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Post by chris3 on Feb 1, 2023 22:42:46 GMT
I am absolutely in love with this series! The second and third books have been some of the greatest works of sci/fi-fantasy storytelling I've experienced in any medium. So far every single book has a completely different style and approach. I was a huge Stephen King fan as a kid (his epic IT turned me into a bookworm at age eleven and I must've read at least ten of his novels in my teen years) and IMO this is easily his greatest accomplishment and then some. The Waste Lands is one of my favorite books, hands down. It's kind of hilarious that The Dark Tower, the magnum opus of the most famous author of the modern age, is such a non-entity in the mainstream zeitgeist (although that's most likely because it's never been properly adapted). Just finished the short novel he wrote in 2012 dubbed book "4.5" and even that was a joy to read. I'm currently bingeing the series alongside other King books that tie into the DT multiverse, some of which I've already read (IT, The Stand), some being first time reads (Salem's Lot, Insomnia).
Here's my extended reading list with ratings for the works I've completed (* denotes a short story):
01. 'Salem's Lot 8.5 02. One for the Road* 5.5 03. Jerusalem's Lot* 6.5 04. The Stand 10 05. The Eyes of the Dragon 8 06. The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger 8.5 07. The Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three 10 08. The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands 10 09. The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass 9.5 10. IT 10 11. The Little Sisters of Eluria* 6.5 12. The Wind through the Keyhole: A Dark Tower Novel 9 13. Insomnia 7.5 14. The Dark Tower V: Wolves of the Calla 10 15. The Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah 10 16. Low Men in Yellow Coats* 9 17. Everything's Eventual* 9 18. The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower 10
[December 2022-February 2023]
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 1, 2023 22:45:47 GMT
Ah. You haven't hit book 5 yet.
Well. Um. Good luck with the rest of the series.
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Post by stephen on Feb 2, 2023 1:50:28 GMT
I would've said maybe save The Wind Through the Keyhole till last, because I do think it works best if one reads it after they've completed the first seven books.
I will reserve my feelings on the full series until after you've completed it, but I will say I understand rating Wizard and Glass slightly lower than The Waste Lands, but I expect that rating to grow in retrospect.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 2, 2023 5:49:36 GMT
I would've said maybe save The Wind Through the Keyhole till last, because I do think it works best if one reads it after they've completed the first seven books. I will reserve my feelings on the full series until after you've completed it, but I will say I understand rating Wizard and Glass slightly lower than The Waste Lands, but I expect that rating to grow in retrospect. Yeah I know many, many readers consider Wizard and Glass to be the best book, and I think it definitely demonstrates some of his strongest writing. It's clearly a more sober, mature, and well-crafted novel than the previous entries... but I personally prefer the cocaine-fueled unfiltered batshit insanity of books 2 and 3, where it felt like King was riding some mammoth creative high and operating on pure instinct. Those books felt like snorting pixie sticks laced with ecstasy; one raucous, giddy, manic, hilarious sugar rush. They felt brazenly postmodern, boundlessly imaginative, utterly unhinged, reminding me more of the early works of Terry Gilliam, or even something like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, than they did any traditional western or fantasy narrative. The entire Blaine the Mono section is one of the coolest things I've ever encountered in fiction full stop. Wizard and Glass (the main flashback) felt like a really classical, traditional western romance. It's beautifully written, elegantly-crafted, contains a rousing climax and wallops one hell of a gutpunch at the end. It's wonderful... but not why I love this series so much. I honestly preferred the ultra meta Wizard of Oz bookends to the lauded John Ford western flashback tragedy at its heart. Maybe I'll feel differently on the re-read (and I did ultimately LOVE the fourth book, don't get me wrong; I teared up multiple times), but as of now I think Waste Lands is clearly the best. And while I know many, many readers think the series falls off a cliff at this point, I'm actually really excited to start book five (once I finish Insomnia and Hearts in Atlantis) because I've heard King returns to the bonkers meta weirdness and I cannot wait.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 2, 2023 5:52:52 GMT
Ah. You haven't hit book 5 yet. Well. Um. Good luck with the rest of the series. Haha, well I heard the same thing about the fourth and fifth books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, as well as pretty much every sequel in The Dune Chronicles, and I ended up loving all of those. Hopefully the final Dark Tower books won't disappoint me like they did so many others.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 2, 2023 14:19:11 GMT
Ah. You haven't hit book 5 yet. Well. Um. Good luck with the rest of the series. Haha, well I heard the same thing about the fourth and fifth books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, as well as pretty much every sequel in The Dune Chronicles, and I ended up loving all of those. Hopefully the final Dark Tower books won't disappoint me like they did so many others. Another Feast for Crows fan!!!! A Dance with Dragons is a disaster, but Feast is my favorite book in the series. Loved all the new characters.
