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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 21, 2023 17:01:01 GMT
Pretty brutal takedown on Majors from Salon - recopied below - and "soft Black masculinty" - this goes deep into his "brand" and psychology / persona As Jonathan Majors is convicted for assault, his well-crafted soft Black masculinity sours The actor's acclaimed performance skills and reputation for embracing emotion created a persona we trustedJonathan Majors was shaping up to be one of Hollywood's most sought-after leading men. The Yale-trained actor known for always carrying around an artisanal cup to show "nobody can fill you up, nobody can pour you out. You do that yourself" was primed to take over the industry. His breakout performances in films like the critically lauded "The Last Black Man in San Francisco" and Michael B. Jordan's "Creed III" shot him right into the stratosphere. He was even nominated for an Emmy for his performance in the now-canceled HBO show "Lovecraft Country." Most of all, the star was prepping to become the next mega-villain in Marvel's potential next box office smash, "Avengers: Kang Dynasty" after debuting in "Loki" and being featured in the flop "Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania." Marvel drops Jonathan Majors after actor found guilty of reckless assault and harassment Advertisement: However, things took a detour for Majors when he was arrested earlier this year after police responded to a 911 call from a woman who alleged that Majors had assaulted her. Majors was arrested and charged with four counts of assault against his ex-partner Grace Jabbari. Majors doesn't pretend to be a serious actor — he is. The actor and his legal defense kept the same stance — Majors was innocent. His legal team urged the charges were false and they were "confident that he will be fully exonerated." But that didn't stop his management team, several movies and organizations the actor worked with from dropping him. After a 10-day trial that ended on Monday, Majors was found guilty of reckless assault in the third degree and harassment. Almost immediately, Marvel fired the future face of their franchise. Also, Disney has postponed Majors' new independent film "Mazagine Dreams" originally scheduled for release on Dec. 4 indefinitely. The last few years had been a whirlwind. Majors went from the height of his career to facing up to a year in jail for assaulting his ex-partner (sentencing takes place in early February). It's a huge loss for the actor who had built a reputation on perfecting his craft and defying expectations for his gender – in direct opposition to the image that emerged from the trial. But if reports can be believed, even his carefully crafted image had cracks. Here's a look at the Jonathan Majors that came up in Hollywood, and the clues that may have indicated it would all come crashing down. Jonathan Majors' artistic persona: a man dedicated to his craft Throughout Majors' career, the actor has chosen roles that show his professional training and range. There's the quiet playwright in his breakout "The Last Black Man in San Francisco" or the Korean war veteran navigating a Jim Crow America in "Lovecraft Country," or even the charismatic, ever-transforming multiverse supervillain in the MCU. Majors doesn't pretend to be a serious actor — he is. He is a man of the craft, earning degrees from the University of North Carolina School of the Arts and Yale University. In a profile with Ebony, the actor shared that his acting process is intense: "But if you’ve not done the work, then you just become a lesser father, a lesser actor, a lesser partner. I just become lesser. And the work allows me to start acting; it’s my occupation and my vocation. I take it extremely seriously." It's clear that Majors' craft and process have been crucial to his preparation for his roles, but this extreme dedication may have foreshadowed a dark side as well. Classmates at Yale reportedly had issues with his behavior and process. According to a Rolling Stone exposé, Majors' alleged abusive behavior began in acting class, with several anonymous sources shared experiences they saw of the actor. “His behavior was very problematic for his class,” a Yale alum said. “A lot of people felt in physical danger around him and certainly in mentally precarious positions because of him.” Following an alleged altercation that Majors was involved in during class caused Yale administration to send an email to remind students about "rehearsal etiquette and violence." One of his classmates said that Majors hit him while they were play fighting during rehearsal, and when the student later confronted Majors, he was said to shrug it off. “He can be very charismatic and really gentleman-like and sweet, but then he could also be really cold, scary, and violent . . . He was someone who would use his physicality to intimidate,” the person said. Some sources shared with Rolling Stone that the actor was also aggressive on set during the filming of "Magazine Dreams." Two production members claimed that the actor pushed a person and physically intimidated another while screaming at them, leading to a complaint to producers. Majors' attorney said the actor “vehemently denies Rolling Stone’s false allegations that he physically, verbally, or emotionally abused anyone," including past romantic partners and