sex deviant who acts, dresses, and looks like some devilish pop rock star from the '70s. His presence is honestly just kind of embarrassing. Maybe that's the point? For some reason? --The Hound / Brotherhood Without Banners moments were easily the highlight of the episode. The Hound's character arc has been one of the show's most impressive and fully-realized elements, and they continued to pull that thread beautifully here. His scenes were at times touching, and at other times hauntingly prophetic. Great shit. Rory McCann is this week's MVP. --I am so ready for more Jon vs. Sansa. Okay, I think that covered most of the bases. A decent start as a whole, though I was expecting something with a little more adrenalin to set-up this story's grand finale, especially considering the general crowd-pleasing nature of this series. Though it's nice to see the writers still devote the proper time to some character development and necessary, proper plot progression. So I can't complain too much. I'm definitely excited to see what comes next. Any predictions for how long it takes before Jaime kills Cersei? My money's on episode six. It'll definitely be before the season wraps.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 17, 2017 4:23:30 GMT
Not the strongest start in my eyes but then again, last season's opener was one of the worst episodes of the whole series... The whole episode felt like the appendices of the show so far with only little tidbits that are barely connected and oddly put together. No one really gets a chance to shine (outside of maybe Euron and Clegane, though the board has such a fascination with Lady Mormont that I'm sure they'll be stanning for her) and it honestly just felt like an extended "This season on..." trailer. I dunno, with the way they played this episode out, I feel as though I can rightly guess about 80% of what will happen with a good deal of accuracy... and that's something I probably couldn't have done so easily in the previous seasons (to this extent). But mark my words and I'd be willing to put money down on this that Gilly will find the most pivotal piece of information about how to deal with the army of the dead. As of right this minute I can't say if it will be a direct finding or a more round-a-bout way (ala, "you'll catch cold!" from ID4), but it will happen. A Men's Warehouse guarantee on that. Oh, absolutely. I could see it coming as soon as she picked up that book.
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Post by notacrook on Jul 17, 2017 4:53:36 GMT
Liked it quite a lot, certainly one of the stronger season premieres they've done (I'd roughly rank them: 2 > 4 > 7 > 5 > 1 > 3 > 6). I agree with others that it was surprisingly understated, save for that fantastic opening scene, and that was a mostly good thing, with some exceptions.
Good: - The Hound stuff was easily my favourite part of the episode. Really, really well done in terms of writing and acting (McCann was absolutely MVP no question). Loved returning to that family to continue The Hound's atonement of sorts, and his is definitely one of the strongest character arcs of the show along with Sansa and Cersei.
- Might as well repeat it: that opening was a brilliant way to start the season. All the Arya stuff was really good, actually. Sheeran was distracting and felt like a total waste of a cameo (unless he was that terrible at acting and they cut him down). Nice, small moment of humanity for both Arya and the soldiers.
- Jon vs Sansa = fuck yes. I don't want Sansa to give in to Littlefinger, but some conflict between those two would be nice. Although, I'm kinda getting tired of the Mormont girl giving 'badass' speeches and nothing else.
- Dany stuff at the end was decent, and again more understated than I expected. I wish Clarke would emote just a bit more, but whatever, I've accepted her limitations as an actress. I'm actually looking forward to a Dany/Jon alliance, predictable-as-fuck though it may be.
- Cersei and Jaime interactions were good, and I liked Jaime actually regaining some semblance of a character once again, instead of blindly following Cersei around like last season. I think it's pretty obvious he'll kill her sooner or later (this season? Maybe, but a season without Cersei will be a sad season), which I'm torn on. On the one hand, it's very predictable; on the other, I think it could be a great moment. We'll see.
Bad: (nothing really bad here but...) - That map was indeed lazy (a somewhat cool visual though), and Euron continues to be a fairly terrible character. I don't know why they've made him into some kind of joke here - I was no fan of his in the books (or anything on the Iron Islands, for that matter), but he was at least somewhat menacing and intriguing. I liked some of his Jaime-digs here, but other than that...
- The Sam montage-sequence was kinda fun and different from the show's usual style, but ultimately felt silly and unnecessary. I wish they would take more advantage of the Oldtown setting, but then it is only episode 1. Also, if they waste Broadbent like they did Sydow, then they're dumb as fuck.
- Finally, I don't know why I keep saying Harington and Clarke are the weakest main cast members, when Isaac Hempstead Wright is sitting right there. Puberty did his acting skills no favours. Too late to replace him?
So yeah, very solid start on the whole. Hoping for a snappier pace from here on out though, now that the throat-clearing is out of the way. 8.5/10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 5:46:32 GMT
Yeah, I'll do a good/bad breakdown too cuz why not.
Good
Jon vs Sansa is easily the most intriguing story-line currently. It has a lot of potential, but I could also see it crashing and burning. Unlike most of the storylines, I don't really know where it's going, or how it's going to escalate.
I liked the overall tone of the episode. Mostly just quiet buildup and character interaction. It was refreshing.
I have to agree with everyone, the Hound really stole the show. McCann is probably the best performer on the show, beside Headey and Dinklage.
My favorite scene had to be the Ed Sheeren cameo. To be fair tho, I didn't know it was Sheeren so it wasn't distracting. The scene added a lot more depth and nuance to Arya's character, and the show gained some perspective from the common soldier. Good stuff.
The opening was solid
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Euron.
Some of the dialog felt way too on the nose. And yeah, that map scene was kinda cringe worthy.
The Dany stuff was... meh.
Not too happy with the Jorah scene tbh. I'm fine with him being in Oldtown, but the reveal could've been much better.
The Sam montage felt like a Family Guy joke. Funny at first, then becomes horribly unfunny, and eventually becomes funny again due to how ridiculously long it takes. Maybe it wasn't that long, but jesus it felt like an eternity.
Overall, solid start. Definitely not what I was expecting, but that's not a bad thing. I give it a 7.5-8/10.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 17, 2017 11:41:27 GMT
Solid start. Arya and Hound shines. Hope Dany gets into the driver seat soon.
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Post by dazed on Jul 17, 2017 13:54:17 GMT
Pretty good start. Much better than last seasons opener. I loved the opening sequence.
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Post by Drish on Jul 17, 2017 14:34:38 GMT
Aah and it begins..! ❤
So a very decent start to what looks to be a very action packed season.
- Loved the whole Sansa and Jon dynamics and both the actors are really nailing their parts especially Sophie. I'm so sick of that little 'badass' girl though.
- Really didn't think much of that Euron Greyjoy's part. The actor is basically playing another version of Ramsey. I hope he gets better.
- Littlefinger, please die already.
- Lena Headey and Hottie Waldau's scene was so good and it's gonna be fun to see where their relationship goes from here. I do think Jamie will kill Cersei but that seems very predictable so maybe not.
- Sam's story was boring.
- And why are people finding Ed Sheeran distracting?! He didn't have any line other than that song he sang (which was pretty good). He was almost nonexistent.
Overall, really nice start and looking forward to the next ones. 8/10
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