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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 22, 2023 6:36:14 GMT
The biopic doesn’t seem to be among a lot of people’s favorite genres because it can often be formulaic or a stuffy, dry reenactment of history. While good biopics certainly exist, it feels like it’s hard to make a truly great movie out of one. Lawrence of Arabia and The Passion of Joan of Arc are just a couple examples that are considered canonically “great.” I’m curious what biopics people think are better than just good or passable.
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Post by cherry68 on Mar 22, 2023 7:26:24 GMT
Amadeus I guess...
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 22, 2023 7:47:45 GMT
There are not many but there are sure a lot of good movies with great sequences about great men (usually) with great performances that people pretend are great overall (they're not) - Gandhi, Malcolm X ...........and things like that .....because people think they are noble and on the right side of history or some nonsense..... The better movies are often truncated biopics - that focus on a specific narrow period - Capote is a pretty great movie imo...... 32 Short Films About Glenn Gould ...... Serpico, Lenny, Raging Bull....... Vincent & Theo is not only the best movie about Van Gogh but of a painter also and actually any form of Art or artist regardless of their medium........ My Left Foot is a great movie......for movie nerds there is also Edvard Munch (1974) a unique kind of masterpiece For a recent one I thought Control (2007) was a worthy film about a great artist (Ian Curtis) and it looked like its subject in how it was shot .......a better Rock and Roll movie than 99% of what you'll see.....it has a clear and specific intellectual POV - it feels like a great movie anyway......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 22, 2023 8:46:36 GMT
The better movies are often truncated biopics - that focus on a specific narrow period True, and the way that films more focused on a specific segment of a person’s life instead of their whole life is also similar to the way I think short stories as a medium often lend themselves to film adaptations better than novels...
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Post by MsMovieStar on Mar 22, 2023 8:47:44 GMT
Oh honey, if you've read a few biographies on Frida Kahlo, then you'll appreciate the labour of love that Julie Taymor's Frida (2002) is... it's pretty faithful to the retelling, inventively made with the Brothers Quay's animation and wonderfully reconstructed and fairly accurate to the Kahlo story. It has a great soundtrack as well. In an ideal world, I probably would have had the Mexican singer Lila Downs (who at the time looked uncannily like Kahlo, than Hayek) play Kahlo but then she wouldn't have had the big name draw. I will be forever grateful that Madonna or Jennifer Lopez never got their Kahlo projects made. Another favourite of mine is Philip Kaufman's Henry & June (1990) which depicts writer Anais Nin's meeting Henry Miller & his wife June in an erotic triangle. What struck me about this movie is the tone is pitch perfect - even reading Nin's work you get the feeling of (slightly annoying) narcissistic pretension and I think that is wonderfully captured here - it feels like fiction, which is what Nin's diaries ultimately were. Best of all about it, is the level of attractive richness and research and artistic history that has gone into Kaufman's Paris of the 1930s: mostly inspired by Brassai's photographs; the use of clips from iconic movies of the time: Luis Bunuel's Un Chien Andalou (1929); Dreyer's The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928); Madchen in Uniform (1931); Ekstase (1933); Soundtrack featuring Josephine Baker's songs from the late 20s & 30s, among others, the recreation of Le Monocle, the famous Parisian Lesbian nightclub; The Arts Balls; The Brothels; Nin's house, the clothes, etc. It's a jewel. I feel it fits Nin's work really well. I have also noticed that it is often imitated in documentaries about Anais Nin. I find it really fascinating when written biographies are visualised.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 9:38:24 GMT
Alexander Nevsky Andrei Roublev A Man for All Seasons and of course WALK HARD.
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Post by FallenWarrior on Mar 22, 2023 10:34:31 GMT
Malcolm X
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 22, 2023 12:11:25 GMT
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 22, 2023 12:50:37 GMT
The Social Network
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Post by speeders on Mar 22, 2023 13:31:13 GMT
The Wolf of Wall Street Dog Day Afternoon The Favourite The Social Network Amadeus Raging Bull Schindler's List The Last Emperor. Goodfellas Ed Wood
The first hour of Blonde was there... then it completely shat the bed. I seem to be in an absolute minority but I also low-key loved Don't Worry, He Won't Get Far on Foot. Have not seen Malcolm X or The Elephant Man but they are on the top of my list.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 22, 2023 13:36:13 GMT
This is not only like the perfect answer - it's also a crucial answer unlike any other we'll see probably: The central character - who is very much alive and thriving, is depicted as a villain both in the great opening scene and the great closing scene even though in his life he wasn't someone we associate with villainy at all - merely getting obscenely wealthy - he wins and loses .........and at every point more or less in-between he's depicted in that way........that's usually a death knell for a biopic where central charcaters have to overcome and grow. We forgive it in things like Goodfellas because it's not "really" a biopic - although you could I guess call it that - and because Henry Hill was unknown to us before seeing it........and we fudge "history" in some biopics where it's "unclear" - Judas and The Black Messiah is a great movie imo - but I'm not sure Fred Hampton was as gentle as that movie portrays him to be - like the flawed Malcolm X it mixes things up - between facts, fiction, directorial slant - so as to have a POV ........but The Social Network suggests you can actually do biopics and have that POV and influence the culture in - more or less - the current moment by which particular facts you cherry pick - not in a "dead" way The Social Network gets credit for being "great" and it is - what it doesn't get enough is credit for being "important" - iirc the knock on that movie at the time was something like "why do I need to see a movie about Facebook?" but it actually is persuasive about more than just that ........
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 22, 2023 13:40:10 GMT
Is The Assassination of Jesse James a biopic?