classmates at Yale. Jonathan Majors' soft Black masculinity The actor's ability to become an overnight powerhouse lies in his ability to play into a different kind of masculinity that we didn't see in many leading men in Hollywood — let alone Black leading men in the industry. Majors once said in an interview that "nothing is a monolith — not Blackness, not maleness, not comic book villains." This version of masculinity can be described as the anti-hypermasculine man. It is a man who rejects traditional gender roles and sexism but also embraces empathy, vulnerability and emotions. But soft masculinity is rarely afforded to Black men and is also challenged in the Black community. Research shows that harmful and inaccurate stereotypes of Black men usually depict images of violence, toxic masculinity and criminality. These stereotypes find their way into discriminatory policies and fuel racial bias and prejudice towards Black men — which is why Major's rise was exciting and compelling. Through his work, especially roles like "Lovecraft Country," he redefined what it was to be a leading Black man in this seemingly post-racial era of Hollywood. This seemingly hopeless romantic who wears his heart and emotions on his sleeve was not the one who was heard in court. Majors even publicly questioned the traditional forms of masculinity people were projecting onto him as he received criticism for a pink-infused Ebony photoshoot some members of Black Twitter had issues with. He said in response: "I'll just be curious. Tell me what masculinity is. I wouldn't want to walk up on me in the street, but it's bigger than— It's love. It's like there's awareness and then there's acknowledgment of ignorance. A big part of it is kindness, use of power, gentleness. These are masculine characteristics. It's quite unmasculine to try to emasculate another man." Not only did Majors embrace a different form of masculinity but also claimed in an interview with The Cut that he “falls in love every day” and would “cry probably a few times a week.” His favorite romantic movies are "The Notebook," "Love Jones," "Blue Valentine" and "Love & Basketball." But this seemingly hopeless romantic who wears his heart and emotions on his sleeve was not the one who was heard in court. While Majors did not testify, a recording was played in which he can be heard berating his partner for going out, telling her regardless of his "temper, my s**t . . . all that said, I am a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I'm in." While Majors was performing his soft masculinity for the public and himself, behind closed doors he was allegedly threatening to kill himself when his partner considered going to the hospital for one of her injuries. This is just one of many incidents where Majors used his emotional state against his former partner. Ultimately, because our understanding of masculinity has changed as people embrace new and quite honestly healthier versions of it, it is pertinent to acknowledge that this progressive new form can also be weaponized by people like Majors. In Majors' case, it was used to hide under true, violent and horrific forms of masculinity and exploit his artistic career and process as a way to aid in covering the violence.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 22, 2023 15:17:30 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 22, 2023 16:57:20 GMT
Over/under on posts before this thread is locked? Apparently pupdurcs had the over These past couple pages have been hilarious. Absolute masterclass from him
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2023 17:12:21 GMT
Over/under on posts before this thread is locked? Apparently pupdurcs had the over These past couple pages have been hilarious. Absolute masterclass from him It takes teamwork to create such chaos
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2023 18:19:16 GMT
Let's clear up the chaos - or as I'd call it "bullshit" - or at least get it on the record in case it gets locked :
* Michael Jackson........Johhny Depp........Gerard Depardieu: Never convicted (yet) in a criminal court of any sexual offenses against a female or an underage boy in Jackson's case
* But Jonathan Majors - convicted on assault AND harrassment
* Don't fall for the intellectually dishonest whataboutism - it's all bad shit, but Majors is criminally guilty bad shit and that's different ....if any thread should be closed for now it's actually the Depardieu / Jackson ones until they go to trial or get dismissed.....there'll be a new Jackson court date in February though....
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2023 18:54:58 GMT
You're defending Jackson now...to give you some cover for still fellating Depardieu. Hilarious. Funny, you used to be completely be convinced that Jackson was a child molester (of Jordy Chandler), despite never being convicted in a criminal court of that offense . Funny what a couple of years difference and intense fanboyism for a Fat Frenchman can do to change one's mind when it comes to the judicial process pacinoyes Mar 24, 2019 20:27:57 GMT pacinoyes said:It's so weird because based on the stuff I've been finding out I'm pretty sure, he you know, molested Chandler and I don't have to concoct evidence or advocate for a non-existent/hypothetical extortion ploy. Wtf.....although Exonerate A Dead Man is a great album title I'll give you that much.....
