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Post by quetee on Mar 15, 2023 19:53:00 GMT
Or the simple explanation is that movies and interest in awards shows has gone down a bit. I can't remember the last Oscar show to have a landmark movie. Like Titanic, or The Godfather, or Star Wars - some of the highest rated Oscars have been during those years. Older adults rarely talk new movies anymore where in 1999 or 2000 I remember older adults being quite involved in releases like Gladiator or Crouching Tiger. Demise of IMDB message boards are a reason too. And I don't see that there is many alternatives for the Oscars either. Brendan Fraser is not a needle mover any way you slice it. And sure, I love looking at pictures of hot women.... but I don't pass on the chance to look at more hot women when the show is on even tho the internet is right there. This Oscars had Top Gun: Maverick and Avatar: The Way of Water as nominees and it didn't really matter. The Oscars are just not a show people are interested in. The entertainment value provided is not there, and the unique draw it had is dissipated. Any specific thing people would want to watch the show for (if ___ won, fashion, etc.) can be found the next morning and you don't need to sit through 3.5 hours to get it. Yeah but it became obvious after a while that those movies were not gonna win so why tune in? My mom watched the Oscars but even she said, I can't believe they're not giving Tom Cruise anything for the movie. She wanted to see Tom Cruise win for Maverick.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 15, 2023 19:56:36 GMT
I think also the mentality that "it's not the golden age of movies" plays in the precipitous ratings drop. There are tons of people who don't listen to anything after the 80s and say that music is dead - and has been for a while now. I just think that similar mentality for music is applicable for movies as well because it's kind of a similar if not the exact same attitude. Grammys ratings have dropped too. Tho there are some serious passion for contemporary musicians at a level I don't see for contemporary movies. This makes me consider: what is filling that cultural void?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 15, 2023 20:01:50 GMT
I think also the mentality that "it's not the golden age of movies" plays in the precipitous ratings drop. There are tons of people who don't listen to anything after the 80s and say that music is dead - and has been for a while now. I just think that similar mentality for music is applicable for movies as well because it's kind of a similar if not the exact same attitude. Grammys ratings have dropped too. Tho there are some serious passion for contemporary musicians at a level I don't see for contemporary movies. This makes me consider: what is filling that cultural void? For younger people, the golden age of the internet. For older people, idk, probably plays a part in the MAGA mentality.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 15, 2023 20:02:50 GMT
There is no suitable alternative for professional sports. If I want to watch football, the premium way to do that is to put on the NFL. If I want to see Brendan Fraser, my best option is probably The Mummy on Hulu. The draw for the Oscars for decades was simple: you get to see a bunch of movie stars. Those stars are all widely available to view whenever you want now, and culture is much more fractured now than it was during the heyday of the Oscars. Or the simple explanation is that movies and interest in awards shows has gone down a bit. I can't remember the last Oscar show to have a landmark movie. Like Titanic, or The Godfather, or Star Wars - some of the highest rated Oscars have been during those years. Older adults rarely talk new movies anymore where in 1999 or 2000 I remember older adults being quite involved in releases like Gladiator or Crouching Tiger. Demise of IMDB message boards are a reason too. And I don't see that there is many alternatives for the Oscars either. Brendan Fraser is not a needle mover any way you slice it. And sure, I love looking at pictures of hot women.... but I don't pass on the chance to look at more hot women when the show is on even tho the internet is right there. Two of the highest grossing movies of all time were just nominated
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 15, 2023 20:06:41 GMT
I think also the mentality that "it's not the golden age of movies" plays in the precipitous ratings drop. There are tons of people who don't listen to anything after the 80s and say that music is dead - and has been for a while now. I just think that similar mentality for music is applicable for movies as well because it's kind of a similar if not the exact same attitude. Grammys ratings have dropped too. Tho there are some serious passion for contemporary musicians at a level I don't see for contemporary movies. This makes me consider: what is filling that cultural void? I dunno. if my mom were watching, she's most certainly clinging onto something from the past, like Leo or Clint (if he was actually there). Or asking me about a newer actress she finds attractive...... "who is she?" That's my mom's extent of conversation. I don't know what's filling the void. But everyone is different. I personally prefer sports and TV more than music and movies nowadays. With the latter 2, I'm reduced to liking/enjoying a very limited selection compared to 20 years ago. And I guess video games. I don't know if some people think that that has declined, but I'm guessing not. It still feels like the dominant medium to the average male.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 15, 2023 20:07:40 GMT
Or the simple explanation is that movies and interest in awards shows has gone down a bit. I can't remember the last Oscar show to have a landmark movie. Like Titanic, or The Godfather, or Star Wars - some of the highest rated Oscars have been during those years. Older adults rarely talk new movies anymore where in 1999 or 2000 I remember older adults being quite involved in releases like Gladiator or Crouching Tiger. Demise of IMDB message boards are a reason too. And I don't see that there is many alternatives for the Oscars either. Brendan Fraser is not a needle mover any way you slice it. And sure, I love looking at pictures of hot women.... but I don't pass on the chance to look at more hot women when the show is on even tho the internet is right there. Two of the highest grossing movies of all time were just nominated Yet ratings are still piss poor, but apparently they're all watching from their computers.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 15, 2023 20:10:01 GMT
Two of the highest grossing movies of all time were just nominated Yet ratings are still piss poor, but apparently they're all watching from their computers. My point is that nominating the most successful or commercially appealing movies still isn’t enough to get people to tune in, especially when there is no option to watch via streaming.
