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Post by Brother Fease on Apr 12, 2023 0:32:44 GMT
I just saw the movie last week, and I thought it was really, really good. It was his most personal, but least sentimental one. Kind of reminded me of Lady Bird and Licorice Pizza -- self-reflection memory film. Michelle Williams was amazing. Loved her mannerisms. She played the role so perfectly and fit the style of a "memory character". I wouldn't have minded her in either lead or supporting - both work for me. Judd Hirsch and David Lynch were amazing in a cameo performance. This was the first TIFF winner without any Oscar wins since 2011. Do you know why this film got blanked? It got off to such a great start -- TIFF winner, NBR Best Director prize, and Globe winner for Drama and Director.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 12, 2023 1:08:34 GMT
There was just no real urgency to reward a movie that's basically the origin story of one of the most successful and popular directors of all time. It lacked an "importance" factor, wasn't exactly a traditional crowdpleaser, and I think people just respected it more than they outright loved it, so there was never a whole lot of passion behind it.
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2023 1:12:30 GMT
A combination of factors, but primarily, the passion around it was coalesced firmly around one aspect of it: Spielberg. He was the focus of the film's narrative, and it's hard to really maintain that level of passion for a person who has already won three Oscars. It didn't help that Williams (who was seen by many as a potential winner in Supporting Actress) went lead, deep-sixing any chance the film had of attaining an above-the-line acting win. No one really seemed that passionate about the screenplay, which is a shame because it's well-written, Spielberg could've also been recognized there, and Kushner's overdue. Spielberg was also not able to really capitalize on his own narrative because even though he won the Globe, he missed BAFTA and guild support was pivoting elsewhere.
Ultimately, as good as The Fabelmans is, it got drowned out by passion from one film in particular, as Everything Everywhere cleaned its clock in pretty much every category it was up for, and All Quiet took the rest. Even if we remove The Daniels' film out of the equation, it's unlikely The Fabelmans wins anything else, as Banshees and TAR likely fill in those gaps.
In short, The Fabelmans had stiff competition and general momentum never really happened for it. Most had it penciled as an early frontrunner that loses steam at the outset, and I feel like when that perspective is bestowed on a contender, they really need to rally to make up for it, and it just wasn't there.
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Post by finniussnrub on Apr 12, 2023 1:44:20 GMT
Because Williams went lead.
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 12, 2023 2:18:34 GMT
Honestly I think it’s the shift in the AMPAS membership. The old members are numerous enough to get him nominated, but the new members are over him and his old school style so his movies don’t win anything anymore.
It also didn’t help that the film was his second major box office bomb in a row.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 12, 2023 9:12:23 GMT
* Because the Oscars are in no way - ever - a barometer of quality - and are kind of boring themselves.....it's sorta like asking why Timmy and not Bucky was the Prom King.......because it was the Prom in East Bumblefnck, USA....who gives a shit? Especially with kids named Timmy and Bucky... * Also, ironically - it's not that good a movie .....  Other reasons: * Peaked too early and unseen......quite ponderous in how it was sold too - borderline offensive, self-congratulatory mushiness about his own legend .......it could be read that way at least......there is no Spielberg movie in my what - top 100? top 250? I have pretty weird taste.......but not that weird that I have to care about his story by default...... if you don't care, you don't care..... * Movies now need to make you feel good rather than be good - about all kinds of nonsense - politically, yourself as a person, inclusivity, opportunity, the stories of PoC - and some such bullshit which act as lessons not movies.......... which is why movies now suck. but I digress...... * Racism .....same reason Adele Haenel doesn't make movies and The Speedways don't sell records......that was a joke.....sorta * Michelle Williams - the only out of the box "great" element of this picture btw - couldn't win - in the category she was in * I have said this for the entire time MAR has existed - and its the truest thing I've ever said - and I say harsh truth almost contantly: The American male, directors of a kind of legendary stature - Spielberg, Scorsese, PTA, Malick, etc. do not often make movies set in the present .......so when a movie comes along set in the present - by comparison - it has a far better chance to catch a cultural zeitgeist with a group like the Academy nowadays - though there is not always one available like there was this year .......and cultural zeitgeist is where we - pathetically - are at in our Prom Voting  |
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Post by ibbi on Apr 12, 2023 10:11:45 GMT
Everything it was ever going to win they gave to that other movie instead. I suppose they could have thrown J Willy a bone, but DUHHHHHHHH NUH NUHHHHHHH
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Post by flasuss on Apr 12, 2023 12:47:54 GMT
Because Williams went lead. That can't be overstated as a reason. Had Williams gone supporting, she would sweep the season. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 12, 2023 14:13:03 GMT
If it reminded you of Lady Bird and Licorice Pizza, then it shouldn't be that much of a shock why it didn't win anything as those films also went home empty-handed.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 12, 2023 20:37:54 GMT
The reason basically comes down to this:  |
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Post by quetee on Apr 12, 2023 21:08:38 GMT
Not a hit.
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Post by filmnoir on Apr 12, 2023 23:05:53 GMT
Because Williams went lead. That can't be overstated as a reason. Had Williams gone supporting, she would sweep the season. Nah, there was a lot of sentiment for EEAAO and Jamie Lee Curtis. The Fablesmans, Tar, Banshees, Elvis all got shut out in the end. |
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Post by flasuss on Apr 13, 2023 2:17:33 GMT
That can't be overstated as a reason. Had Williams gone supporting, she would sweep the season. Nah, there was a lot of sentiment for EEAAO and Jamie Lee Curtis. The Fablesmans, Tar, Banshees, Elvis all got shut out in the end. Nope. Curtis won because there was no other viable contender- Condon, Chau and Tsu not well known, Bassett in a Marvel movie. Williams had absolutely everything going for her; the role, a Spielberg movie, her 5th nomination giving her much more of an overdue narrative than either Curtis or Bassett, the reviews, etc. She would have swept just like Debose last year. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 13, 2023 2:26:45 GMT
Nah, there was a lot of sentiment for EEAAO and Jamie Lee Curtis. The Fablesmans, Tar, Banshees, Elvis all got shut out in the end. Nope. Curtis won because there was no other viable contender- Condon, Chau and Tsu not well known, Bassett in a Marvel movie. Williams had absolutely everything going for her; the role, a Spielberg movie, her 5th nomination giving her much more of an overdue narrative than either Curtis or Bassett, the reviews, etc. She would have swept just like Debose last year. Yeah this. |
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Post by filmnoir on Apr 13, 2023 2:52:16 GMT
Nah, there was a lot of sentiment for EEAAO and Jamie Lee Curtis. The Fablesmans, Tar, Banshees, Elvis all got shut out in the end. Nope. Curtis won because there was no other viable contender- Condon, Chau and Tsu not well known, Bassett in a Marvel movie. Williams had absolutely everything going for her; the role, a Spielberg movie, her 5th nomination giving her much more of an overdue narrative than either Curtis or Bassett, the reviews, etc. She would have swept just like Debose last year. It's all a moot point. Totally irrelevant. |
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