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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 27, 2023 10:27:30 GMT
Two of the greatest love songs ever written, inspired by the same woman (though Georgie-boy later denied “Something” was written for Pattie Boyd). Which song do you prefer? “Something” is a top 5 Beatles song for me and is probably the more impeccably crafted of the two songs, and I would say I prefer it over “Layla” if the latter were just the first 3 minutes........ but that extended piano outro in “Layla” just elevates it to a slightly higher level of sublimity for me. I love that I get to bask in it for 4 extra minutes, while “Something” always leaves me wanting more because of its relative brevity. I knew a guy in high school who hated “Layla” because he couldn’t stand Duane Allman’s slide guitar (we weren’t friends ). I guess I can see how someone would find it to be “too much,” but what I love about it is how it soulfully captures the feeling of swooning and being totally intoxicated by romantic love. The length of that outro leaves you drunkenly drained and dazed.... and I can never get enough of it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 27, 2023 10:48:11 GMT
Well, I once listed the 100 greatest Rock songs of all time or something (on that day anyway) on MAR because I was bored af and Layla would never miss on any day and Something would never make it and of course that's our offical list on MAR .......the reason for that, aside from personal taste - is Layla is one of few works of music like The Stones best work - 68-72, and Astral Weeks (I know, you're not a fan of that one) - that reimagines a whole idiom of music without remotely sounding at all like that idiom (the Blues)....... For as much as Rock and Roll uses the Blues - other than say - Slim Slow Slider or Sympathy for the Devil and Layla - and a few others - it actually delivered very few "new versions of the Blues" .....there is not much music that evokes the Blues without copying Blues stylistic devices ...... Layla is a harrowing song that is connected to something far older and primal and frightening - there's a lot going on in that song ........the title alone is rooted in somethng ancient, the "howling" or sweeping parts of it suggest things in older Blues songs but without copying it, Clapton a great guitarist certainly - but never a particularly great singer, much less a Blues singer - sounds anguished......it's a remarkable song, you can actually use to understand a whole genre of other music Side note: That song also of course - and I think I wrote about this once too (?) - gave mopey dudes so much false hope that the girl they want will eventually come around to loving them - now sure, creating Layla isn't the same as that goofy-ass mix tape or bouquet of flowers you bought for that girl from Math class who won't give you the time of day, but still........the whole "Layla story" is kind of amazing / horrible /wtf-ish
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 27, 2023 11:23:21 GMT
Clapton a great guitarist certainly - but never a particularly great singer, much less a Blues singer - sounds anguished......
That’s another reason why I prefer “Layla”... “Something” is maybe warmer and more tender of a love song, which is nice, and as much as I love it, it’s definitely more “comfortable” in its sentiment, whereas “Layla” is more representative of the type of thing I tend to be a sucker for when it comes to love songs – anguished yearning and aching longing (part of why Brahms is my favorite classical composer too).
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 28, 2023 7:39:27 GMT
8 votes currently, but no more comments? So far this thread is a Layla lovefest, but here are some things that are great about Something:
- George’s guitar solo is God-tier without being flashy, just wonderfully melodic and precisely phrased with a discernible arc to it.
- Paul’s bass sounds so fucking good, and the bass line itself is also incredibly melodic without drawing too much attention to itself. Instead it just perfectly complements everything around it and adds energy to the song’s verses.
- Features one of my favorite key changes in a song ever in the transition to the song’s bridge, where the main guitar hook overshoots its last note, giving the song a chill-inducing “lift” (at 1:11).
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Post by Nikan on Apr 28, 2023 19:34:35 GMT
Georgie boy.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 28, 2023 22:50:03 GMT
This comparison reminds me of Taylor Swift saying one time that she was so jealous of Pattie Boyd having guys write songs for her like this all the time. The benefits of dating guys with actual songwriting talent, i.e, not Calvin Harris or Harry Styles.
Anyway, Something is one of the greatest songs of all time, although as pacinoyes noted I would not really call it "rock". I'd sooner compare to a great American songbook love song than a power ballad.
To be honest, the piano solo in Layla is gorgeous but other than that it just sounds like standard FM radio classic rock to me which is not what I'm interested in.
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Post by VERITAS on Apr 29, 2023 0:30:27 GMT
As someone who's instinctively biased toward everything Harrison...it's Layla. Radle's supporting bassline sells it for me...
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 29, 2023 2:16:02 GMT
This comparison reminds me of Taylor Swift saying one time that she was so jealous of Pattie Boyd having guys write songs for her like this all the time. Funny, Taylor Swift kind of looks a little like a young Pattie Boyd (to me at least)
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 29, 2023 13:42:40 GMT
"Layla" to me is a really good song with fantastic guitar work, Clapton's wonderfully anguished vocal performance covering up some so-so verses and laying more emphasis on a rollicking chorus, and a piano exit that completely supplants all that came before (perhaps to the fault of the song's overall balance).