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Post by quetee on Mar 15, 2023 20:10:46 GMT
Or the simple explanation is that movies and interest in awards shows has gone down a bit. I can't remember the last Oscar show to have a landmark movie. Like Titanic, or The Godfather, or Star Wars - some of the highest rated Oscars have been during those years. Older adults rarely talk new movies anymore where in 1999 or 2000 I remember older adults being quite involved in releases like Gladiator or Crouching Tiger. Demise of IMDB message boards are a reason too. And I don't see that there is many alternatives for the Oscars either. Brendan Fraser is not a needle mover any way you slice it. And sure, I love looking at pictures of hot women.... but I don't pass on the chance to look at more hot women when the show is on even tho the internet is right there. Two of the highest grossing movies of all time were just nominated They were not projected to win though. That's the thing.
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Post by quetee on Mar 15, 2023 20:11:51 GMT
I would just move the show to YouTube and have one channel for the entire show and another channel that produces the snippets.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 15, 2023 20:12:56 GMT
Two of the highest grossing movies of all time were just nominated They were not projected to win though. That's the thing. Does the average viewer pay attention to that ahead of time?
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Post by quetee on Mar 15, 2023 20:18:43 GMT
They were not projected to win though. That's the thing. Does the average viewer pay attention to that ahead of time? I think it makes a difference. The season is so drawn out that you get a sense as to which film has frontrunner status. They need to figure out why people no longer want to watch the show. Have they tried just asking people why? I think one of the issues is that it isn't that exciting anymore.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 15, 2023 20:21:22 GMT
Does the average viewer pay attention to that ahead of time? I think it makes a difference. The season is so drawn out that you get a sense as to which film has frontrunner status. They need to figure out why people no longer want to watch the show. Have they tried just asking people why? I think one of the issues is that it isn't that exciting anymore. Frontrunner status can absolutely be sensed. I think even my dad knew that A Beautiful Mind was headed for a mini-sweep despite the fact that to the LOTR fanboys, LOTR was gonna win everything and fuck that Beautiful Mind movie. But to people not interested in LOTR (like parents), they can certainly sense A Beautiful Mind was gonna win a lot of awards, Crowe and Howard headlining. (I know Crowe didn't win, but that wasn't obvious even until the actual show)
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 15, 2023 20:43:41 GMT
This makes me consider: what is filling that cultural void? For younger people, the golden age of the internet. For older people, idk, probably plays a part in the MAGA mentality. But what *is* the internet? Serious question. On a cultural level, what is it in and of itself? The internet allows for likeminded groups to converse (which gives both this board and MAGA mentality a platform to grow), and it allows for transfer of thoughts in general in a way that wasn't viable before. But in the realm of entertainment, I fail to see it as more than a platform. Do people become invested in their favorite TikTok stars or something? Now that people who grew up with video games have kids, that medium has become respectable and has people discussing it and chatting about big game releases. The Elden Ring hype was legendary - using the names of Hidetaka Miyazaki and George R.R. Martin before going radio silent for over a year because the two converging fanbases were doing the marketing work for them. Death Stranding got gaming anticipation pretty high as well. As a player of Final Fantasy XIV, it was funny to see the most recent expansion sell out of digital copies because Square Enix had to buy more servers for the population increase. So I think a case can be made for VGs, although I'm not that in touch with the current gaming culture. (*grumble*One day, I'm gonna get that PS4...*grumble*)
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 15, 2023 20:56:58 GMT
For younger people, the golden age of the internet. For older people, idk, probably plays a part in the MAGA mentality. But what *is* the internet? Serious question. On a cultural level, what is it in and of itself? The internet allows for likeminded groups to converse (which gives both this board and MAGA mentality a platform to grow), and it allows for transfer of thoughts in general in a way that wasn't viable before. But in the realm of entertainment, I fail to see it as more than a platform. Do people become invested in their favorite TikTok stars or something? Now that people who grew up with video games have kids, that medium has become respectable and has people discussing it and chatting about big game releases. The Elden Ring hype was legendary - using the names of Hidetaka Miyazaki and George R.R. Martin before going radio silent for over a year because the two converging fanbases were doing the marketing work for them. Death Stranding got gaming anticipation pretty high as well. As a player of Final Fantasy XIV, it was funny to see the most recent expansion sell out of digital copies because Square Enix had to buy more servers for the population increase. So I think a case can be made for VGs, although I'm not that in touch with the current gaming culture. (*grumble*One day, I'm gonna get that PS4...*grumble*) There are certainly people who become invested in their favorite content creators, be it on TikTok or YouTube. That's how Jake Paul, Andrew Tate, and PewDiePie became things. And even people on more traditional platforms, like Joe Rogan (comedy, UFC commentating) or Lil Nas X (music) have more of an outsized cultural influence due to their use of online platforms. Video games could be another good one for a lot of people. This whole conversation is still speaking to the fracturing of culture, as like a third of all adults don't play video games.
