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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:47:17 GMT
I'm against it. Too expensive and risky.
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Post by Martin Stett on May 19, 2017 14:45:32 GMT
Theoretically, if there is 100% video proof of the convicted killing someone, just pop the guy in the head with a bullet and be done with it. That isn't the way the American justice system works, though.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 19, 2017 18:47:53 GMT
Passionately against it. Setting aside the fact that it falls under cruel and unusual punishment, I don't have nearly enough faith in prosecutors, defense attorneys, or juries to be able to accurately determine who deserves that severe a punishment. Given how amoral the system is by nature and fickle and discriminatory by human error, I don't think we should be playing with such high stakes. Mistakes have been made before and will be made again, and that's just assuming that capital punishment isn't universally immoral to begin with. I happen to think it is, since the only thing backing up its validity is an eye-for-an-eye knee-jerk sense of retribution. It doesn't mend any wounds, it doesn't bring victims back or reverse the harm that's been done, it doesn't deter crime. Aggressively punitive measures are generally ineffective, but none are more shocking and inhumane than the death penalty because it's the most irrevocable of all punishments.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 20, 2017 8:44:17 GMT
I'm not against it. I believe that for people that have commited war crimes, fanatic fundamental terrorists and drug lords it is the suitable punishment.
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Post by MsMovieStar on May 20, 2017 10:26:08 GMT
Oh honey, they could probably achieve the same level of punishment by being forced to watch the complete Nicole Kidman filmography with repeat views of Grace of Monaco...
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Post by morton on May 20, 2017 13:34:01 GMT
I have two minds about this. Like Tommen_Saperstein, I'm against it because there's too big of a risk that an innocent person could end up being put to death. However, I think that there are just some people that rehabilitation is just never going to work for or whose crimes are too heinous to try to rehabilitate them. I know the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison, but I would have rather seen someone like Charles Manson get the death penalty long ago instead of still getting attention. I was always on the fence about the death penalty even before this happened, Woman suffers setback in recovery from being set on fire, but the victim in the story is a relative of mine. It just makes me sick that the "person" who did this to her only received 11 years in prison because the prosecutor has to wait until she dies to go for a harsher punishment in the case. Even when she does eventually die, I think that the death penalty would still be too good for her attacker, but for her immediate family especially her mom, it's one of the few things that they can look forward to.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 20, 2017 14:25:57 GMT
Definitely FOR if the person is PROVEN guilty (way too many innocent people have been executed ) Some people just do not deserve to live after they all the horrible things they've done.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 20, 2017 18:04:38 GMT
I was always on the fence about the death penalty even before this happened, Woman suffers setback in recovery from being set on fire, but the victim in the story is a relative of mine. It just makes me sick that the "person" who did this to her only received 11 years in prison because the prosecutor has to wait until she dies to go for a harsher punishment in the case. Even when she does eventually die, I think that the death penalty would still be too good for her attacker, but for her immediate family especially her mom, it's one of the few things that they can look forward to. see, this is why the justice system is inherently flawed. Some people (often blacks and other minorities) get sentences that are way too harsh while others guilty of more heinous crimes get off with lighter punishments. I don't think a system so pathetically flawed and discriminatory can determine with 100% accuracy whether someone deserves to die. I also don't think people are impartial enough to make such a determination, given how emotionally charged these crimes often are.
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Post by getclutch on May 20, 2017 23:11:38 GMT
I used to be for it, but it doesn't make much sense to me these days.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 21, 2017 0:37:15 GMT
I don't have nearly enough faith in prosecutors, defense attorneys, or juries to be able to accurately determine who deserves that severe a punishment. Hmm you weren't saying that for rape, were you Skippy.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 21, 2017 0:48:19 GMT
I don't have nearly enough faith in prosecutors, defense attorneys, or juries to be able to accurately determine who deserves that severe a punishment. Hmm you weren't saying that for rape, were you Skippy. I've never advocated for capital punishment for rapists. Stop being so obtuse.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 21, 2017 18:46:17 GMT
Hmm you weren't saying that for rape, were you Skippy. I've never advocated for capital punishment for rapists. Stop being so obtuse. You've argued that rape allegations should automatically be believed irregardless of a police investigation and jury trial.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 22, 2017 14:19:53 GMT
I have to go with against, purely on the basis that justice is not infallible.
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Post by dazed on May 22, 2017 19:24:22 GMT
Theoretically, I believe in it. While saying that, there's simply too many flaws, thus, making me against it.
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Post by bkguy182 on May 23, 2017 16:58:28 GMT
im for it if:
the person confesses/there is 100% proof the person did it. AND if the family of victim asks for it.
personally, i would rather someone rot in prison for the rest of their life than be given the gift of death- but thats just me.
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Post by CookiesNCream on May 24, 2017 2:58:55 GMT
I'm kinda for it only if there's 100% proof against that person (I don't like the idea of innocents being killed by mistake either), the person has committed heinous acts, exposed to be malicious, and/or with granted permission from the family of the victim as bkguy182 puts it. I think those are the kind of people that really don't deserve to live beyond imprisonment.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 5, 2017 19:36:17 GMT
Oh I'm for it in certain extreme circumstances. If you have a Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy type then absolutely I think they'd deserve to die.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 18, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
The death penalty is reserved for the most heinous of crimes, such as murder. Why should a murderer be allowed to live out the rest of their lives in relative comfort, paid for by the public? To continue to house, clothe and feed them for the remainder of their natural life at taxpayer expense makes a mockery of justice. They gave up their right to life when they took the life of another person, and justice can only be served by their lawful execution.No to mention that the death penalty can prevent future murders.
Alt. Sending them to some sort of Gulags
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 18, 2020 16:17:42 GMT
I’m certainly in favor of it for certain crimes but I think the threshold for proof needs to be much higher than it currently is. Also, it shouldn’t take 8+ years to get thru the appeal process before finally going thru with it.
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Post by Pasquale on Oct 18, 2020 16:35:48 GMT
They gave up their right to life when they took the life of another person, and justice can only be served by their lawful execution.No to mention that the death penalty can prevent future murders. I doubt people who kill are afraid of death. Plus, the leaders who send people to war/kill, by your definition deserve the death penalty. Unless you think that the law is above all. Which in this case, it is not possible for one to go against the law. Ever.
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 18, 2020 17:41:46 GMT
Forced works for the rest of their lives. And the hard kind of works.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 18, 2020 18:03:23 GMT
Imo nobody should have the right to take someone's life. The criminals who do, deserve to be punished really hard but not by death.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 18, 2020 18:19:59 GMT
Death penalty should be reserved only for times of war (where sometimes it's really unavoidable to having to kill people for the most egregious offenses and to restore order) and for cases where the State is simply unable to avoid the criminal from committing crimes while in prison or keep said criminal there (Pablo Escobar is probably the best well known example of this).
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 18, 2020 18:44:59 GMT
I'm against abortion so definitive I'm against Death Penalty.-
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 19, 2020 1:25:05 GMT
self-defense is the only justifiable act of killing
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