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Post by stephen on Feb 2, 2023 16:30:20 GMT
I would've said maybe save The Wind Through the Keyhole till last, because I do think it works best if one reads it after they've completed the first seven books. I will reserve my feelings on the full series until after you've completed it, but I will say I understand rating Wizard and Glass slightly lower than The Waste Lands, but I expect that rating to grow in retrospect. Yeah I know many, many readers consider Wizard and Glass to be the best book, and I think it definitely demonstrates some of his strongest writing. It's clearly a more sober, mature, and well-crafted novel than the previous entries... but I personally prefer the cocaine-fueled unfiltered batshit insanity of books 2 and 3, where it felt like King was riding some mammoth creative high and operating on pure instinct. Those books felt like snorting pixie sticks laced with ecstasy; one raucous, giddy, manic, hilarious sugar rush. They felt brazenly postmodern, boundlessly imaginative, utterly unhinged, reminding me more of the early works of Terry Gilliam, or even something like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, than they did any traditional western or fantasy narrative. The entire Blaine the Mono section is one of the coolest things I've ever encountered in fiction full stop. Wizard and Glass (the main flashback) felt like a really classical, traditional western romance. It's beautifully written, elegantly-crafted, contains a rousing climax and wallops one hell of a gutpunch at the end. It's wonderful... but not why I love this series so much. I honestly preferred the ultra meta Wizard of Oz bookends to the lauded John Ford western flashback tragedy at its heart. Maybe I'll feel differently on the re-read (and I did ultimately LOVE the fourth book, don't get me wrong; I teared up multiple times), but as of now I think Waste Lands is clearly the best. And while I know many, many readers think the series falls off a cliff at this point, I'm actually really excited to start book five (once I finish Insomnia and Hearts in Atlantis) because I've heard King returns to the bonkers meta weirdness and I cannot wait. The Waste Lands is my favourite of the series (and a top three King book overall), but I also think it works best when paired with Wizard and Glass as a full story. I am very interested to see how you feel about the final three books in the series, because they definitely have a different vibe and energy than what came before. I am interested to see you reading the tangential novels on the road to the Tower, and it definitely will inform how you feel about the final books.
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Post by tep on Feb 3, 2023 1:43:55 GMT
Also reading through it currently and loving it! It’s taking over my life  I’m almost done with Woles of the Calla, although I skipped Wind Through the Keyhole. Gonna save most of the extended universe stuff until after I finish the series. I don’t know if that’s the ideal way to experience the story, but I’m so hooked on the main series at this point I can’t stop. I’ll throw out my current ratings / ranking, will update as I go - 1. The Waste Lands - 10. Maybe my favorite book ever? 2. The Drawing of the Three - 103. Wizard and Glass - 104. The Gunslinger - 9100~ pages left in Wolves, right now thinking somewhere around a 9 but we’ll see.
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Post by stephen on Feb 3, 2023 2:14:21 GMT
Also reading through it currently and loving it! It’s taking over my life  I’m almost done with Woles of the Calla, although I skipped Wind Through the Keyhole. Gonna save most of the extended universe stuff until after I finish the series. I don’t know if that’s the ideal way to experience the story, but I’m so hooked on the main series at this point I can’t stop. I’ll throw out my current ratings / ranking, will update as I go - 1. The Waste Lands - 10. Maybe my favorite book ever? 2. The Drawing of the Three - 103. Wizard and Glass - 104. The Gunslinger - 9100~ pages left in Wolves, right now thinking somewhere around a 9 but we’ll see. I would say the way you're doing it is how I would recommend someone's first journey to the Tower to do it. Wind Through the Keyhole is a fantastic book but it should be left till last. It was written specifically by King as a sort of "return to old friends," and stylistically it feels like King finding a lost voice, and that makes it all the sweeter. I have also done it the way Chris did, re-reading the series along with the tangential stuff over the course of a couple of years at university. It was a monumentally rewarding experience, but I do think it's rather daunting for someone on their first attempt at the series to have them immerse themselves so fully. But I have mad respect for anyone who goes that route on their first read-through.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 9, 2023 17:20:02 GMT
Well, Insomnia wasn't as bad as its reputation suggests, but it certainly wasn't great. Loved all the Derry/IT easter eggs and was frankly SHOCKED at how directly it ties into the main DT storyline by the end... yet the novel itself was far from riveting, and the characters felt uncharacteristically weak for King, who's usually such a master in that regard. Still, I'm glad I read it considering the whole Patrick Danville(?) element seems like it's going to be crucial to the final book(s).