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Post by wonky on Mar 15, 2023 22:14:54 GMT
I also think that we're still in the process of canonizing video games and internet culture, which is kind of exciting. I've been going through They Shoot Pictures' Brief Encounters list and realized "Me at the Zoo" is included. I think there's only going to be more and more of that as people get older and want to pass these things on, trying to piece together the history and create some kind of context for future generations who want to know how we got from there to here.
I also feel like there is something about how the internet made the larger movie and music industries not feel "for the people" anymore. You can create your own entertainment and share it, or just watch and listen to what other people your age are doing, as opposed to the past when you really had to cling to those artists and entertainers who made it out there and spoke to you. Even movies for the masses like Top Gun or Avatar, there's more awareness that we're really just helping Tom Cruise and James Cameron get richer. Whereas you can have parasocial relationships with content creators and feel like they're your friends, you can participate as a fan and you don't even have to pay for it most of the time. And it feels special and personal. People would rather watch 4 hours of somebody they can relate to playing video games than watch a 2 hour movie, especially because you can multitask. It's an entirely different dynamic now.
I think this is also why TV has become way more competitive for people who like good drama, not just because the standard of quality has become basically equal, but the appeal in becoming emotionally invested in watching your favorite characters grow over time has been made even easier through streaming. You can track these stories and revisit episodes, as opposed to having to wait every week when maybe you did or didn't remember what happened three seasons ago, or it wasn't even relevant. TV is like the compromise between literature and film now, you can revisit 50 episodes ago like you can flip back 100 pages.
I've also been really taking note recently that video editing in the last 5-10 years is no longer a special nerdy interest. It's akin to typing as a technological skill now. It doesn't mean that everyone's a journalist but you're not reading the paper going "Wow how'd they type all that out?" If you're younger than a certain age, you understand basic video editing/production and there's even a standard now for things like syncing music and simple visual effects. That's unreal to me. I think it's taken a lot of the technical mystery out of movies for people. Not that I think younger generations won't always be able to simply appreciate a beautifully executed film, but "movie magic" is over, it's fucking dead. I think more people are aware of the illusion than ever.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 15, 2023 22:44:53 GMT
I'm curious: Is board gaming and role playing becoming more popular? I haven't seen any in my social circles, but their online presence seems to have skyrocketed lately.
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 15, 2023 23:19:32 GMT
Does the average viewer pay attention to that ahead of time? I think it makes a difference. The season is so drawn out that you get a sense as to which film has frontrunner status. They need to figure out why people no longer want to watch the show. Have they tried just asking people why? I think one of the issues is that it isn't that exciting anymore. There's way too many precursors now. Back in the day, it was the Globes. No SAG or Critics Choice. And BAFTA used to be after the Oscars. There's also an overkill of the regional critics' awards with most trying to predict the Oscars. Even the Big 3 - NYFC, LAFC, NSFC - have become a lot more mainstream.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 16, 2023 1:56:26 GMT
I think it makes a difference. The season is so drawn out that you get a sense as to which film has frontrunner status. They need to figure out why people no longer want to watch the show. Have they tried just asking people why? I think one of the issues is that it isn't that exciting anymore. There's way too many precursors now. Back in the day, it was the Globes. No SAG or Critics Choice. And BAFTA used to be after the Oscars. There's also an overkill of the regional critics' awards with most trying to predict the Oscars. Even the Big 3 - NYFC, LAFC, NSFC - have become a lot more mainstream. Was going to say with people bringing up Avatar and Top Gun, everyone knew they weren't going to win. The Oscars would be a lot more fun if there weren't any precursors and you were just guessing as to the winners. BAFTAS can go back to being for UK/Irish film and the others can die in a fire.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 16, 2023 5:39:34 GMT
Huh? Did she unlike it? I dont see it in her likes. The last time she liked something was in 2022
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 16, 2023 7:20:26 GMT
Huh? Did she unlike it? I dont see it in her likes. The last time she liked something was in 2022 That's obviously fake.
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Post by Barbie on Mar 16, 2023 21:25:26 GMT
Huh? Did she unlike it? I dont see it in her likes. The last time she liked something was in 2022 That's obviously fake. Figured but that was really good photoshop lol
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 19, 2023 16:27:42 GMT
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Post by Barbie on Mar 20, 2023 11:10:40 GMT
No wonder Korean women are rebelling and refusing to get married and date men in their country
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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 16:04:47 GMT
He died today. P***n's mission is accomplished, pretty much exactly one month before the Russian elections.
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