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Post by meowy on Mar 22, 2023 13:57:10 GMT
Amadeus Malcolm X Lawrence of Arabia The Elephant Man Schindler's List
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Post by tep on Mar 22, 2023 15:32:24 GMT
I think Napoleon (1927) is one of the greatest movies ever made
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 22, 2023 16:50:33 GMT
Mr. Turner
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Post by cherry68 on Mar 22, 2023 16:57:39 GMT
Few years ago I made a poll on real life people portrayed by Gary Oldman movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/10726/gary-oldman-biopicsSid Vicious, Sid and Nancy 7 votes Joe Orton, Prick Up your ears 1 vote Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK 4 votes Ludwig Van Beethoven, Immortal beloved 1 vote Winston Churchill, Darkest hour 2 votes ... Count Dracula, Bram Stoker's Dracula 3 votes
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 22, 2023 17:12:11 GMT
One that has not yet been mentioned... Reds (1981).
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Mar 22, 2023 21:22:22 GMT
Paul Schrader's Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters. And the very, very good Auto Focus.
Francesco Rosi could be considered a master of the genre. Finding interesting and inventive ways to deepen his biographical projects with precise studies of the social and political environment.
Salvatore Giuliano Lucky Luciano Christ Stopped at Eboli
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Post by JangoB on Mar 22, 2023 21:44:45 GMT
Among the ones not yet mentioned, I (of course) think that Lincoln achieves a certain kind of biopic genre perfection: 1) it tells a story about a very specific period of its subject's life but manages to vividly explore said subject despite those temporal constraints; 2) it doesn't present its subject in a vaccum but surrounds him with a plethora of colorful and memorable characters which allows for a more varied presentation of said subject (as his values and opinions are often challenged by those around him) and provides a broader scope for the movie itself; 3) it not only doesn't forget but makes it a point to underline how important period and setting are for biopics.
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Post by hilderic on Mar 22, 2023 23:49:04 GMT
The Colour of Pomegranates
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 23, 2023 3:10:27 GMT
BH hasn't been mentioned yet?!?! Everyone's favorite film editing winner...
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Post by avnermoriarti on Mar 23, 2023 6:06:24 GMT
Not mentioned yet:
Van Gogh (1991) Only focusing on his final days, there's a particular care for the effect nature and his condition has on his art, there's moments where no explanation isn't needed but he prefers to paint with bold colors but you can understand why, and Pialat does that great thing to let the camera simply observe the painter alone with his thoughts, the actor Jacques Dutroc is pretty fantastic here,most of what's consuming him remains hidden and yet a sense of intimacy is palpable.
The Confession (1970) is the one I always think of when in bios/historic films reality reaches new levels of absurdity
Rosa Luxemburg (1986) Not sure I think this is all that watchable (looks and sounds as typical bio) but the way utilizes certain elements felt refreshing to me. It's not historically accurate and yet utilizes documentary footage quite often and some times prefers to recreate crucial historic moments, I like to think to give a sense of that moment in time but also to take advantage of time and study the cliches that sometimes are attributed to a figure like Luxemburg and the way we consume both fictional and historical discourses.
Close-Up (1990) which might be at the very top for me but not sure it counts as it's not about a historical figure....
Saint Laurent (2014) Ed Wood (1994) Quiz Show (1994) Before Night Falls (2000) The Motorcycle Diaries (2004) *** not sure if it counts as takes many liberties to make its point (which could led a whole different sub-genre) if not Soderbergh's Che (2008) Bright Star (2009) Foxcatcher (2014) First Man (2018) and movies like Milk and Erin Brokovich are personal favorites within the typical oscar-bait thing
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Post by cherry68 on Mar 23, 2023 8:37:55 GMT
Among the ones not yet mentioned, I (of course) think that Lincoln achieves a certain kind of biopic genre perfection: 1) it tells a story about a very specific period of its subject's life but manages to vividly explore said subject despite those temporal constraints; 2) it doesn't present its subject in a vaccum but surrounds him with a plethora of colorful and memorable characters which allows for a more varied presentation of said subject (as his values and opinions are often challenged by those around him) and provides a broader scope for the movie itself; 3) it not only doesn't forget but makes it a point to underline how important period and setting are for biopics. You mean Lincoln: vampire hunter?
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 23, 2023 9:08:28 GMT
Few years ago I made a poll on real life people portrayed by Gary Oldman movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/10726/gary-oldman-biopicsSid Vicious, Sid and Nancy 7 votes Joe Orton, Prick Up your ears 1 vote Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK 4 votes Ludwig Van Beethoven, Immortal beloved 1 vote Winston Churchill, Darkest hour 2 votes ... Count Dracula, Bram Stoker's Dracula 3 votes Missed that poll, but even though I would have voted Sid and Nancy, I'm sad that Immortal Beloved didn't get more votes... especially since it was beaten by JFK, which I find baffling. His Lee Harvey Oswald is such a nothing role...
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Post by JangoB on Mar 23, 2023 9:55:06 GMT
Among the ones not yet mentioned, I (of course) think that Lincoln achieves a certain kind of biopic genre perfection: 1) it tells a story about a very specific period of its subject's life but manages to vividly explore said subject despite those temporal constraints; 2) it doesn't present its subject in a vaccum but surrounds him with a plethora of colorful and memorable characters which allows for a more varied presentation of said subject (as his values and opinions are often challenged by those around him) and provides a broader scope for the movie itself; 3) it not only doesn't forget but makes it a point to underline how important period and setting are for biopics. You mean Lincoln: vampire hunter? I prefer Abraham Lincoln vs. Zombies
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