I'm currently 1/3 of the way through Wolves of the Calla and all I can say is that (so far) I ABSOLUTELY ADORE IT! A Dark Tower Seven Samurai? Umm, YES PLEASE!
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Post by stephen on Feb 9, 2023 17:52:21 GMT
Well, Insomnia wasn't as bad as its reputation suggests, but it certainly wasn't great. Loved all the Derry/ IT easter eggs and was frankly SHOCKED at how directly it ties into the main DT storyline by the end... yet the novel itself was far from riveting, and the characters felt uncharacteristically weak for King, who's usually such a master in that regard. Still, I'm glad I read it considering the whole Patrick Danville(?) element seems like it's going to be crucial to the final book(s). I'm currently 1/3 of the way through Wolves of the Calla and all I can say is that (so far) I ABSOLUTELY ADORE IT! A Dark Tower Seven Samurai??? Umm, YES PLEASE! Yeah, Insomnia's not a bad book, but it is definitely an unwieldy one, and I find that it edges a bit into King's preachier side of things, which often results in characters being rather thin cardboard-y stand-ins for ideas rather than believable people. There is absolutely a strong kernel of a story buried amid it all, and I really do like Ralph and Lois as characters (Hal Holbrook and Lois Smith were always my mental castings for those characters). I've got a lot to say about Wolves of the Calla but I will wait till you're done with it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 10, 2023 4:02:07 GMT
feels like forever since I read book 2 but I plan to get back into the series this year.
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Post by tep on Feb 10, 2023 13:52:29 GMT
Ok, so I have one more book to go. There definitely was a drop in quality after Wizard and Glass… and another one from Wolves to Susannah, but I’m still really enjoying. Susannah to me almost felt like a prologue to the final book, so I’m very eager to see where this is going. I don’t know what the consensus about King inserting himself into the story is, but I actually really liked it… it just works in this batshit crazy series Also I am very glad I read Salem’s Lot before Wolves of the Calla… My current ranking: 1. The Waste Lands 102. The Drawing of the Three 3. Wizard and Glass (might bump it up a spot) 4. Wolves of the Calla 9.55. The Gunslinger 96. Song of Susannah 8.5
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Post by chris3 on Feb 14, 2023 19:08:19 GMT
Wolves of the Calla had everything I could've ever wanted in a Dark Tower book. King, in one story, manages to 1) bring back all the fascinating and mysterious plot strands and iconography from the beginning of the series (the door! the rose! Calvin Tower! Balazar's goons!) 2) set up the pieces for a mind-bending finale, and 3) spin a gripping standalone western yarn that allows all members of the ka-tet ample room to shine... and then he throws in a perfect 'Salem's Lot sequel into the mix! While I can see how some readers were put off by how unabashedly meta things have become, I for one am ELATED that the series is returning to its bonkers postmodern roots (again, the Wizard of Oz stuff was by far my favorite part of the previous novel). I knew Father Callahan would appear. I had no idea the literal damn book itself would show up, alongside a smorgasbord of Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel Comics iconography! And while King writing himself into his epic might seem insufferable to some, oh my god does it feel perfectly fitting for this series IMO. So while on the whole I'd say this entry might not be as objectively masterful as Wizard and Glass, I'd be lying if I didn't say I found Wolves of the Calla to be the FAR more enjoyable read. It had a little piece of everything I loved from the previous novels, and right now I'd rank it at #2 or #3 (nothing will ever top Waste Lands, I guess). Going to tear through book 6, then pause for Hearts in Atlantis and the short story Everything's Eventual before returning for the finale. I cannot put into words just how much I'm loving this series.