"Something," though, is just immaculately constructed. Harrison I find a much better lyricist and the song is threading a needle that so many artists try and can rarely ever get so right: making an unabashed, all-encompassing love song without being saccharine. Hell, Clapton's own attempt to do so for Pattie Boyd ("Wonderful Tonight"), while good, couldn't compete.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2023 14:23:08 GMT
I was once listening to "Something" while tipsy and it legit drew tears out of me with its beauty and simplicity which cuts right to the core of how wonderful love can be. When I hear "Layla" all I see is dead guys in a garbage truck Both songs are great but "Something" is just something else.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Apr 29, 2023 23:16:13 GMT
"Layla" always strikes me as more about obsession and desperation than love. "Something" is a true love song.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 30, 2023 6:48:09 GMT
"Layla" to me is a really good song with fantastic guitar work, Clapton's wonderfully anguished vocal performance covering up some so-so verses and laying more emphasis on a rollicking chorus, and a piano exit that completely supplants all that came before (perhaps to the fault of the song's overall balance).Hm, that’s interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the song’s balance regarding its contrasting sections, though I guess I can see how someone might feel that way if they just find one half to be significantly better than the other in a way that makes it seem jarring. I love both parts, though like I said in my OP, I do prefer the second half. But the issue of balance doesn’t really enter into how I respond to the song because for me it’s more about the song’s cumulative effect - the way it starts as one thing, transforms, and ends as something quite different in terms of how it sounds, but not completely separate in what it’s expressing (like how movies sometimes unfold). I don’t see the piano exit as supplanting all that came before, but rather complementing it by adding another emotional dimension to what’s being expressed, resulting in two related but distinct sides of Clapton’s romantic obsession - the anguished, desperate, and pleading side, but also the joyously, deliriously infatuated (and, crucially, wordless) side tinged with heartache and melancholy.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 30, 2023 6:49:25 GMT
When I hear "Layla" all I see is dead guys in a garbage truck I was waiting to see if anyone would make this reference. Was honestly expecting more votes for the Beatles song… but maybe a lot of the Layla voters are big Goodfellas fans…
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 30, 2023 7:38:57 GMT
I would say also the balance of Layla is much in keeping with "the modern day Blues" inherent in the songs creation.......ie it's Blues because it's reflective and not immediate.......which is a characteristic of Rock (or Pop)
Layla starts with the title which goes back centuries.....it name drops Robert Johnson's great Blues song Love in Vain which goes back decades.......the ending to Layla is not meant to fit our idea of a Pop song but something else - see what I did there (ahem)
Clapton is saying my love for you started before I ever met you and it will go on after I'm dead, it isn't current - it's eternal......it's poetic really.....by comparison Something is just a Pop song about some dame............j /k
I'd actually say that 2023's very best song Lankum's - Go Dig My Grave - like Layla, a masterpiece - uses the same conceit of length.......by going on and on Layla becomes more harrowing while seemingly "just pretty" in ways it couldn't at just 3 or 4 minutes.......the change and length becomes integral to the songs overall purpose .....
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 30, 2023 15:49:06 GMT
"Layla" to me is a really good song with fantastic guitar work, Clapton's wonderfully anguished vocal performance covering up some so-so verses and laying more emphasis on a rollicking chorus, and a piano exit that completely supplants all that came before (perhaps to the fault of the song's overall balance).Hm, that’s interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the song’s balance regarding its contrasting sections, though I guess I can see how someone might feel that way if they just find one half to be significantly better than the other in a way that makes it seem jarring. I love both parts, though like I said in my OP, I do prefer the second half. But the issue of balance doesn’t really enter into how I respond to the song because for me it’s more about the song’s cumulative effect - the way it starts as one thing, transforms, and ends as something quite different in terms of how it sounds, but not completely separate in what it’s expressing (like how movies sometimes unfold). I don’t see the piano exit as supplanting all that came before, but rather complementing it by adding another emotional dimension to what’s being expressed, resulting in two related but distinct sides of Clapton’s romantic obsession - the anguished, desperate, and pleading side, but also the joyously, deliriously infatuated (and, crucially, wordless) side tinged with heartache and melancholy. The song I do find still very good as a whole, but it's one where I'm either listening to the piano exit on its own (like off the Goodfellas soundtrack) or partway through the early portion I can feel myself waiting for the piano to take center stage. While I do think the two modes are complementary in what they are meaning to express, I just find the piano exit the vastly superior half.
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Post by SZilla on May 1, 2023 1:31:03 GMT
Hm, that’s interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the song’s balance regarding its contrasting sections, though I guess I can see how someone might feel that way if they just find one half to be significantly better than the other in a way that makes it seem jarring. I love both parts, though like I said in my OP, I do prefer the second half. But the issue of balance doesn’t really enter into how I respond to the song because for me it’s more about the song’s cumulative effect - the way it starts as one thing, transforms, and ends as something quite different in terms of how it sounds, but not completely separate in what it’s expressing (like how movies sometimes unfold). I don’t see the piano exit as supplanting all that came before, but rather complementing it by adding another emotional dimension to what’s being expressed, resulting in two related but distinct sides of Clapton’s romantic obsession - the anguished, desperate, and pleading side, but also the joyously, deliriously infatuated (and, crucially, wordless) side tinged with heartache and melancholy. The song I do find still very good as a whole, but it's one where I'm either listening to the piano exit on its own (like off the Goodfellas soundtrack) or partway through the early portion I can feel myself waiting for the piano to take center stage. While I do think the two modes are complementary in what they are meaning to express, I just find the piano exit the vastly superior half. Interesting, as its the exact opposite for me. I love the first half to the point that I think its the greatest riff in rock but I usually find myself tuning out or changing the channel once the piano kicks in (beautiful as it is).
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