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2023 19:08:12 GMT
You're defending Jackson now... Oh no, I believe he's a pedophile - I'm just saying there's nothing new until February to say about it
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2023 19:14:01 GMT
Good for you. Now you can stop trying to police other people's views and opinions on these wide variety of vastly differing situations. I'm not waiting till you decide I'm allowed to say something. GTFO. This isn't communism .You're free to state your views and opinions whenever you wish, as are the rest of us.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2023 19:27:04 GMT
Ok, thanks dad ^ New article dissects the case from all angles: www.thecut.com/2023/12/nobody-won-the-jonathan-majors-trial.htmlI wonder what accountability looks like for Jabbari. The day after the verdict came down, she urged people to donate to a local domestic-violence organization that “helped me so much this year.” Even in the relationship’s ugliest moments, Jabbari seemed to believe Majors wanted to change. Unfortunately, this case left little room for that transformation.************* * Michael Jackson........Johhny Depp........Gerard Depardieu: Never convicted (yet) in a criminal court of any sexual offenses against a female or an underage boy in Jackson's case * But Jonathan Majors - convicted on assault AND harrassment * Don't fall for the intellectually dishonest whataboutism - it's all bad shit, but Majors is criminally guilty bad shit and that's different ....if any thread should be closed for now it's actually the Depardieu / Jackson ones until they go to trial or get dismissed.....there'll be a new Jackson court date in February though....
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2023 21:03:16 GMT
Jackson will never be found guilty in a criminal court, because he's not alive to face criminal trial. He (or his estate) can only be found liable for any crimes in a civil suit (like the one upcoming with Wade Robson) . Since this new made-up threshold for EVIL is criminal trial convictions (even if they are only for misdeameanour verdicts as Majors recieved)....what's the point even waiting for that outcome?Depp's being deemed a wife-beater came in the verdict of a civil trial, but now that no longer counts because....reasons Here's someone else who never faced a criminal trial (or even civil trial) and never had a criminal conviction.... Jimmy Savile....one of the most prolific peadophiles in modern British history. This is widely accepted as fact. But according to this bizarre new logic, I'm supposed to be more disgusted and appalled by a guy (Majors) convicted of a misdemeanor of unintentionally hurting the finger of a girl who stole his phone because it was a criminal trial, as opposed to Savile, who never faced a criminal trial in his lifetime, but had sexual abuse victims in the hundreds. Make it make sense. I know we gotta find ways to justify defending our favorites, but this seems a bit much.....
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2023 21:54:00 GMT
Update on Magazine Dreams - like I said earlier - would you watch it or don't care?
Now that Majors’ trial has ended, Magazine Dreams’ status remains in limbo, and in a new report, insider tip sheet “What I’m Hearing” at Puck says Disney is in no hurry to make a decision on whether to ever release the film. The report speculates that Disney could cite a morals clause to avoid paying the film’s financiers the $2 million minimum it promised when Searchlight acquired the movie for distribution.************* * Michael Jackson........Johhny Depp........Gerard Depardieu: Never convicted (yet) in a criminal court of any sexual offenses against a female or an underage boy in Jackson's case * But Jonathan Majors - convicted on assault AND harrassment * Don't fall for the intellectually dishonest whataboutism - it's all bad shit, but Majors is criminally guilty bad shit and that's different ....if any thread should be closed for now it's actually the Depardieu / Jackson ones until they go to trial or get dismissed.....there'll be a new Jackson court date in February though.... screenrant.com/magazine-dreams-jonathan-majors-release-update-guilty-verdict/
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Post by quetee on Dec 22, 2023 22:57:02 GMT
You're defending Jackson now...to give you some cover for still fellating Depardieu. Hilarious. Funny, you used to be completely be convinced that Jackson was a child molester (of Jordy Chandler), despite never being convicted in a criminal court of that offense . Funny what a couple of years difference and intense fanboyism for a Fat Frenchman can do to change one's mind when it comes to the judicial process pacinoyes Mar 24, 2019 20:27:57 GMT pacinoyes said:It's so weird because based on the stuff I've been finding out I'm pretty sure, he you know, molested Chandler and I don't have to concoct evidence or advocate for a non-existent/hypothetical extortion ploy. Wtf.....although Exonerate A Dead Man is a great album title I'll give you that much..... I've always been curious why Jordy never said anything since MJ is dead. I do believe his father is dead too. So why not clear the record unless he doesn't want to deal with insurance company.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2023 23:11:14 GMT