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2023 19:23:30 GMT
Wolves of the Calla had everything I could've ever wanted in a Dark Tower book. King, in one story, manages to 1) bring back all the fascinating and mysterious plot strands and iconography from the beginning of the series (the door! the rose! Calvin Tower! Balazar's goons!) 2) set up the pieces for a mind-bending finale, and 3) spin a gripping standalone western yarn that allows all members of the ka-tet ample room to shine... and then he throws in a perfect 'Salem's Lot sequel into the mix! While I can see how some readers were put off by how unabashedly meta things have become, I for one am ELATED that the series is returning to its bonkers postmodern roots (again, the Wizard of Oz stuff was by far my favorite part of the previous novel). I knew Father Callahan would appear. I had no idea the literal damn book itself would show up, alongside a smorgasbord of Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel Comics iconography! And while King writing himself into his epic might seem insufferable to some, oh my god does it feel perfectly fitting for this series IMO. So while on the whole I'd say this entry might not be as objectively masterful as Wizard and Glass, I'd be lying if I didn't say I found Wolves of the Calla to be the FAR more enjoyable read. It had a little piece of everything I loved from the previous novels, and right now I'd rank it at #2 or #3 (nothing will ever top Waste Lands, I guess). Going to tear through book 6, then pause for Hearts in Atlantis and the short story Everything's Eventual before returning for the finale. I cannot put into words just how much I'm loving this series. Well, I am very glad to know you liked Wolves of the Calla, because it is far and away my least favourite Dark Tower book. I have so, so, so many issues with it, primarily due to the very clear and marked change in authorial voice. It doesn't feel at all like the King who wrote the first four books, and that shift in voice just rubs me raw. And yes, I do hate the meta-ness of the series from this point forward -- it felt like a bridge too far and I feel like it never happens if King doesn't get in than accident. So I consider 5, 6 and large swaths of 7 to be incidental and entirely dependent on King's recovery, rather than a natural progression of the story.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 16, 2023 19:28:29 GMT
stephen Personally I found the real change in writing style to occur with Wizard and Glass. That novel felt like a more restrained, mature, classically literary tale, with gorgeously sophisticated prose to accompany its slower, more romantic/meditative tone. These final books feel like a return to the wilder, more playful approach of books 2 and 3 (with Wolves admittedly adopting the slow-burn structure of Wizard), and I'm all here for it. Song of Susannah absolutely rocked my world. I'm stunned. What begins as a riveting, breakneck-paced spiritual sequel to Drawing of the Three culminates with one of the most brazen, fearless and utterly inspired plot decisions I've ever encountered in a work of fiction. Yes, countless stories have broken the fourth wall throughout the ages, but the way in which King chooses to take readers through the looking glass felt so bold, so fuck-it-all punk rock, so PERFECT for this particular bonkers postmodern epic. I know this is the move that many consider to be the "jump the shark" point in the series, and I can definitely see it being simply a bridge too far for some tastes, but I am personally gob-smacked by how much I adored not just the decision but more importantly its execution, and the book as a whole. The sheer giddy high I experienced tearing through those 400 pages was something I never thought I'd feel again from this series since finishing the Blaine the Mono arc. I thought King was finished breaking the rules, flying high upon a wave of pure artistic intuition, and had settled into the more grounded approach of an older writer. Jesus, was I wrong. This series is an absolute masterpiece.
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Post by tep on Feb 21, 2023 16:52:49 GMT
Well, I’ve finished. While I think it’s still processing the ending and don’t think I can formulate coherent thoughts… I think the last book, and the ending in particular, was fucking amazing. Some very disjointed thoughts - I am still reeling from Oy’s death. I really wanted him to make it. Eddie and Jake dying were sad, but Oy was just too much.
I don’t have a concrete opinion about the ending yet, but after just reading a few theories briefly I know this question is going to keep me up at night. One idea I liked was that the tower was in the need of a new protector / God, and the multiple endless quests Roland goes on are to condition him to be worthy of fulfilling that role… or something like that.
Dandelo is the same species as Pennywise, right? That whole sequence was great at any rate.
