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Post by pupdurcs on May 25, 2023 3:55:30 GMT
Yeah, it sounds like a potentially interesting project/role for Phoenix, but I'm also not sure how a straight actor playing gay in 2023 counts as "bold". Ethan Hawke and Pedro Pascal just got done doing that and people barely batted an eyelid. All it does is win you more fans on Twitter for being LGBTQ friendly and in the right project maybe get you awards consideration. But playing gay in of itself isn't a bold acting move in this day and age for most actors. Coming out as gay in Hollywood...now that's bold. I do say so
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Post by mhynson27 on May 25, 2023 4:26:28 GMT
I do say so Just so we're clear, I agree with your general argument, just don't think Pedro is straight.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 25, 2023 4:52:09 GMT
so bold to play gay in 2023 after an enormously successful decades-spanning career, multiple Oscar nods and an Oscar win Dirk Bogarde playing gay in 1961, that was bold.and it being NC-17 probably just means we see dick like three times, and probably not Phoenix's. Guarantee it won't be anything people who've been watching HBO for the last 25 years haven't seen before. It ain't gonna be Nymphomaniac.I dunno, but Bogarde doesn't fit does he? I think it just means you can't name an actor who's done this who also meets the criteria of Phoenix's stature playing this part in such a film either - I mean it hasn't been done, right? - not really getting credit for how risky his post Oscar projects are - whether they're good or not is a different thing ........but following his Oscar win with this, Beau is Afraid and Kitbag is pretty out there ..............to me.......... These films are more in line with Phoenix's general taste and selection since Walk the Line when he seemed to decide he doesn't care for mainstream celebrity. Given his career, something like Joker is the outlier.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 25, 2023 7:46:57 GMT
I dunno, but Bogarde doesn't fit does he? I think it just means you can't name an actor who's done this who also meets the criteria of Phoenix's stature playing this part in such a film either - I mean it hasn't been done, right? - not really getting credit for how risky his post Oscar projects are - whether they're good or not is a different thing ........but following his Oscar win with this, Beau is Afraid and Kitbag is pretty out there ..............to me.......... These films are more in line with Phoenix's general taste and selection since Walk the Line when he seemed to decide he doesn't care for mainstream celebrity. Given his career, something like Joker is the outlier. I do get this ^ but I'm just saying he occupies a unique place in American film acting that we should champion more ......this idea of the "alternative film star" in the manner of some other Oscar BA winners - Duvall, PSH.......people are saying things like "it's not 2005 anymore!" to which I'd say - yeah it actually didn't happen in 2005 either really.......and this isn't merely "playing gay" Penn is somewhat close but that had the safety of a biopic - but Hawke and Pedro Pacal and Bogarde do not occupy comparable statures in US films (I asked for BA winners ffs).......I agree that for him - perversely - the Joker is the outlier.......it would be kinda fun to know what roles he's turned down in his career .........I want to know what films he looked at scripts for and said "This is weird - I'm out"
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Post by stephen on May 25, 2023 12:59:51 GMT
It's easy to say that Phoenix taking this sort of role isn't as comparatively risky as Dirk Bogarde doing it in the 1960s, but Dirk wasn't doing an NC-17 movie back then, either, so it sort of balances out. It should also be noted that it's not like DiCaprio is taking NC-17 roles, either... although if he did, he might go a long way towards demolishing that stigma; it's what frustrates me so much about DiCaprio because he really could use his clout to do great things in independent film or in killing certain stigmas, but the man's just content to work with Scorsese and fuck twenty-year-olds. But I guarantee that if DiCaprio decided to work with Todd Haynes, it would be far and away Haynes's most financially lucrative movie ever regardless of the subject matter, even if Haynes insisted on keeping the NC-17 rating.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 26, 2023 18:23:48 GMT
Haynes in Deadline yesterday:
DEADLINE: Final question, what’s next for you? Are you still consumed with May December for the near future?
HAYNES: No, no. I have a project I’m very excited about next, which is a very different film in style and tone and setting. It’s a love story set in the 1930s between two men, an interracial relationship, a very unlikely pair. It stars Joaquin Phoenix. The earliest ideas around the story and the setting were things he came to me with a couple of years ago. We started to talk and share these conversations. I brought in my partner, Jon Raymond. He’s a writer who lives in Portland, where I live when I’m home. John and I adapted Mildred Pierce together. John has written most of Kelly Reichardt’s films with her over the last, god, six features. Me and Joaquin and Jon just basically created this thing, so we’ll all be sharing story credit on it together. It feels very fresh and new and exciting.
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Post by DanQuixote on Nov 27, 2023 0:11:56 GMT
Love that Jon Raymond is involved. His work with Reichardt is always stellar.
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Post by stephen on Feb 6, 2024 15:30:48 GMT
A detective story? Mayhaps we're getting a noir from Haynes?
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 6, 2024 17:17:46 GMT
I can't believe mayhaps is a real word.
And holy shit this sounds exciting. Though Haynes will probably be snubbed again even if the film is a hit lmao.
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