You're defending Jackson now...to give you some cover for still fellating Depardieu. Hilarious. Funny, you used to be completely be convinced that Jackson was a child molester (of Jordy Chandler), despite never being convicted in a criminal court of that offense . Funny what a couple of years difference and intense fanboyism for a Fat Frenchman can do to change one's mind when it comes to the judicial process pacinoyes Mar 24, 2019 20:27:57 GMT pacinoyes said:It's so weird because based on the stuff I've been finding out I'm pretty sure, he you know, molested Chandler and I don't have to concoct evidence or advocate for a non-existent/hypothetical extortion ploy. Wtf.....although Exonerate A Dead Man is a great album title I'll give you that much..... I've always been curious why Jordy never said anything since MJ is dead. I do believe his father is dead too. So why not clear the record unless he doesn't want to deal with insurance company. Probably a stipulation of the settlement that he can never discuss the case (even in the event of Jackson's death), or else the settlement is forfeit. Even if the whole thing was possibly a grift by his dad, he's still living off that money. Saying anything (whether to confirm or deny) is probably not worth losing all that money or having to pay back what he's spent.
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Post by quetee on Dec 22, 2023 23:22:00 GMT
I've always been curious why Jordy never said anything since MJ is dead. I do believe his father is dead too. So why not clear the record unless he doesn't want to deal with insurance company. Probably a stipulation of the settlement that he can never discuss the case (even in the event of Jackson's death), or else the settlement is forfeit. Even if the whole thing was possibly a grift by his dad, he's still living off that money. Saying anything (whether to confirm or deny) is probably not worth losing all that money or having to pay back what he's spent. Probably has to do with being sued by insurance company because they committed fraud. MJ has been dead for 14 years so the flood gates should be open with abuse allegations. The only person suing said he didn't on stand and is now changing his tune. I don't believe him for one second.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 25, 2023 19:34:11 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 25, 2023 19:54:02 GMT
If he replaced Chadwick Boseman, the travesty of Wakanda Forever never would have happened...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 6, 2024 7:13:49 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 8, 2024 14:38:33 GMT
Just an excerpt - whole interview should be floating around somewhere
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 8, 2024 15:05:37 GMT
Just an excerpt - whole interview should be floating around somewhere "She came on top of me, squeezed my face, slapped me..." I've gotta call this woman up, sounds like my type
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 8, 2024 17:19:23 GMT
So Disney fires him from being the face of their next phase of Marvel movies, but provides him an interview on ABC to get his side of the story (and probably gauge public sentiment). I hate it.
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Post by stephen on Jan 8, 2024 17:32:43 GMT
So Disney fires him from being the face of their next phase of Marvel movies, but provides him an interview on ABC to get his side of the story (and probably gauge public sentiment). I hate it. They really are half-measuring the fuck out of this situation, aren't they?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 8, 2024 19:40:40 GMT
1. "That did not happen - that's all I remember" 2. "I wish I knew" 3. You're confident you did not cause (the injuries) ? - "I have no question"
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 8, 2024 20:05:56 GMT
So Disney fires him from being the face of their next phase of Marvel movies, but provides him an interview on ABC to get his side of the story (and probably gauge public sentiment). I hate it. They really are half-measuring the fuck out of this situation, aren't they? One of the grossest things about this is Majors is not so big a name that this was leading news everywhere, so there are going to be segments of the population for whom the first or most extensive exposure they have to this story is his own spin on it.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 8, 2024 20:15:48 GMT
So Disney fires him from being the face of their next phase of Marvel movies, but provides him an interview on ABC to get his side of the story (and probably gauge public sentiment). I hate it. What a company.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 9, 2024 7:38:49 GMT
Full interview clip posted now - really don't think he comes off well here - lots of "acting" tbh - ymmv
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