What does the ending mean for Susannah and Eddie/Jake Torren? Is that timeline reset? Does the reset apply to every world, or just the world with the tower? So many questions…
I do not like how Walter / the man in black died. Not at all. This is definitely my biggest complaint. Ugh… I wanted one last showdown between him and Roland. It makes him feel so unimportant within the grand scope of the story. I also wish Sheemie had either lived, or more significance was given to his death. My final ranking, for now: 1. The Waste Lands - 102. Wizard and Glass 3. The Dark Tower 4. The Drawing of the Three 5. Wolves of the Calla - 9.56. The Gunslinger - 97. Song of Susannah - 8.5I am sure this series is going to be a big part of my life from now on, on par with Twin Peaks or A Song of Ice and Fire. Definitely going to be rereads in the future. But for now, it’s onto The Wind Through the Keyhole, Hearts in Atlantis, Insomnia, The Talisman, etc. etc.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2023 19:05:53 GMT
To answer some of your questions with my own perspective: Firstly, the line "The body was far smaller than the heart it had held" might be the best line King's ever written. It makes me tear up every time I think about it. And we knew it was coming -- ever since we see that brief flash of an impaled billy-bumbler in the Wizard's Grapefruit. But the inevitability just makes it worse.
Yeah, the general notion is that Roland's endless loop is essentially purgatory and that, eventually, he will make the decision to renounce the Tower in favor of saving Jake, and that will be what gets him to break free of the cycle. The fact that he has the Horn of Eld at the end signifies that whatever he did on this (nineteenth?) loop was a step in the right direction. But I like the idea that every loop will have Roland encounter new friends and not just Eddie/Susannah/Jake/Oy all over again. Endless ka-tets.
King confirmed that Dandelo is the same species as Pennywise (and possibly also the thing in The Outsider as well). It was a nice Easter egg but I didn't love Dandelo. Nor did I really love Mordred, if I'm being honest. Such a colossal waste of a villain, especially after he easily dispatches Flagg.
As for the Susannah ending, I think it was just ka's way of rewarding her with her own slice of heaven/paradise. She renounced the journey and sought happiness, and she found it. Gan, or Ka, or the Tower, rewarded her by giving her Eddie and Jake (and eventually Oy) and a happy ending. This will be what Roland might someday find. His final loop might have him reunite with Susan again.
Yeah, I haaaaaaaated how Flagg was summarily iced to make room for Mordred, who as I said above was a massive disappointment. But then, I never liked how King made Walter and Flagg the same entity. King only retroactively retconned that in his rewrite of The Gunslinger; before that, Walter and Flagg were two distinctly separate entities, and Flagg was supposed to be the Beast that Roland would face on the way to the Tower. But King decided to change that, and it's a change I've never liked.
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Post by tep on Feb 21, 2023 19:24:24 GMT
stephenI really like those interpretations… especially the bit about Susannah. I hadn’t considered that, but it totally makes sense. TBH I completely forgot about the impaled billy-bumbler. But I still wish Oy went through that goddamn door with Susannah! You almost made me tear up at work by rereading that line about Oy’s heart…
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2023 19:32:34 GMT
stephen I really like those interpretations… especially the bit about Susannah. I hadn’t considered that, but it totally makes sense. TBH I completely forgot about the impaled billy-bumbler. But I still wish Oy went through that goddamn door with Susannah! You almost made me tear up at work by rereading that line about Oy’s heart… It really is a killer line, and I had years to reflect on knowing about that image while waiting for the last three books to be released. On a side-note, now that Flanagan is going to be adapting this, I really hope that he deviates from the last three books -- especially the meta-ness of having King actually be a character. I don't think that whole storyline ever happens without the real-world incident, obviously, but I also think it works better in text than it does in any other adaptation, and I would love to see the last three books done in a way that skirts having King in it entirely.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 28, 2023 16:07:33 GMT
Finally completed my first journey on the Path of the Beam and the final book was everything I hoped for and more. I have a few minor criticisms, but overall book seven felt like an emotional rollercoaster of which I'm still recovering. A lot of the final book has been spoiled for me (including the bananas ending-ending) ever since I went online back in '04 to see what the fans were whining about. I thought I was prepared. I was not. The ending-ending is probably one of a DOZEN unconventional plot decisions, some of which feel specifically designed to piss off the tastes of more grounded readers. I cried on at least five separate occasions. There was one moment about halfway through which was so out-of-nowhere, so utterly unexpected and merciless in its execution, that I literally burst out laughing from shock. It took me thirty pages to accept, and only when King's narrator himself confirms it to the reader. Okay so to get my nitpicks out of the way: I personally found Part Four (the Roland/Susanna mini-saga) to be a strange step-down in storytelling from the rest of the novel. It was fine; I LOVED the three Stephen Kings scene as well as the description of endless cold nights slowly driving Susannah mad as the journey goes on (also the IT nod was fun), but it felt more in line with the episodic setpieces in The Gunslinger. I guess this makes sense structurally, since we all know where things conclude, but I was honestly a little perplexed at how flat and uninspired some of those sequences seemed in comparison to the unhinged brilliance I read in the first two-thirds of the book. I was CERTAIN The Dark Tower was going to overtake The Waste Lands by mid-point, but once I read that section I started thinking, "Hmm. Maybe not." But that's okay because Part Five and more importantly the Epilogue/Coda were pitch-perfect.
My second critique relates to Mordred, who I actually really enjoyed as a character (his birth is one of the highlights of the whole series), and I especially loved the irony of his relative irrelevance at the end (the much-heralded spawn of the devil slowly dying from exposure before he can even enter the game, etc). I didn't even mind Mordred killing Flagg. I personally wouldn't have done it, and I can see it being a real annoyance to readers since it commits the cardinal storytelling sin of icing your main Big Bad in a shallow attempt to prop up your NEW Big Bad, but it didn't irk me. No, my issue with Mordred is that his function in the story becomes quite repetitive. He's introduced very early on and then spends the rest of the book following their trail, eating the people they encounter... and nothing else. I think King should've added a mid-book encounter between Mordred and Roland, or maybe another member of the ka-tet. Either Mordred attacks the group earlier on, or better yet Roland goes out into the desert to palaver with him. That would've totally fixed my issues with his arc.
And now for the good stuff, which is pretty much the entire rest of the book: The first half feels like a mile-a-minute rollercoaster ride jam-packed with exhilarating action and euphoric triumph. The entire Algul Siento subplot is one of my favorite stretches of the series... and then shit hits the fan and things are never the same again. I knew Eddie was going to die (I still sobbed). I had NO IDEA ABOUT JAKE!!! I swear, that shock death was more disarming than all the twists, all the weddings, trials by combat, and Night Watch stabbings of A Song and Ice and Fire combined. I literally burst out laughing; I simply couldn't process the BALLS of using his original Christ-sacrifice substitute (Jake Chambers, J.C.) to save his own life in the real world. It's so recklessly brilliant I couldn't believe it. That choice (along with all the other uber-meta moments in the last two books) is probably my favorite part of The Dark Tower story as a whole. This whole series to me is a celebration of the art of storytelling and unbridled creativity in general. I think literalizing those subtextual themes into the main plot is downright genius, and it allows Roland's quest to breach the constrictions of fiction and exist within the reader's very reality. It's so achingly beautiful and inspiring.
And finally, I absolutely loved how King hammers home the selfishness inherent in Roland's quest. Everything the ka-tet needed to accomplish they succeeded in halfway through via the attack on Algul Siento. Their whole purpose was to save the Beam, they succeed like badasses, and then fucking Roland STILL refuses to end his quest for the Tower, knowing full well it could put all of existence at risk. And because of that, he (and the reader) must pay the price. The last third of the book felt like a funeral procession, and it was so disheartening but so PERFECT that King should decide to compose the last stretch of his magnum opus in the key of tragedy. I cried SO HARD for Oy. I absolutely lost it when Roland thinks, "I only kill my family." I even cried when Roland begs Susannah to stay. My interpretation of the ending is not that Roland should choose to renounce the Tower in order to save Jake (since in doing so he would allow the Breakers to continue their evil work on the Beams). No, in my eyes Roland should have quit after liberating Algul Siento, saving the lazy writer's life, and ensuring the success of the Tet Corporation. Ka grants the tet another life together as a reward for their struggle, and Roland should've gone with Susannah through the door. If he did, he could've lived a happy life with his true family. And instead, he's cursed to repeat his vain quest over and over again until he learns his lesson, which he never will. I mean, it couldn't be more perfect. Reading this series (alongside the tie-in multiverse books, which added IMMEASURABLE pleasure to the experience) has been the greatest fictional adventure I've ever gone on. I never thought I could love a series in any medium as much as I love Twin Peaks, but this is the fantasy saga I never knew I needed in my life. I'm officially a Tower Junkie. Can't wait to go back for another spin on the wheel of ka. Rankings on a first read: 1. The Waste Lands2. The Dark Tower3. Song of Susannah4. The Drawing of the Three5. Wolves of the Calla6. Wizard and Glass7. The Wind through the Keyhole8. The Gunslinger
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Post by stephen on Feb 28, 2023 18:15:12 GMT
I really am glad that you felt like the last novel stuck the landing. I could talk for days about this series, and I know King has said that he does feel he has a couple more Mid-World stories in him. He has mentioned wanting to revisit Jericho Hill, for instance.
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Post by chris3 on Mar 22, 2023 19:36:55 GMT
My Dark Tower obsession shows no signs of abating, and so I've decided to make 2023 one giant Stephen King reading binge. Bought a crazy number of paperbacks that I've been tearing through and figured I'd post my ratings as I go. I've previously read Misery, The Long Walk, 11/22/63, and The Shining; the rest are first time reads. I'm currently halfway through Desperation and this book is underrated as hell!! Can't believe it was never turned into a Hollywood movie. It's been nonstop relentless tension. I love it!
01. Revival 8 02. Misery 10 03. Desperation 8.5 04. The Long Walk 10 05. The Regulators 10 06. The Shining 8.5 07. Doctor Sleep 8.5 08. Gerald's Game 10 10. 11/22/63 9.5 11. The Dead Zone 9 12. Different Seasons 10 13. The Mist* 7 14. The Talisman 10 15. Rose Madder 9 16. Black House 9 17. Hearts in Atlantis 10 18. The Dark Tower series re-read 10
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Post by stephen on Mar 22, 2023 20:06:22 GMT
My Dark Tower obsession shows no signs of abating, and so I've decided to make 2023 one giant Stephen King reading binge. Bought a crazy number of paperbacks that I've been tearing through and figured I'd post my ratings as I go. I've previously read Misery, The Long Walk, 11/22/63, and The Shining; the rest are first time reads. I'm currently halfway through Desperation and this book is underrated as hell!! Can't believe it was never turned into a Hollywood movie. It's been nonstop relentless tension. I love it! 01. Revival 802. Misery 1003. Desperation04. The Long Walk05. The Regulators06. Gerald's Game07. The Shining08. Doctor Sleep09. Duma Key10. 11/22/6311. The Mist*12. The Talisman13. Black House14. The Dark Tower series re-read Desperation is rad as hell, but I'm one of the few who actually prefers The Regulators. That, to me, is the closest we'll get to Tarantino/Peckinpah in literary form (which makes sense for the latter, as it originally was going to be a screenplay filmed by Peckinpah but he died before they went into production), and if Tarantino wanted to ever take a stab at adapting something again, that would be my pick for him. Revival has a fantastic, harrowing ending (one of his best since Pet Sematary), but I do think it is a bit baggy in the middle. It could've been a lean, mean, brutal novella.
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Post by chris3 on Mar 22, 2023 21:42:34 GMT
Desperation is rad as hell, but I'm one of the few who actually prefers The Regulators. That, to me, is the closest we'll get to Tarantino/Peckinpah in literary form (which makes sense for the latter, as it originally was going to be a screenplay filmed by Peckinpah but he died before they went into production), and if Tarantino wanted to ever take a stab at adapting something again, that would be my pick for him. Revival has a fantastic, harrowing ending (one of his best since Pet Sematary), but I do think it is a bit baggy in the middle. It could've been a lean, mean, brutal novella. Totally agreed on Revival. The ending was terrific and I mostly enjoyed the ambling, shaggy dog approach to the narrative, but overall the story ultimately seemed far more suited to a novella or short story. Still a fun read. Damn, now I'm absolutely PSYCHED for The Regulators! Despite being written years prior to his emergence, The Drawing of the Three gave me MAJOR Tarantino vibes and it was utterly euphoric.
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